Recently I made a thread regarding the intellect devourer and deathward due to unclear wording. Now I come again with such a regard.
Recently due to some shenanigans, I was able to magic jar an intellect devourer. And thus so far I have been playing the game as such. (Very fun btw)
At some point in our adventure I will get acces to the spell true polymorph. Can I use that to polymorph the body I currently have under control due to body thief, into a different creature without being affected as intellect devourer?
Note, officialy as intellect devourer you can only use body thief on humanoids, my dm is a bit more lenient and allowes me to body thief creatures that have a brain.
I believe we are talking about the body, as in the controlled body via body thief already. After all, I don't even think an Intellect Devourer could cast the spell on itself as that spell has Verbal, Somatic and Material components, but a body under it's control could, if the Intellect Devourer is else wise able to cast the spell.
I do wonder about the lore aspect of this, Intellect Devourers are often considered as controlled by Illithid but I am not sure on the mechanism that works under. At least it's not an Illithid themself, since the moment you got in range of an Elder Brain you'd lose full control of yourself, at least how I'd say it goes but the answer is less clear for an Intellect Devourer. Of course you'd be fine as long as you stay out of range of any Elder Brains to begin with anyway and Intellect Devourers are often outside of the range of any Illithid or Elder Brains.
I believe we are talking about the body, as in the controlled body via body thief already. After all, I don't even think an Intellect Devourer could cast the spell on itself as that spell has Verbal, Somatic and Material components, but a body under it's control could, if the Intellect Devourer is else wise able to cast the spell.
I do wonder about the lore aspect of this, Intellect Devourers are often considered as controlled by Illithid but I am not sure on the mechanism that works under. At least it's not an Illithid themself, since the moment you got in range of an Elder Brain you'd lose full control of yourself, at least how I'd say it goes but the answer is less clear for an Intellect Devourer. Of course you'd be fine as long as you stay out of range of any Elder Brains to begin with anyway and Intellect Devourers are often outside of the range of any Illithid or Elder Brains.
Correct I was talking about the body not the intellect devourer.
Currently I am already attuned to a ring of mind shielding for this specific reason. It would be really troublesom id I were to fall under the control of an elder brain.
Well ... actually, you're planning to True Polymorph two creatures, aren't you? The poor dead schmuck you're wearing like an Eggar suit, the body of the intellect devourer - and then retain your own mind as the controlling entity. I think that's pushing the boundaries of what the spell can do, or at the very least the boundaries of what it's stated to do. I think that falls under GM fiat.
It is a 9th level spell though. So it's not like it's totally unreasonable to ask =)
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Well ... actually, you're planning to True Polymorph two creatures, aren't you? The poor dead schmuck you're wearing like an Eggar suit, the body of the intellect devourer - and then retain your own mind as the controlling entity. I think that's pushing the boundaries of what the spell can do, or at the very least the boundaries of what it's stated to do. I think that falls under GM fiat.
It is a 9th level spell though. So it's not like it's totally unreasonable to ask =)
It's more "if" the spell affects the intellect devourer, since in body thief it stats the intellect devourer has total cover from everything. So it is more like the statment if it would.
It would make sence if it would but by rules as written.
P.S. the person I am currently controlling isn't really a poor smuck, if anything they have become a very likeable and sane person all of a sudden.
Recently I made a thread regarding the intellect devourer and deathward due to unclear wording. Now I come again with such a regard.
Recently due to some shenanigans, I was able to magic jar an intellect devourer. And thus so far I have been playing the game as such. (Very fun btw)
At some point in our adventure I will get acces to the spell true polymorph. Can I use that to polymorph the body I currently have under control due to body thief, into a different creature without being affected as intellect devourer?
Note, officialy as intellect devourer you can only use body thief on humanoids, my dm is a bit more lenient and allowes me to body thief creatures that have a brain.
Not sure but it sounds like you’re playing an Intellect Devourer in a Magic Jar playing avatar with different creatures. As to the true polymorph and an iD using it to change the stolen body, as a DM, I would have to say no. ( the iD is wearing the body as a suit of armor, so it a complication that tosses a wrench in the true poly idea, but if a druid where to be body thieft, could the wild-shape ability be an option? )
You can already push the limits of the jar and body thief ability, true polymorph will just complicate things to a point of what exactly are you attempting to accomplish here, and as a DM at what point would I have to step in and shut it down? I get it, finding ways to push the limits of what the rules say and what the DM is willing to let slide, but some point the accumulation of all the bending is going to make something break and it will be a mess.
