The Wayfinder's Guide to Eberron is not yet available in the mobile app. Since the content is in playtest status, we have to be cautious about it being distributed via the app where the content can be accessed offline.
Once the content is finalized, it will become available on the app just like any other finished book. To help explain this a bit more, here's Mike Mearls discussing this same approach with the DMs Guild and their print on demand feature:
Don’t you think all this information could have been volunteered from the offset instead of having to be drawn out of you guys. Geez it’s like pulling teeth.
The Wayfinder's Guide to Eberron is not yet available in the mobile app. Since the content is in playtest status, we have to be cautious about it being distributed via the app where the content can be accessed offline.
People who purchased the pdf over at dmsguild get to access their pdf offline. Why limit offline access for your product?
This is a pity. Obviously I don’t understand your process, but it makes no sense to me that the dmsguild pdf is a living document that will be regularly updated (and can be read offline) but the electronic document inside my DND Beyond app cannot. I see other books inside DND Beyond updated semi-regularly.
I’ve already had to ask the good people at DMs Guild to refund my initial purchase, as I bought it in the minutes before a DND Beyond version was announced. They kindly obliged, and I bought the DND Beyond version instead.
This is because I mostly read the books on my phone on a train with very patchy data, and a beyond copy is way more readable than a PDF. But now I find I can’t read it at all, and I’d have been better off sticking with a pdf.
i realise this is a slightly different project than normal, but I wish the messaging had been clearer before I bought it (twice). I’ll be less keen to buy straight away or to pre-order in future.
Anyway, I hope you reconsider and publish the work in progress version to the app.
Oh, this is disappointing. I bought the D&D Beyond version specifically to read off-line when I am on the go. Had I realized it wouldn't be available to read in the app, I would have gotten the PDF from the DMsGuild instead.
Don’t you think all this information could have been volunteered from the offset instead of having to be drawn out of you guys. Geez it’s like pulling teeth.
This entire product launch has been a big experiment on the part of Wizards of the Coast, and much will be learned from it (for them and us). Not offering excuses on our side, but we will follow WotC's lead on these things, and this is the approach they have taken.
When doing something new, it's sometimes difficult to know what information should be volunteered from the offset. All we can do is hear the feedback and course correct as we move forward, which is what we take seriously and will do.
If it’s actually just a question of not wanting to spend the time to update the mobile app document after each revision, I personally would be very happy if it wasn’t updated as frequently as the website and pdf. It makes sense to wait until it’s 100% done for a print on demand version but not so much for an electronic copy.
The Wayfinder's Guide to Eberron is not yet available in the mobile app. Since the content is in playtest status, we have to be cautious about it being distributed via the app where the content can be accessed offline.
People who purchased the pdf over at dmsguild get to access their pdf offline. Why limit offline access for your product?
Primarily because the DMs Guild existing distribution model has demonstrated and encourages updates to the PDFs released there. Users on the DMG understand at this point that they should check back regularly for updates.
To this point in our mobile app, we have only released finished book products, and so we were concerned about changing that model (in the time we had to get this product released).
Thinking about this from the other direction, if the WGtE showed up yesterday to purchase in the mobile app, I strongly hypothesize that we would have ended up with a good bit more complaints in feedback saying that the primary users of the app were upset that a product that isn't "100% sealed" was sold there.
We will continue to monitor feedback and discuss with WotC how this is working. We could change our approach at some point based on that feedback, and we will keep everyone updated.
Don’t you think all this information could have been volunteered from the offset instead of having to be drawn out of you guys. Geez it’s like pulling teeth.
This entire product launch has been a big experiment on the part of Wizards of the Coast, and much will be learned from it (for them and us). Not offering excuses on our side, but we will follow WotC's lead on these things, and this is the approach they have taken.
When doing something new, it's sometimes difficult to know what information should be volunteered from the offset. All we can do is hear the feedback and course correct as we move forward, which is what we take seriously and will do.
Thanks!
