That is assuming you're going to be getting a 16 or higher CON. If not war caster wins. After running simulations in a spreadsheet, I found that advantage has an average of 13.33 and disadvantage about 6.67. So even at 16 CON, war caster is about even if not slightly ahead of resilient.
Total Con doesn't matter. If you use Resilient's +1 CON to go from an odd to an even score, you have a net +1 to your CON save. +3 proficiency at level 5 gives a net +4, which means you surpass the average 3.3 from Warcaster at a pretty low level.
As for secondary benefits, all benefits from Resilient transfer to wild shape except for +1 CON. War caster loses most benefits when in wild shape.
I get the desire to be a nature wielding melee concept, I think you'd be a lot better off as a Nature Cleric. Full disclosure, I'm a cleric fanboy because it's so easy to take advantage of the action economy.
I don't know why I was forgetting about proficiency. You're right. That would make it better by that point. I'd say between the two feats, resilient is better for pure spellcasters and war caster is better for melee casters. Would you agree?
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I don't know why I was forgetting about proficiency. You're right. That would make it better by that point. I'd say between the two feats, resilient is better for pure spellcasters and war caster is better for melee casters. Would you agree?
you still retain all your benifits of war caster but just can cast spells until level 18 "or check my Druid revised for level 6 casting wink wink nudge nudge" . war caster would be helpful for stone skin or bark skin or polymorph
you still retain all your benifits of war caster but just can cast spells until level 18 "or check my Druid revised for level 6 casting wink wink nudge nudge" . war caster would be helpful for stone skin or bark skin or polymorph
I agree that Warcaster helps with the spells mentioned above. However, advantage is only 1/3 of the value.
You can't cast spells until 18 in wild shape, so not needing somatic components and being able to cast while holding weapons is useless for 90% of the PC's career. Therefore you lose 2/3 of the benefit from Warcaster until 18 (while in wild shape). If you're not wild shaped, you have too many stellar support options to be spending time in melee as a Druid.
Dragonborn moon druid. I dont really want to optimize for the sake of optimization I just want to be not hindered at what she tries to do. if it was only a story driven choice. I would choose Resilient Con because Damn she had it rough in the past while. she has 14 con so the +1 wouldn't be good especially that there is no odd states left to pump. my map is 4 ApI, 8 Feet, 12 API, 16 Feet, 19 API. and she is approaching level 7 now. and I am planing to use Polymorph on her alot. so I am not sure if polymorphed I would have access to Proficiency at concentration check but I think I would have access to the advantage from the feet. but here is all the things I want.
Polymorph literally turns you into the creature, so you operate off that stat block until you hit 0 hp. You do not benefit from either feat or your proficiencies. Your concentration check is made at the creature's save value. When wildshaped, you do retain feats and proficiencies. Because of this, my Moon Druid went with Resilient and cast Polymorph on other players.
Quick off topic on Polymorph. Polymorph is best used on someone else, ideally a party member who is one hit from 0 or is about to go meatshield or lockdown the BBEG. For a level 4 slot, you can give someone more HP than 95% of cleric options and there are no dice go roll. Especially nice if your party has only 1-2 frontline/tankish PCs. Eventually the DM is going to challenge you with something that makes them dead or useless. Also, you will get serious party cred for being a team player with such a high-profile support move.
when polymorphed you still get access to the war caster feet advantage... the only feet you will gain access to. because its you The caster is concentrating on a spell. that's the condition and its met. thats my ruling because you are the one concentrating.
because of some personal story reasons she wont cast such a spell on anybody else.
RAW The specific (spell) trumps the general (feat). When polymorphed, only personality and alignment are retained. No feats.
You and your DM can rule differently, but keep in mind you set a precedent for anyone else to use feats while polymorphed. Immediate problem is anyone else using feats and polymorph immediately surpasses the strength of your wild shape.
I think this is a case where it is helpful to look at a similar game element and draw information from the differences. Namely, compare polymorph to the druid wildshape feature - one bullet point in particular, "You retain the benefit of any features from your class, race, or other source and can use them if the new form is physically capable of doing so."