( I like to bend the rules a bit as a DM, but when a player is given enough rope to make a noose, who am I to stop them from using it. And I don’t have a problem with players thinking outside the jar, pun intended, but at some point that jar is going to get full and trying to shove more into it might just cause it to break. )
I would still say it works, there is no reason why the body can't be converted since it's an assumed creature. However I actually would add a caveat on to this on more thinking. You could only True Polymorph to a creature of equal CR to the original body/creature. So if the original body is CR 3, you're limited to true polymorph of CR 3 creatures.
There is also the question of, does the creature regain a brain? If so, is the intellect devourer then forced out? that'd work with a wish spell, True Polymorph, it is harder to determine. Once True Polymorph wears off (if not made permanent), it'd then have no brain and die, if the intellect devourer is forced out.
P.S. the person I am currently controlling isn't really a poor smuck
I think anyone worn like an Eggar suit qualifies as a poor schmuck. No matter who they were in life. The original Eggar weren't precisely a pillar of virtue either =)
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Recently I made a thread regarding the intellect devourer and deathward due to unclear wording. Now I come again with such a regard.
Recently due to some shenanigans, I was able to magic jar an intellect devourer. And thus so far I have been playing the game as such. (Very fun btw)
At some point in our adventure I will get acces to the spell true polymorph. Can I use that to polymorph the body I currently have under control due to body thief, into a different creature without being affected as intellect devourer?
Note, officialy as intellect devourer you can only use body thief on humanoids, my dm is a bit more lenient and allowes me to body thief creatures that have a brain.
I don't see why you couldn't polymorph the Intellect Devourer's body you possess.
I mean more as polymorph the creature that is being controlled by body thief, not the intellect devourer it's self
I believe we are talking about the body, as in the controlled body via body thief already. After all, I don't even think an Intellect Devourer could cast the spell on itself as that spell has Verbal, Somatic and Material components, but a body under it's control could, if the Intellect Devourer is else wise able to cast the spell.
I do wonder about the lore aspect of this, Intellect Devourers are often considered as controlled by Illithid but I am not sure on the mechanism that works under. At least it's not an Illithid themself, since the moment you got in range of an Elder Brain you'd lose full control of yourself, at least how I'd say it goes but the answer is less clear for an Intellect Devourer. Of course you'd be fine as long as you stay out of range of any Elder Brains to begin with anyway and Intellect Devourers are often outside of the range of any Illithid or Elder Brains.
Correct I was talking about the body not the intellect devourer.
Currently I am already attuned to a ring of mind shielding for this specific reason. It would be really troublesom id I were to fall under the control of an elder brain.
Well ... actually, you're planning to True Polymorph two creatures, aren't you? The poor dead schmuck you're wearing like an Eggar suit, the body of the intellect devourer - and then retain your own mind as the controlling entity. I think that's pushing the boundaries of what the spell can do, or at the very least the boundaries of what it's stated to do. I think that falls under GM fiat.
It is a 9th level spell though. So it's not like it's totally unreasonable to ask =)
Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
It's more "if" the spell affects the intellect devourer, since in body thief it stats the intellect devourer has total cover from everything. So it is more like the statment if it would.
It would make sence if it would but by rules as written.
P.S. the person I am currently controlling isn't really a poor smuck, if anything they have become a very likeable and sane person all of a sudden.
Not sure but it sounds like you’re playing an Intellect Devourer in a Magic Jar playing avatar with different creatures.
As to the true polymorph and an iD using it to change the stolen body, as a DM, I would have to say no. ( the iD is wearing the body as a suit of armor, so it a complication that tosses a wrench in the true poly idea, but if a druid where to be body thieft, could the wild-shape ability be an option? )
You can already push the limits of the jar and body thief ability, true polymorph will just complicate things to a point of what exactly are you attempting to accomplish here, and as a DM at what point would I have to step in and shut it down?
I get it, finding ways to push the limits of what the rules say and what the DM is willing to let slide, but some point the accumulation of all the bending is going to make something break and it will be a mess.
( I like to bend the rules a bit as a DM, but when a player is given enough rope to make a noose, who am I to stop them from using it. And I don’t have a problem with players thinking outside the jar, pun intended, but at some point that jar is going to get full and trying to shove more into it might just cause it to break. )
I would still say it works, there is no reason why the body can't be converted since it's an assumed creature. However I actually would add a caveat on to this on more thinking. You could only True Polymorph to a creature of equal CR to the original body/creature. So if the original body is CR 3, you're limited to true polymorph of CR 3 creatures.
There is also the question of, does the creature regain a brain? If so, is the intellect devourer then forced out? that'd work with a wish spell, True Polymorph, it is harder to determine. Once True Polymorph wears off (if not made permanent), it'd then have no brain and die, if the intellect devourer is forced out.
I think anyone worn like an Eggar suit qualifies as a poor schmuck. No matter who they were in life. The original Eggar weren't precisely a pillar of virtue either =)
Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.