I hear you Badeye, but how is it not apparent to either you or WOTC to let people know what they are getting into, if you have to be pointed out how to conduct business ethically, then I am very worried about any future project you guys launch. These kind of things should be obvious to anyone hoping to maintain a positive business image. Was this not raised as a concern by anyone at some point? Please take this as a teaching moment and do better, be free to kick this information to WOTC, I have been on Mike Mearl’s twitter saying the same thing, because sadly WOTC has no forum to voice these grievances.
Again let me be clear: the structure of the model is great and I think it embraces the advantages of current technology to brIng content to end users quickly and iteratively, which I applaud.
It’s the first time I’ve given any dndbeyond feedback, and I’m pleased to see how you (and WoTC) gracefully and quickly changed course on this. Much appreciated, thank you!
I forgot this was a separate thread, so I'll post the latest from the other similar thread:
I wanted to provide an update here, where just last night the Wayfinder's Guide's Introduction was updated with the following text:
Bear in mind: this book presents my current vision of Eberron. This is the world I run at my own table, and the way that I’ve converted its ideas to fifth edition. The game mechanics are usable in your campaign, but at this time they aren’t officially part of the game and aren’t permitted in D&D Adventurers League events. These mechanics will evolve based on player feedback. This is a living document, and as these concepts are refined, this book will also be updated for free; so you will be kept up to date with any changes that are made to it. Beyond that: Eberron is your world as much as it is mine. I hope that this book will provide you with inspiration, but don’t be limited by these ideas or decisions. Think of this as something you can build upon, not a codex of absolute law.
With this change, WotC is already removing the "playtest" category from the content to differentiate it from Unearthed Arcana (the former text was word-for-word the disclaimer that is used for UA).
This change also allows us to revisit our stance on including the WGtE in our mobile app, since it is now legitimately being considered as early access to a "living," in-progress document and not content that could be finalized in a future book.
In other words, you will see the WGtE in the mobile app as soon as we are able to get it there now that this change was made for the content. We will keep everyone updated.
Thank you, I’m happy that I’ll be able to access the content I pay for offline and in the app, which hitherto has been my biggest reason to embrace and invest in buying all of this content on D&D Beyond. Thank you again.
I'm glad to see in your next post that the material will be in the app soon. I hope in the future that as new product streams are tested the DDB team leans toward releasing unsealed content with a clear indicator that the product is such, over just not releasing it.
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Hello,
Thought you'd want to know that The Wayfinder’s Guide to Eberron doesn't appear in the Compendium in the iOS App after purchase.
Yep, same problem here.
I'm having the same problem as well. Very disappointed!
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D&D Beyond FoundersThe Wayfinder's Guide to Eberron is not yet available in the mobile app. Since the content is in playtest status, we have to be cautious about it being distributed via the app where the content can be accessed offline.
Once the content is finalized, it will become available on the app just like any other finished book. To help explain this a bit more, here's Mike Mearls discussing this same approach with the DMs Guild and their print on demand feature:
https://twitter.com/mikemearls/status/1021493084536881159
As he mentions there, once the content is "100% sealed," it will be distributed in the app.
Thanks!
Don’t you think all this information could have been volunteered from the offset instead of having to be drawn out of you guys. Geez it’s like pulling teeth.
People who purchased the pdf over at dmsguild get to access their pdf offline. Why limit offline access for your product?
This is a pity. Obviously I don’t understand your process, but it makes no sense to me that the dmsguild pdf is a living document that will be regularly updated (and can be read offline) but the electronic document inside my DND Beyond app cannot. I see other books inside DND Beyond updated semi-regularly.
I’ve already had to ask the good people at DMs Guild to refund my initial purchase, as I bought it in the minutes before a DND Beyond version was announced. They kindly obliged, and I bought the DND Beyond version instead.
This is because I mostly read the books on my phone on a train with very patchy data, and a beyond copy is way more readable than a PDF. But now I find I can’t read it at all, and I’d have been better off sticking with a pdf.
i realise this is a slightly different project than normal, but I wish the messaging had been clearer before I bought it (twice). I’ll be less keen to buy straight away or to pre-order in future.
