I've already paid for every hardback book from 5E. I've already paid for every 5E product from Fantasy Grounds (and now others get to pay even less than I did). Now you expect me to pay for it all yet again with no recognition or appreciation for the support I've given you for?
That lack of appreciation or consideration and your dismissive "No." response to FAQs 12 and 13 have convinced me to stop spending money at all on 5E, in any form. Good luck with your revenue streams.
There's no need for the passive aggressive comments.
No one is 'expecting' anyone to do anything. If you don't want to use this product then you certainly don't have to. If you've already purchased all those products then you may not need another system to help you run a game.
This has been discussed quite a lot on all these forums. All these tools you discuss are created and provided by different companies / people. You've paid other people for the products they have created.
If you don't think this one is for you and you don't feel comfortable paying DnDB for their work, then don't. Continue using the tools you've already got.
I've already paid for every hardback book from 5E. I've already paid for every 5E product from Fantasy Grounds (and now others get to pay even less than I did). Now you expect me to pay for it all yet again with no recognition or appreciation for the support I've given you for?
That lack of appreciation or consideration and your dismissive "No." response to FAQs 12 and 13 have convinced me to stop spending money at all on 5E, in any form. Good luck with your revenue streams.
This isn't WotC, it's a different company (Curse). It's also a separate company than the one from which you bought your Fantasy Grounds copies. You have never given this company any money for D&D 5e. If you want Curse's product, you have to pay Curse for it.
I've already paid for every hardback book from 5E. I've already paid for every 5E product from Fantasy Grounds (and now others get to pay even less than I did). Now you expect me to pay for it all yet again with no recognition or appreciation for the support I've given you for?
That lack of appreciation or consideration and your dismissive "No." response to FAQs 12 and 13 have convinced me to stop spending money at all on 5E, in any form. Good luck with your revenue streams.
There's no need for the passive aggressive comments.
No one is 'expecting' anyone to do anything. If you don't want to use this product then you certainly don't have to. If you've already purchased all those products then you may not need another system to help you run a game.
This has been discussed quite a lot on all these forums. All these tools you discuss are created and provided by different companies / people. You've paid other people for the products they have created.
If you don't think this one is for you and you don't feel comfortable paying DnDB for their work, then don't. Continue using the tools you've already got.
First, it's not passive aggressive. It's outright aggressive. There's nothing passive about it.
Second, I've always hated that argument; "oh well if you don't like it no one's making you use it." No. We know that. Stop being flippant.
The issue is that many people had different expectations of what the pricing would look like. I personally assumed, based on information I had read, that the pricing would simply be a subscription model on a monthly basis, like Netflix or Hulu. I HATE the model that roll20 uses, and now that I know that DnDB uses it, I hate this one too. It's a pricing model that is insulting to people who already own physical books (because who the hell knew that three years later there would be an online tool?) and cost-prohibitive to people who can't use their D&D group to crowdfund the additional books.
So not only are they making money via subscriptions, they're also making money off the books, some of which probably goes to WotC for the licensing fee. As I said in my previous post, I'd gladly pay a monthly fee if I didn't have to re-purchase every single other book. It's not what I expected and is so far from what I expected that I doubt I'll use this site for anything other than the forums, which will probably be locked behind a paywall at some point when Curse or Twitch decides they aren't making enough money.
And I'll make sure to keep my adblock up to date as well.
I also just realized that even if you pay the $280 for all of the books, you still have to pay a monthly subscription fee to remove ads. Now that's some greedy shit.
I also just realized that even if you pay the $280 for all of the books, you still have to pay a monthly subscription fee to remove ads. Now that's some greedy shit.
Ads will not show on the compendium pages for purchased content - they will remain ad free. BadEye confirmed this:
No ads will be displayed on compendium pages for purchased content, even for free accounts.
We understand that the pricing may not suit everyone - and whilst people are free to vent and also discuss the pricing, please ensure all posts are within site guidelines.
I also just realized that even if you pay the $280 for all of the books, you still have to pay a monthly subscription fee to remove ads. Now that's some greedy shit.
Ads will not show on the compendium pages for purchased content - they will remain ad free. BadEye confirmed this:
No ads will be displayed on compendium pages for purchased content, even for free accounts.
We understand that the pricing may not suit everyone - and whilst people are free to vent and also discuss the pricing, please ensure all posts are within site guidelines.
That's good. That should probably be added to the FAQ or the main post.
I have a question - this is just a Q, don't hate or burn me guys.
I am a HUGE DnD fan. I have ALL source books, and three adventures i physical copy. And that is my question: I guess that, since I have proper physical books, I will have to buy them digitally one more time?
