Not legitimate complaints: "They changed 'races' to 'species' and now my game is ruined."
This I 100% agree, and dislike the thought that positive efforts toward inclusivity will be a scapegoat, instead of what I find as flaws in the design.
Personally, I like having the option of both. The ability to create a character under 2014 rules is actually unchanged if you just take a couple of minutes and learn where the buttons are now. I do agree that having toggleable tooltips would be nice.
Previously, I was honestly open minded about mixing and matching between rules updates until the rollout pushed me deep into a dissatisfaction with the 2024 rules.
Yes, you can make a 5e character still, as they thankfully walked back from turning 5e into "homebrew," but it's far less convenient. It was previously so convenient I had repurchased my entire 5e library, and more, when I adopted the tools and invited my table to join.
The 2024 rules should be considered optional content, with a toggle to turn them off. And "legacy" shouldn't be shoved to the bottom of every page and tooltip.
I can agree that it's less convenient. Though I don't mind the new flow in creation, it just rearranged a few items. But that's me. And yeah, I could agree to a toggle to turn off the 2024 content just like any other source.
Not legitimate complaints: "They changed 'races' to 'species' and now my game is ruined."
This I 100% agree, and dislike the thought that positive efforts toward inclusivity will be a scapegoat, instead of what I find as flaws in the design.
Personally, I like having the option of both. The ability to create a character under 2014 rules is actually unchanged if you just take a couple of minutes and learn where the buttons are now. I do agree that having toggleable tooltips would be nice.
Previously, I was honestly open minded about mixing and matching between rules updates until the rollout pushed me deep into a dissatisfaction with the 2024 rules.
Yes, you can make a 5e character still, as they thankfully walked back from turning 5e into "homebrew," but it's far less convenient. It was previously so convenient I had repurchased my entire 5e library, and more, when I adopted the tools and invited my table to join.
The 2024 rules should be considered optional content, with a toggle to turn them off. And "legacy" shouldn't be shoved to the bottom of every page and tooltip.
I don't disagree with what you say here, except for one point. I would consider 2024 the current content and stat of the game and anything legacy as optional content. Basically the same end state as what you said, but from a different veiw point.
Not legitimate complaints: "They changed 'races' to 'species' and now my game is ruined."
This I 100% agree, and dislike the thought that positive efforts toward inclusivity will be a scapegoat, instead of what I find as flaws in the design.
Personally, I like having the option of both. The ability to create a character under 2014 rules is actually unchanged if you just take a couple of minutes and learn where the buttons are now. I do agree that having toggleable tooltips would be nice.
Previously, I was honestly open minded about mixing and matching between rules updates until the rollout pushed me deep into a dissatisfaction with the 2024 rules.
Yes, you can make a 5e character still, as they thankfully walked back from turning 5e into "homebrew," but it's far less convenient. It was previously so convenient I had repurchased my entire 5e library, and more, when I adopted the tools and invited my table to join.
The 2024 rules should be considered optional content, with a toggle to turn them off. And "legacy" shouldn't be shoved to the bottom of every page and tooltip.
I don't disagree with what you say here, except for one point. I would consider 2024 the current content and stat of the game and anything legacy as optional content. Basically the same end state as what you said, but from a different veiw point.
I could absolutely see the usefulness of a dual toggle. Basically, you can turn both on, or one off, but you can't turn both off (because that would be 0 options selected).
I could absolutely see the usefulness of a dual toggle. Basically, you can turn both on, or one off, but you can't turn both off (because that would be 0 options selected).
It's another reason optional 2024 rules should have been advertised and sold as it's own separate edition and it's own unintrusive toolset.
But here we are. So I'd suggest, the Sources section in DDB should be changed to a Library section, and have DDB function as a tool for the library you own and have purchased. Let you organize your own library and toggle on/off books you own as active. Then searches from the home page will fit the books you own and are actively using.
There should be an additional selection for which ones you're using when you open a campaign, or new character, for easier exceptions. Have search functionality on those pages based on the books active with those characters/campaigns.
While I highly doubt there'll be changes like this, anything even close to this I'd probably return to my master sub for. Otherwise, after how unhappy my entire table has been about the 2024 rules, I'm already looking at other systems.
