Thats fine - roll the dice then. Clearly there's value in the license if you or another publisher doesn't want to do that.
There's value to a license from the source of the IP. If the people behind ORC come up with a completely new, non-derivative game, and it takes the world by storm, then yeah, whatever license they put it under is valuable. At the moment, it's just vaporware. A license has no inherent value -- rather, its value is based on what it licenses.
shock! a license that not has been written yet is atm not giving us anything...
Thats fine - roll the dice then. Clearly there's value in the license if you or another publisher doesn't want to do that.
There's value to a license from the source of the IP. If the people behind ORC come up with a completely new, non-derivative game, and it takes the world by storm, then yeah, whatever license they put it under is valuable. At the moment, it's just vaporware. A license has no inherent value -- rather, its value is based on what it licenses.
Well, since we still lack an official document outlining what will and will not be covered, doomspeak isn't any more helpful than joyspeak, celebrating a massive victory. What we DO know, is that they heard the fan base and are going to change the new OGL. Maybe the newer revision will be upped to boards for perusal before being sent to folks with a "sign here" line (as ANY contract written has, first draft OR final draft) That's the biggest angst I see from a lot of folks out of touch with contract negotiations and how they run. Every "draft" includes a "sign here" line, so when it's agreed to, it can be finalized then and there. A recent contract the company I work for signed went through 15 revisions before coming to life. EVERY copy sent back and forth has the "sign here" line.
I want to see the newest proposal before assuming the devil walks among us. I lack the time, energy or interest to run around screaming the sky is falling without anything valid to support it.
Do they all have very short term deadlines with threats of financial ruin?
They've done too much already. We don't want an apology or excuses. We don't want them to do anything at this point. Offer a sincere apology, acknowledge you messed up, and drop this entirely. Don't touch the OGL. As lawyers have pointed out, it already covers the issues that WoTC are saying they are trying to address fine enough already. We're not stupid.
Too late for that. With a bunch of 3PP announcing ORC, WotC no longer have anything to lose by dropping OGL 1.0a, nobody is going to stick with it long-term anyway.
I'm sorry, was I supposed to CARE if this is good for WotC? I guess I didn't get the memo. From my point of view, WotC has overreached. They did it in an underhanded and untruthful way. Every step has included lies, half truths, bad faith arguments, and gaslighting. I very seriously don't care if they need to sell their cars and ride horses to work. They need to fix their attitude and methods or they don't get more of my money. STOP WHITE KNIGHTING and let them fix it or announce that they are willing to burn the brand to the ground.
Seems like people did a great job voicing their objections to the craziness that was leaked. Glad to see WotC didn't just follow through with this. Time will tell how well this position stays in place. I'm still concerned with quality of their past couple books and the future.
I'm sure some people will still say they are the worst and will never give them money again (and I wonder how few of them actually spent money in the past on them)
I have easily spent over a thousand dollars on the Lengedary Bundle, additional books as the came out, and multiple years of a DM sub. Before a walked away from roll20, I had purchased many of the same books again to use on there. This is money that went to WotC, I'm not counting the many more hundreds of dollars spent on third party content. I am pissed because of the amount of time and money I have personally spent on this hobby only for greedy executives to decide they haven't be getting their beaks wet enough. I have zero faith that WotC/Hasbro will not just continue to make the changes they want to make slowly instead of all at once, now.
Word for word I could say the same.
Same here. It's not people who never cared about the game that are dead set against letting this new approach by WotC stand, and willing to pay the price for their convictions.. it is precisely those that cared the most.
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shock! a license that not has been written yet is atm not giving us anything...
Sure, but that's a lot of "ifs."
Do they all have very short term deadlines with threats of financial ruin?
I'm sorry, was I supposed to CARE if this is good for WotC? I guess I didn't get the memo. From my point of view, WotC has overreached. They did it in an underhanded and untruthful way. Every step has included lies, half truths, bad faith arguments, and gaslighting. I very seriously don't care if they need to sell their cars and ride horses to work. They need to fix their attitude and methods or they don't get more of my money. STOP WHITE KNIGHTING and let them fix it or announce that they are willing to burn the brand to the ground.
Same here. It's not people who never cared about the game that are dead set against letting this new approach by WotC stand, and willing to pay the price for their convictions.. it is precisely those that cared the most.