Anyway, I hope you reconsider and publish the work in progress version to the app.
Oh, this is disappointing. I bought the D&D Beyond version specifically to read off-line when I am on the go. Had I realized it wouldn't be available to read in the app, I would have gotten the PDF from the DMsGuild instead.
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D&D Beyond FoundersThis entire product launch has been a big experiment on the part of Wizards of the Coast, and much will be learned from it (for them and us). Not offering excuses on our side, but we will follow WotC's lead on these things, and this is the approach they have taken.
When doing something new, it's sometimes difficult to know what information should be volunteered from the offset. All we can do is hear the feedback and course correct as we move forward, which is what we take seriously and will do.
Thanks!
If it’s actually just a question of not wanting to spend the time to update the mobile app document after each revision, I personally would be very happy if it wasn’t updated as frequently as the website and pdf. It makes sense to wait until it’s 100% done for a print on demand version but not so much for an electronic copy.
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D&D Beyond FoundersPrimarily because the DMs Guild existing distribution model has demonstrated and encourages updates to the PDFs released there. Users on the DMG understand at this point that they should check back regularly for updates.
To this point in our mobile app, we have only released finished book products, and so we were concerned about changing that model (in the time we had to get this product released).
Thinking about this from the other direction, if the WGtE showed up yesterday to purchase in the mobile app, I strongly hypothesize that we would have ended up with a good bit more complaints in feedback saying that the primary users of the app were upset that a product that isn't "100% sealed" was sold there.
We will continue to monitor feedback and discuss with WotC how this is working. We could change our approach at some point based on that feedback, and we will keep everyone updated.
Thanks!
I hear you Badeye, but how is it not apparent to either you or WOTC to let people know what they are getting into, if you have to be pointed out how to conduct business ethically, then I am very worried about any future project you guys launch. These kind of things should be obvious to anyone hoping to maintain a positive business image. Was this not raised as a concern by anyone at some point? Please take this as a teaching moment and do better, be free to kick this information to WOTC, I have been on Mike Mearl’s twitter saying the same thing, because sadly WOTC has no forum to voice these grievances.
Again let me be clear: the structure of the model is great and I think it embraces the advantages of current technology to brIng content to end users quickly and iteratively, which I applaud.
Thanks BadEye. I’m loving D&D Beyond generally, you guys are doing great work, keep it up.
I want to add that I, and my table, love D&D Beyond. We can't imagine playing now without it.
I was just surprised when I couldn't download the content and wish this had been made clear before I purchased.
However, I'm glad to see Eberron and excited to see if other settings get added in a similar fashion. More is always better. (Kobold Press, please!)
It’s the first time I’ve given any dndbeyond feedback, and I’m pleased to see how you (and WoTC) gracefully and quickly changed course on this. Much appreciated, thank you!
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D&D Beyond FoundersI forgot this was a separate thread, so I'll post the latest from the other similar thread:
I wanted to provide an update here, where just last night the Wayfinder's Guide's Introduction was updated with the following text:
With this change, WotC is already removing the "playtest" category from the content to differentiate it from Unearthed Arcana (the former text was word-for-word the disclaimer that is used for UA).
This change also allows us to revisit our stance on including the WGtE in our mobile app, since it is now legitimately being considered as early access to a "living," in-progress document and not content that could be finalized in a future book.
In other words, you will see the WGtE in the mobile app as soon as we are able to get it there now that this change was made for the content. We will keep everyone updated.
Thanks!
Thank you, I’m happy that I’ll be able to access the content I pay for offline and in the app, which hitherto has been my biggest reason to embrace and invest in buying all of this content on D&D Beyond. Thank you again.
I really do feel the need to say that this is amazing customer service.
Overall, I'm super impressed with this service and look forward to using it for quite some time.
Thank you.
Thank you very very much!
I'm glad to see in your next post that the material will be in the app soon. I hope in the future that as new product streams are tested the DDB team leans toward releasing unsealed content with a clear indicator that the product is such, over just not releasing it.