How do I turn off the new spells? I don't own or want to use the 2024 stuff. I don't really care if the old versions of spells say (Legacy), but I want to continue using those spells as I have been for the past 5 years without the new versions clogging my spell lists.
Please untangle 6E from 5E so that 5E is playable as it was in July. Not only for those who have only access to the 2014 version, but for everyone who has access to the books they wish to play.
I've said elsewhere but the site already handles hiding/showing things based on toggles, both for "Legacy" & "Third Party/Non-Core" content.
Just make another set of toggles (2014 & 2024) separate from those, that can be independent from each other, on the compendium & sheets. Possibly site-wide at the top if you need.
Reserve "Legacy" for obsolete *within* an edition. Make both on or 2024 only as default if you wish. If both are toggled off don't display anything & put a "please expand your search by including an edition".
If you could separate the tooltips so it shows only the latest game the sheet is set to, then WotC could probably sell *all* their previous games under one roof, making separate sheets for 4e & earlier ala roll20.
If the customer is paying for books & subs or buying their VTT who cares what game they're actually playing. 4e is only 5e's competition if you're not selling the books. Their teaser for Sigil already hinted at it being possibly edition agnostic, if that's a design goal what better way to sell it than make it a multipurpose WotC/D&D game room.
You can encourage your players to stay in the ecosystem, even if they take a break from 5e, getting multiple sales from the same groups as they try older products.
"You like 5e, see how it all began, try classic AD&D"; they already do this on Fantasy Grounds.
Helps future proof for wherever they inevitably mothball 2024 content mid run.
"But they might not play 5.24e" who cares if they weren't going to buy they weren't going to buy. Better to have an alternative rather than they leave completely.
I've said elsewhere but the site already handles hiding/showing things based on toggles, both for "Legacy" & "Third Party/Non-Core" content.
Just make another set of toggles (2014 & 2024) separate from those, that can be independent from each other, on the compendium & sheets. Possibly site-wide at the top if you need.
Reserve "Legacy" for obsolete *within* an edition. Make both on or 2024 only as default if you wish. If both are toggled off don't display anything & put a "please expand your search by including an edition".
If you could separate the tooltips so it shows only the latest game the sheet is set to, then WotC could probably sell *all* their previous games under one roof, making separate sheets for 4e & earlier ala roll20.
If the customer is paying for books & subs or buying their VTT who cares what game they're actually playing. 4e is only 5e's competition if you're not selling the books. Their teaser for Sigil already hinted at it being possibly edition agnostic, if that's a design goal what better way to sell it than make it a multipurpose WotC/D&D game room.
You can encourage your players to stay in the ecosystem, even if they take a break from 5e, getting multiple sales from the same groups as they try older products.
"You like 5e, see how it all began, try classic AD&D"; they already do this on Fantasy Grounds.
Helps future proof for wherever they inevitably mothball 2024 content mid run.
"But they might not play 5.24e" who cares if they weren't going to buy they weren't going to buy. Better to have an alternative rather than they leave completely.
You make a good point here. Instead of forcing people to use their new edition (which they can't do), they should try to embrace all D&D players and making money with the 50 years of content they got by putting every ruleset available here and letting people chose which one they enjoy playing with.
"...embrace all D&D players and making money with the 50 years of content they got by putting everyrule set available here and letting people chose which one they enjoy playing with." -Tannskaya
This is the best idea I've heard for DnD Beyond!!
I mean, even if they added one version a year (starting with 2014 and moving backwards) we could have every version of DnD on one site by 2030! We know there are people out there who still play every edition of the game (even 4E) and that they could sell access to these materials again and people would purchase it.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Pronouns: he/him, Polyam, Freelance TTRPG & Board Game Designer/Developer/Publisher, Comic Book Fan, He who has lain with an A'askavarian
This is a good point. And they could even make it different character builders, use the same basic framework and build for each edition separately. So when you choose an older edition at the start of the flow, it puts you into that path.
The game mechanics for your 2014 characters will not be impacted, and all spells, abilities, items, and conditions will display information in line with 2014 rules. Your previous character sheets will receive some updated terminology, as explained in “Changes in Terminology” below."*
Well this is a goddang lie. My monk's abilities were updated without my consent and I can't change it back because its defaulting to the new rules. I dont have access to the new rules at all, so i dont understand why its changing my stuff. No new rules downloaded, no new phb, but somehow its updating a character that i don't own the rules to update >:( Started a subscription not too long ago and probably going to cancel it. Think I'm going to do what my DM is suggesting and start reading up on Pathfinder so we can start a game with that once we're done with the current module. Dnd Beyond is becoming unusable as a resource.