If the answer is "yes", than my second Q is "are you a part of WoC?" Cause if both answers are yes, then it is a real shame how money hungry the company got :/ :(
Again, this is just a question, I'm not saying it is not worth the money or anything, so please don't spill hate on me :D :)
EDIT: NVM - I found my answer xD And i AGREE with Mr. Heckoff. You are greedy :(
I also just realized that even if you pay the $280 for all of the books, you still have to pay a monthly subscription fee to remove ads. Now that's some greedy shit.
Ads will not show on the compendium pages for purchased content - they will remain ad free. BadEye confirmed this:
No ads will be displayed on compendium pages for purchased content, even for free accounts.
We understand that the pricing may not suit everyone - and whilst people are free to vent and also discuss the pricing, please ensure all posts are within site guidelines.
That's good. That should probably be added to the FAQ or the main post.
The information on the ads not showing on purchased compendium pages dropped while I was asleep - I'll get that added to the FAQ now. Thank you for pointing it out. :)
I have a question - this is just a Q, don't hate or burn me guys.
I am a HUGE DnD fan. I have ALL source books, and three adventures i physical copy. And that is my question: I guess that, since I have proper physical books, I will have to buy them digitally one more time?
If the answer is "yes", than my second Q is "are you a part of WoC?" Cause if both answers are yes, then it is a real shame how money hungry the company got :/ :(
Again, this is just a question, I'm not saying it is not worth the money or anything, so please don't spill hate on me :D :)
EDIT: NVM - I found my answer xD And i AGREE with Mr. Heckoff. You are greedy :(
I'm sorry you feel that way.
Curse is an entirely separate company to WotC and has a licensing deal with WotC. There are also many pages of discussion about the commercials behind such an arrangement and why it's not viable to offer discount for already purchased physical books (or purchase on Roll20/FantasyGrounds).
The Curse team have gone to extraordinary lengths to bring the cost down as low as they can, to make is accessible for people.
Curse is an entirely separate company to WotC and has a licensing deal with WotC. There are also many pages of discussion about the commercials behind such an arrangement and why it's not viable to offer discount for already purchased physical books (or purchase on Roll20/FantasyGrounds).
The Curse team have gone to extraordinary lengths to bring the cost down as low as they can, to make is accessible for people.
I haven't seen anything on the licensing deal, but I assume it's expensive. Curse has already sunk a ton of money on development and the fee thus far, and needs to make the money back while also paying for the fee each month (or however it's done). I'm sure most people understand that. However, the pricing has come as a surprise for a lot of people, many of whom assumed it would be subscription only. $300 for books we already own? 3/month to remove ads and remove an arbitrary (to us) limit on created characters? I'd be willing to pay between $10 and $15 a month for all-inclusive access to this service/tool, but as it is now I won't be spending any money on D&DB.
Wait a minute. I think I just heard a record scratch. Are you saying that if we buy the online Players Hand Book for 29.99 (after the 19.99 sale) that only puts the PHB in the compendium to read, but we still must pay more money to use any of the digital assets in the PHB? So if I buy the online book I also have to buy the races and spells separately to use them in the character builder? Buying the online book doesn't unlock the online content to use in the character builder? Good luck with that.
Paying for the book online should unlock the online assets for use in the character builder.
Wait a minute. I think I just heard a record scratch. Are you saying that if we buy the online Players Hand Book for 29.99 (after the 19.99 sale) that only puts the PHB in the compendium to read, but we still must pay more money to use any of the digital assets in the PHB? So if I buy the online book I also have to buy the races and spells separately to use them in the character builder? Buying the online book doesn't unlock the online content to use in the character builder? Good luck with that.
Paying for the book online should unlock the online assets for use in the character builder.
If you buy the PHB for 29.99 (19.99 in the first week) you will unlock the material for the toolset as well.
To clarify - some people have said that they don't want the character builder and other tools - they just want the equivalent of an online PDF.
For these people, they can purchase the Player's Handbook Compendium, which is cheaper than buying the full Player's Handbook.
If they change their mind at a later date, they can just pay the difference and upgrade to the full Player's Handbook.
I'm aware that the pricing model has a lot of options and, with today's internet, that's usually a sign that someone is trying to con you out of money. This isn't the case though - all those options are there so that the D&D community can get what they want at the cheapest price possible, without having to purchase things they don't want.
To clarify - some people have said that they don't want the character builder and other tools - they just want the equivalent of an online PDF.
For these people, they can purchase the Player's Handbook Compendium, which is cheaper than buying the full Player's Handbook.
If they change their mind at a later date, they can just pay the difference and upgrade to the full Player's Handbook.
I'm aware that the pricing model has a lot of options and, with today's internet, that's usually a sign that someone is trying to con you out of money. This isn't the case though - all those options are there so that the D&D community can get what they want at the cheapest price possible, without having to purchase things they don't want.
After reading several other threads on reddit and Giantitp, I suggest making it very clear that you do get offline access to the books you buy. Right now I think it's buried on the second page of the FAQ, and I didn't even know there was a second page to the FAQ until a few minutes ago.
