Also looking forward to the character sheets. Thinks are looking very nice. I too am apprehensive over pricing, but even if I have to pay full price I plan on picking up the core rulebooks and using SRD just to have online access to my main tools, and keep buying physical books for my other stuff.
Recently ordered my physical copy of Tales from the Yawning Portal, looking forward to using it for one shots for nights when not all party members can come out.
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I use summon instrument to summon my kettle drum, hold it overhead like Donkey Kong, and chuck it at the nearest kobold.
The truth is, in regards to "repaying" for the electronic versions of physical copies we already own, there's no streamlined way to find out who owns which physical copies of which books, and then send them a code for a free PDF. The closest thing I can think of is if you ordered directly from dnd.wizards.com, because they probably have the purchase recorded somewhere. But that accounts for a small portion of the population, where others bought from Amazon, or supported their local game store (raises hand). Or perhaps if you were able to return the physical copy which you purchased. Which... isn't going to happen. I guess you could sell it on Amazon or Ebay, however, and then use the funds collected to purchase the PDFs from here. But that's probably the closest thing you're going to get.
Are there any talks about Beta testers receiving certain amenities when the product is released, such as a "pay for permanent" master account. I'm not certain what the prices will be but I would be ok with dropping $100 to get a permanent account, only because I helped test it. My issue is I really wouldn't pay for this if it was a subscription.
Are there any talks about Beta testers receiving certain amenities when the product is released, such as a "pay for permanent" master account. I'm not certain what the prices will be but I would be ok with dropping $100 to get a permanent account, only because I helped test it. My issue is I really wouldn't pay for this if it was a subscription.
That would be cool...if us Beta Beyonders got something for being Beta Beyonders. Like, maybe a free one-shot or something? I don't know what else they could do as I don't know how they are going to do pricing and subscriptions. Maybe a cool looking character sheet or something? Anything lol
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"...Debts must always be paid, sometimes in more than blood and gold. But this is Ordo Ursa," Ren places his hand on Erakas's chest, right where the Dragonborn's heart is. "Right here. And it always has been and always will be. Don't ever forget that. Because I won't."
Serandis Mendaen (Aereni Elven Rogue/maybe one day Wizard)- Project Point Playtest
I am little concerned about the notion of subbing for a master tier account AND paying for the modules and book. If all the master tier allows you to do is share the content you own it really seems like a abusive deal. I was hoping more for a netflix like system where new books might not be added right away, but after some delay. I also really hope future physical books will come with a code to activate on here. Else that be just playing dirty. I understand that the old books can't be tracked, but for new releases there is no real excuse to throw in a D&D beyond copy to promote the service.
D&D never sells their hardcopy content direct to the public, and are against doing so. They want to keep on the side of the game stores that kept them alive even when they didn't sit on the bestseller list, plus WotC's even bigger fish is MtG which relies on stores for success.
In any case, what you are purchasing/subscribing to with D&D Beyond, or Roll20, or Fantasy Grounds, or Hero Lab, isn't so much just paying again for the same content, as it is paying for the programming of the system (web or mobile app background, plus features, new mechanics, maintenance, upgrades, security, etc.), the inputting of the content, new and/or improved content over what's available in the books (scale maps, tokens, etc), technical support, forums, marketing and promotion, licensing of the content, and yes, a portion of it for the content itself. Expecting it for free, or at a steep discount isn't realistic. Paizo may be doing some of that right now with Pathfinder as they launch officially onto Fantasy grounds; but they are also fighting to survive against the competitive juggernaut that D&D 5th Ed has become, and they _do_ track all PDF sales through their website. I'd LOVE it if D&D would make PDFs available of the current content, so that might be possible in future for digital support as well, but they are already in the winning position from a sales perspective, so don't seem to see the need...
For Roll20 or Fantasy Ground ( I don't know Hero Lab so I won't comment on that) both offer more beyond being a database for all the infos like D&DB is setting itself up to be. Those are platforms to play on that offer a benefit for the purchase or subscription beyond simply the game. e.g. Roll 20 light system or automation on Fantasy Grounds. BEYOND that you can buy the books for the database on those websites. D&D Beyond is so to speak only that beyond part with nothing beyond it ;P So far ( from this article and the podcast) it doesn't really seem that there is gonna be much at offer here to pay for which would be solved by a PDF with an Index ( that litrally hits 3 of there core selling points, easy to access, always with you and easy to find things).
I agree that they really should be publishing PDFs and I think it is curricula that they integrate digital support in there future products. Else they simply will lose money to 3rd party companies that do what they don't want to do. Like I said in my post it be easy to just add a code to all future copies of the book that gives you the books on here. Getting people into the ecosystem and increasing the benefit. As selling a 40€ book for 40€ as a PDF you can't just open is a little annoying. Same with the subscription options. I do would like a little more out of it then " I can share my PDFS with everyone" that seems a little backwards and counter intuitive for a system trying to beat established ones.
Pathfinders biggest issue is that it is scary for new players to get into. I tried at the same time as 5e and it was so much more reading that it put me a little off the game.
I am excited for DNDBeyond to be up and running in all its glory. The compendium has come a long way and seems to be in a good place. I am wondering how much longer it is going to be until we seen phase 2 and 3. This whole thing smells of the empty promises that we have seen from wizards in previous editions.
I am excited for DNDBeyond to be up and running in all its glory. The compendium has come a long way and seems to be in a good place. I am wondering how much longer it is going to be until we seen phase 2 and 3. This whole thing smells of the empty promises that we have seen from wizards in previous editions.