Unless you didn't *want* any of the new stuff. The 'new' spells they released are nearly all carbon copies of the current ones with slightly different (and usually more boring) wording. If you didn't want the new stuff, that's too bad because if you have the old players handbook, you're being forced to default to the new stuff
tannskaya was spot on. that is a great idea. Though if that doesn't happen, and let's be real, it probably won't, and if it does not for good while, I still think the whole "toggle what edition you want" idea is still a great solution.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Click me to get rickrolled. If I ever say something that offends you or someone else, please know that I didn't mean it. I'm always open to joining a PBP group, preferably as a player, since I'm DMing several groups right now.
Yo, can anyone who has the 2024 PHB tell me what does the tooltips of spells refer to? The 2014 version or the 2024 version? Cuz I don't wanna buy the new PHB if it affects my spell tooltips.
Yo, can anyone who has the 2024 PHB tell me what does the tooltips of spells refer to? The 2014 version or the 2024 version? Cuz I don't wanna buy the new PHB if it affects my spell tooltips.
They have different tagging for the tooltips and how they work so your display issue shouldn't be affected. While I haven't purchased the 5.5 PHB it is content-shared to me and the Free Rules are already available to us. But when I look at a mage I see counterspell in their statblock and not counterspell.
Any tooltip issues you have should be sitewide rather than book-specific.
Edit: Even a dire wolf shows fine and doesn't get replaced with a dire wolf.
I can agree that it's less convenient. Though I don't mind the new flow in creation, it just rearranged a few items. But that's me. And yeah, I could agree to a toggle to turn off the 2024 content just like any other source.
Why do tools still note show up with skills? Or how do I quickly see stats for tool usage?
I don't disagree with what you say here, except for one point. I would consider 2024 the current content and stat of the game and anything legacy as optional content. Basically the same end state as what you said, but from a different veiw point.
I could absolutely see the usefulness of a dual toggle. Basically, you can turn both on, or one off, but you can't turn both off (because that would be 0 options selected).
It's another reason optional 2024 rules should have been advertised and sold as it's own separate edition and it's own unintrusive toolset.
But here we are. So I'd suggest, the Sources section in DDB should be changed to a Library section, and have DDB function as a tool for the library you own and have purchased. Let you organize your own library and toggle on/off books you own as active. Then searches from the home page will fit the books you own and are actively using.
There should be an additional selection for which ones you're using when you open a campaign, or new character, for easier exceptions. Have search functionality on those pages based on the books active with those characters/campaigns.
While I highly doubt there'll be changes like this, anything even close to this I'd probably return to my master sub for. Otherwise, after how unhappy my entire table has been about the 2024 rules, I'm already looking at other systems.
Yea a dual toggle would be best it think.
How do I turn off the new spells? I don't own or want to use the 2024 stuff. I don't really care if the old versions of spells say (Legacy), but I want to continue using those spells as I have been for the past 5 years without the new versions clogging my spell lists.
Please untangle 6E from 5E so that 5E is playable as it was in July. Not only for those who have only access to the 2014 version, but for everyone who has access to the books they wish to play.
DND Beyond Legendary Bundle Holder
I've said elsewhere but the site already handles hiding/showing things based on toggles, both for "Legacy" & "Third Party/Non-Core" content.
Just make another set of toggles (2014 & 2024) separate from those, that can be independent from each other, on the compendium & sheets. Possibly site-wide at the top if you need.
Reserve "Legacy" for obsolete *within* an edition. Make both on or 2024 only as default if you wish. If both are toggled off don't display anything & put a "please expand your search by including an edition".
If you could separate the tooltips so it shows only the latest game the sheet is set to, then WotC could probably sell *all* their previous games under one roof, making separate sheets for 4e & earlier ala roll20.
If the customer is paying for books & subs or buying their VTT who cares what game they're actually playing. 4e is only 5e's competition if you're not selling the books. Their teaser for Sigil already hinted at it being possibly edition agnostic, if that's a design goal what better way to sell it than make it a multipurpose WotC/D&D game room.