Curse is an entirely separate company to WotC and has a licensing deal with WotC. There are also many pages of discussion about the commercials behind such an arrangement and why it's not viable to offer discount for already purchased physical books (or purchase on Roll20/FantasyGrounds).
The Curse team have gone to extraordinary lengths to bring the cost down as low as they can, to make is accessible for people.
I haven't seen anything on the licensing deal, but I assume it's expensive. Curse has already sunk a ton of money on development and the fee thus far, and needs to make the money back while also paying for the fee each month (or however it's done). I'm sure most people understand that. However, the pricing has come as a surprise for a lot of people, many of whom assumed it would be subscription only. $300 for books we already own? 3/month to remove ads and remove an arbitrary (to us) limit on created characters? I'd be willing to pay between $10 and $15 a month for all-inclusive access to this service/tool, but as it is now I won't be spending any money on D&DB.
Here's why I don't want a subscription:
I don't want or need all the content available, especially all at once at launch.
Sooner or later a subscription will be more expensive than single purchases (this is true even if the first point doesn't apply).
As soon as you stop paying a subscription you lose access to your content.
I get some people are willing to pay more for a subscription than a high up-front cost, but many other people feel the opposite.
Wait a minute. I think I just heard a record scratch. Are you saying that if we buy the online Players Hand Book for 29.99 (after the 19.99 sale) that only puts the PHB in the compendium to read, but we still must pay more money to use any of the digital assets in the PHB? So if I buy the online book I also have to buy the races and spells separately to use them in the character builder? Buying the online book doesn't unlock the online content to use in the character builder? Good luck with that.
Paying for the book online should unlock the online assets for use in the character builder.
No, you're mistaken. If you buy the full PHB (or any book) It is unlocked everywhere in the tool set. There is an option to buy a compendium-only version of the book that's slightly less expensive ($20, compared to the regular price $30 for the PHB), but paying full price for the book unlocks it everywhere.
If I buy a full class for $3.99, do I get all the subclasses that are released for that class, or does it depend on the source? For example, if I bought the Cleric class on the 15th, would I get the subclasses from the PHB plus the Death Domain from the DMG plus whatever is released for the Cleric as part of Xanathar's?
The classes without the subclasses are free. They are part of the SRD. So, in a sense, you only buy subclasses with the bundles.
So then, what do you actually get when you buy a full class for $3.99? Is that supposed to mean that each subclass is $3.99? Or does that price only apply to new, non PHB classes like the artificer?
I will ask clarification.
By "class" bundle for 3.99, it is intended a single class with the subclasses from the PHB.
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First, it's not passive aggressive. It's outright aggressive. There's nothing passive about it.
Second, I've always hated that argument; "oh well if you don't like it no one's making you use it." No. We know that. Stop being flippant.
The issue is that many people had different expectations of what the pricing would look like. I personally assumed, based on information I had read, that the pricing would simply be a subscription model on a monthly basis, like Netflix or Hulu. I HATE the model that roll20 uses, and now that I know that DnDB uses it, I hate this one too. It's a pricing model that is insulting to people who already own physical books (because who the hell knew that three years later there would be an online tool?) and cost-prohibitive to people who can't use their D&D group to crowdfund the additional books.
So not only are they making money via subscriptions, they're also making money off the books, some of which probably goes to WotC for the licensing fee. As I said in my previous post, I'd gladly pay a monthly fee if I didn't have to re-purchase every single other book. It's not what I expected and is so far from what I expected that I doubt I'll use this site for anything other than the forums, which will probably be locked behind a paywall at some point when Curse or Twitch decides they aren't making enough money.
And I'll make sure to keep my adblock up to date as well.
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I also just realized that even if you pay the $280 for all of the books, you still have to pay a monthly subscription fee to remove ads. Now that's some greedy shit.
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Heya,
I'm a little confused on the 'compendium' bundles.
What do these contain exactly, and how do they differ from just buying the 'source' book.
Lets use the PHB for an example?
Hi Mavalanche,
I added that to the FAQ last night, just here.
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To clarify - some people have said that they don't want the character builder and other tools - they just want the equivalent of an online PDF.
For these people, they can purchase the Player's Handbook Compendium, which is cheaper than buying the full Player's Handbook.
If they change their mind at a later date, they can just pay the difference and upgrade to the full Player's Handbook.
I'm aware that the pricing model has a lot of options and, with today's internet, that's usually a sign that someone is trying to con you out of money. This isn't the case though - all those options are there so that the D&D community can get what they want at the cheapest price possible, without having to purchase things they don't want.
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Mrfluckoff
No, you're mistaken. If you buy the full PHB (or any book) It is unlocked everywhere in the tool set. There is an option to buy a compendium-only version of the book that's slightly less expensive ($20, compared to the regular price $30 for the PHB), but paying full price for the book unlocks it everywhere.