Hi Norbert,
D&D Beyond is being developed and delivered by Curse, who have plenty of experience of delivering digital products to enhance both tabletop and video gaming. :)
Also looking forward to the character sheets. Thinks are looking very nice. I too am apprehensive over pricing, but even if I have to pay full price I plan on picking up the core rulebooks and using SRD just to have online access to my main tools, and keep buying physical books for my other stuff.
Recently ordered my physical copy of Tales from the Yawning Portal, looking forward to using it for one shots for nights when not all party members can come out.
I use summon instrument to summon my kettle drum, hold it overhead like Donkey Kong, and chuck it at the nearest kobold.
The truth is, in regards to "repaying" for the electronic versions of physical copies we already own, there's no streamlined way to find out who owns which physical copies of which books, and then send them a code for a free PDF. The closest thing I can think of is if you ordered directly from dnd.wizards.com, because they probably have the purchase recorded somewhere. But that accounts for a small portion of the population, where others bought from Amazon, or supported their local game store (raises hand). Or perhaps if you were able to return the physical copy which you purchased. Which... isn't going to happen. I guess you could sell it on Amazon or Ebay, however, and then use the funds collected to purchase the PDFs from here. But that's probably the closest thing you're going to get.
Are there any talks about Beta testers receiving certain amenities when the product is released, such as a "pay for permanent" master account. I'm not certain what the prices will be but I would be ok with dropping $100 to get a permanent account, only because I helped test it. My issue is I really wouldn't pay for this if it was a subscription.
I sure wish you could Download and print Dragon+.
I use summon instrument to summon my kettle drum, hold it overhead like Donkey Kong, and chuck it at the nearest kobold.
Good things are coming! Huzzah.
I'll try that! Thx!
"...Debts must always be paid, sometimes in more than blood and gold. But this is Ordo Ursa," Ren places his hand on Erakas's chest, right where the Dragonborn's heart is. "Right here. And it always has been and always will be. Don't ever forget that. Because I won't."
Serandis Mendaen (Aereni Elven Rogue/maybe one day Wizard)- Project Point Playtest
I am little concerned about the notion of subbing for a master tier account AND paying for the modules and book. If all the master tier allows you to do is share the content you own it really seems like a abusive deal. I was hoping more for a netflix like system where new books might not be added right away, but after some delay. I also really hope future physical books will come with a code to activate on here. Else that be just playing dirty. I understand that the old books can't be tracked, but for new releases there is no real excuse to throw in a D&D beyond copy to promote the service.
D&D never sells their hardcopy content direct to the public, and are against doing so. They want to keep on the side of the game stores that kept them alive even when they didn't sit on the bestseller list, plus WotC's even bigger fish is MtG which relies on stores for success.
In any case, what you are purchasing/subscribing to with D&D Beyond, or Roll20, or Fantasy Grounds, or Hero Lab, isn't so much just paying again for the same content, as it is paying for the programming of the system (web or mobile app background, plus features, new mechanics, maintenance, upgrades, security, etc.), the inputting of the content, new and/or improved content over what's available in the books (scale maps, tokens, etc), technical support, forums, marketing and promotion, licensing of the content, and yes, a portion of it for the content itself. Expecting it for free, or at a steep discount isn't realistic. Paizo may be doing some of that right now with Pathfinder as they launch officially onto Fantasy grounds; but they are also fighting to survive against the competitive juggernaut that D&D 5th Ed has become, and they _do_ track all PDF sales through their website. I'd LOVE it if D&D would make PDFs available of the current content, so that might be possible in future for digital support as well, but they are already in the winning position from a sales perspective, so don't seem to see the need...
For Roll20 or Fantasy Ground ( I don't know Hero Lab so I won't comment on that) both offer more beyond being a database for all the infos like D&DB is setting itself up to be. Those are platforms to play on that offer a benefit for the purchase or subscription beyond simply the game. e.g. Roll 20 light system or automation on Fantasy Grounds. BEYOND that you can buy the books for the database on those websites. D&D Beyond is so to speak only that beyond part with nothing beyond it ;P So far ( from this article and the podcast) it doesn't really seem that there is gonna be much at offer here to pay for which would be solved by a PDF with an Index ( that litrally hits 3 of there core selling points, easy to access, always with you and easy to find things).
I agree that they really should be publishing PDFs and I think it is curricula that they integrate digital support in there future products. Else they simply will lose money to 3rd party companies that do what they don't want to do. Like I said in my post it be easy to just add a code to all future copies of the book that gives you the books on here. Getting people into the ecosystem and increasing the benefit. As selling a 40€ book for 40€ as a PDF you can't just open is a little annoying. Same with the subscription options. I do would like a little more out of it then " I can share my PDFS with everyone" that seems a little backwards and counter intuitive for a system trying to beat established ones.
Pathfinders biggest issue is that it is scary for new players to get into. I tried at the same time as 5e and it was so much more reading that it put me a little off the game.
Just be patient Laron for Phase 2 and 3. Maybe that will change your mind on what this actually is.
I am excited for DNDBeyond to be up and running in all its glory. The compendium has come a long way and seems to be in a good place. I am wondering how much longer it is going to be until we seen phase 2 and 3. This whole thing smells of the empty promises that we have seen from wizards in previous editions.
For phase 2 a 11 days at most.
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