So while it is clear that wildshape doesn't prevent a druid with warcaster from benefitting (they'd roll Constitution saving throws to maintain concentration on a spell with advantage, but with the Constitution score of their assumed form), that text - the text which addresses feats as being potentially still beneficial - is absent from polymorph. That means that is clear that no similar protection of feat benefits is intended by the written text.
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I don't know why I was forgetting about proficiency. You're right. That would make it better by that point. I'd say between the two feats, resilient is better for pure spellcasters and war caster is better for melee casters. Would you agree?
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you still retain all your benifits of war caster but just can cast spells until level 18 "or check my Druid revised for level 6 casting wink wink nudge nudge" .
war caster would be helpful for stone skin or bark skin or polymorph
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damn now I dont know which to chose again .... I mean if a spell have only S and V I cant use my shield and staff at the same time. geeee
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Dragonborn moon druid.
I dont really want to optimize for the sake of optimization I just want to be not hindered at what she tries to do.
if it was only a story driven choice. I would choose Resilient Con because Damn she had it rough in the past while. she has 14 con so the +1 wouldn't be good especially that there is no odd states left to pump. my map is 4 ApI, 8 Feet, 12 API, 16 Feet, 19 API. and she is approaching level 7 now.
and I am planing to use Polymorph on her alot. so I am not sure if polymorphed I would have access to Proficiency at concentration check but I think I would have access to the advantage from the feet.
but here is all the things I want.
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Homebrewer of: Halwasa`s Mushrooms of fluid movement (Item), Giraffe (Beast), Displacer Panther (Beast) (heavily modified Displacer Beast that is owned by WoC), Lightning whip (2nd-level Spell), Lesser Shapechange (5th-level Spell), Investiture of Lightning (6th-level Spell), Touched by the magic (Feat).
Polymorph literally turns you into the creature, so you operate off that stat block until you hit 0 hp. You do not benefit from either feat or your proficiencies. Your concentration check is made at the creature's save value. When wildshaped, you do retain feats and proficiencies. Because of this, my Moon Druid went with Resilient and cast Polymorph on other players.
Quick off topic on Polymorph. Polymorph is best used on someone else, ideally a party member who is one hit from 0 or is about to go meatshield or lockdown the BBEG. For a level 4 slot, you can give someone more HP than 95% of cleric options and there are no dice go roll. Especially nice if your party has only 1-2 frontline/tankish PCs. Eventually the DM is going to challenge you with something that makes them dead or useless. Also, you will get serious party cred for being a team player with such a high-profile support move.
when polymorphed you still get access to the war caster feet advantage... the only feet you will gain access to. because its you The caster is concentrating on a spell. that's the condition and its met. thats my ruling because you are the one concentrating.
because of some personal story reasons she wont cast such a spell on anybody else.
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RAW The specific (spell) trumps the general (feat). When polymorphed, only personality and alignment are retained. No feats.
You and your DM can rule differently, but keep in mind you set a precedent for anyone else to use feats while polymorphed. Immediate problem is anyone else using feats and polymorph immediately surpasses the strength of your wild shape.
but you have casted the spell before the polymorph.
if polymorph got reddin of the spell then you wouldn't be able to concentrate .
feats doesnt work with polymorph yes. but the Warcaster advantage works on the spell of polymorph .... do you get me ?
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Doesn't polymorph require concentration?
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Yesit does. we are discussing if the caster casted polymorph on themselves and they have the warcaster feet would they gain the Advantage or no.
my ruling is yes because the caster is concentrating on the spell not the beast that they polymorphed to.
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I think this is a case where it is helpful to look at a similar game element and draw information from the differences. Namely, compare polymorph to the druid wildshape feature - one bullet point in particular, "You retain the benefit of any features from your class, race, or other source and can use them if the new form is physically capable of doing so."
So while it is clear that wildshape doesn't prevent a druid with warcaster from benefitting (they'd roll Constitution saving throws to maintain concentration on a spell with advantage, but with the Constitution score of their assumed form), that text - the text which addresses feats as being potentially still beneficial - is absent from polymorph. That means that is clear that no similar protection of feat benefits is intended by the written text.