You can encourage your players to stay in the ecosystem, even if they take a break from 5e, getting multiple sales from the same groups as they try older products.
"You like 5e, see how it all began, try classic AD&D"; they already do this on Fantasy Grounds.
Helps future proof for wherever they inevitably mothball 2024 content mid run.
"But they might not play 5.24e" who cares if they weren't going to buy they weren't going to buy. Better to have an alternative rather than they leave completely.
Because Robots.
You make a good point here. Instead of forcing people to use their new edition (which they can't do), they should try to embrace all D&D players and making money with the 50 years of content they got by putting every ruleset available here and letting people chose which one they enjoy playing with.
"...embrace all D&D players and making money with the 50 years of content they got by putting every rule set available here and letting people chose which one they enjoy playing with." -Tannskaya
This is the best idea I've heard for DnD Beyond!!
I mean, even if they added one version a year (starting with 2014 and moving backwards) we could have every version of DnD on one site by 2030! We know there are people out there who still play every edition of the game (even 4E) and that they could sell access to these materials again and people would purchase it.
Pronouns: he/him, Polyam, Freelance TTRPG & Board Game Designer/Developer/Publisher, Comic Book Fan, He who has lain with an A'askavarian
This is a good point. And they could even make it different character builders, use the same basic framework and build for each edition separately. So when you choose an older edition at the start of the flow, it puts you into that path.
*"Will my previous character sheets be affected?
The game mechanics for your 2014 characters will not be impacted, and all spells, abilities, items, and conditions will display information in line with 2014 rules. Your previous character sheets will receive some updated terminology, as explained in “Changes in Terminology” below."*
Well this is a goddang lie. My monk's abilities were updated without my consent and I can't change it back because its defaulting to the new rules. I dont have access to the new rules at all, so i dont understand why its changing my stuff. No new rules downloaded, no new phb, but somehow its updating a character that i don't own the rules to update >:( Started a subscription not too long ago and probably going to cancel it. Think I'm going to do what my DM is suggesting and start reading up on Pathfinder so we can start a game with that once we're done with the current module. Dnd Beyond is becoming unusable as a resource.
Unless you didn't *want* any of the new stuff. The 'new' spells they released are nearly all carbon copies of the current ones with slightly different (and usually more boring) wording. If you didn't want the new stuff, that's too bad because if you have the old players handbook, you're being forced to default to the new stuff
tannskaya was spot on. that is a great idea. Though if that doesn't happen, and let's be real, it probably won't, and if it does not for good while, I still think the whole "toggle what edition you want" idea is still a great solution.
Click me to get rickrolled.
If I ever say something that offends you or someone else, please know that I didn't mean it. I'm always open to joining a PBP group, preferably as a player, since I'm DMing several groups right now.
Yo, can anyone who has the 2024 PHB tell me what does the tooltips of spells refer to? The 2014 version or the 2024 version? Cuz I don't wanna buy the new PHB if it affects my spell tooltips.
I'm guessing you're wondering if your guidance tooltip will get replaced with guidance or that conjure animals will become conjure animals correct?
They have different tagging for the tooltips and how they work so your display issue shouldn't be affected. While I haven't purchased the 5.5 PHB it is content-shared to me and the Free Rules are already available to us. But when I look at a mage I see counterspell in their statblock and not counterspell.
Any tooltip issues you have should be sitewide rather than book-specific.
Edit: Even a dire wolf shows fine and doesn't get replaced with a dire wolf.
This is a signature. It was a simple signature. But it has been upgraded.
Belolonandalogalo, Sunny | DraĂocht, Kholias | Eggo Lass, 100 Dungeons
Tendilius Mondhaven Paxaramus, Drakkenheim | Talorin Tebedi, Vecna: Eve
Bombil, Hunt for Yeenoghu | Cherry Littleoak, Stormwreck | Phait, Lost Mine of Phandelver
Beneath the Mountain | Let's Test Monsters!
Get rickrolled here. Awesome music here. Track 36, 10/3/24, How Can I Keep From Singing?
haha for sure, after this bullshit im dumping dnd altogether for those 2,
DRAW STEEL!
short answer you cant
Oh, well that's news for me. Do know where to find the taggings for various tooltips like a link perhaps? Thanks again for the info.