I got an idea, that a Bladsinger can Two handed weapon with still Bladesong active.
Before that here is the part where you must compromise with the DM, coz all weapon got some weapon mastery, and all light, finese, got the Nick weapon mastery. If the DM accept that the shadowblade weapon mastery is nick first , then the first turn you cast shadow blade. and then after the sceond turn you Throw the Shadowblade, with the properties light and thrown you can get extra attack. With Nick mastery weapon, the extra attack didnt consume the Bonus Action. now with your bonus action, u summon the shadow blade again, after that you can take the extra attack. because technically you didnt wield 2 weapon at once, the bladesong is still active.
Up to your DM, a thrown Shadow Blade dissipates at the end of the turn. Thereafter, while the spell persists, you can use a bonus action to cause the sword to reappear in your hand.
Also not all Light weapons have the Nick mastery property, Shortsword have Vex for example.
If the DM accept that the shadowblade weapon mastery is nick first
This particular DM would rule that the shadow blade has no mastery properties at all, sorry
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I think this whole post is based on a misunderstanding of the rules, bladesong ends if an attack is made by two-hands. This means bladesong ends if used with a two-handed weapon or a versatile weapon using the versatile property (two handed attack), it does not mean two one-handed weapons as no attack made by either weapon uses two hands, the attacks (individually) only use one hand. You can have a Shadow blade in on hand and a Scimitar in the other hand.
R3sistance explained why Bladesong would not end due to wielding two weapons.
I don't anticipate Shadow Blade being updated to include Weapon Masteries and I don't anticipate Bladesinging to gain access to Weapon Masteries.
I don't have my book handy, but Eldritch Knight, on the other hand, will be able to use Weapon Masteries with Shadow Blade when Fighters gain the ability to always have access to certain Weapon Masteries.
I thought Bladesong will end if wielding 2 weapons, coz it said "if you use two hands to make a weapons attack" why not said if you use two handed weapon for clearer explanation. Thx though. Gonna make my bladesinger 2 handed weapon then.
I thought Bladesong will end if wielding 2 weapons, coz it said "if you use two hands to make a weapons attack" why not said if you use two handed weapon for clearer explanation. Thx though. Gonna make my bladesinger 2 handed weapon then.
It ends early if you use two hands to make an attack with a weapon.
If you use two weapons, each attack is made with one hand. If you use a Two -handed weapon or a Versatile weapon in two hands, you have made an attack with two hands and Bladesong ends.
I thought Bladesong will end if wielding 2 weapons, coz it said "if you use two hands to make a weapons attack" why not said if you use two handed weapon for clearer explanation. Thx though. Gonna make my bladesinger 2 handed weapon then.
There are multiple ways to "use two hands to make a weapon attack": 1) two-handed weapon 2) versatile weapon held in two hands 3) Unarmed Fighting Style has an option to attack with both hands at once for increased damage 4) using an improvised weapon in two hands.
I thought Bladesong will end if wielding 2 weapons, coz it said "if you use two hands to make a weapons attack" why not said if you use two handed weapon for clearer explanation. Thx though. Gonna make my bladesinger 2 handed weapon then.
There are multiple ways to "use two hands to make a weapon attack": 1) two-handed weapon 2) versatile weapon held in two hands 3) Unarmed Fighting Style has an option to attack with both hands at once for increased damage 4) using an improvised weapon in two hands.
#3 is not quite right; that feat just says that you do more damage with an unarmed strike if you're not holding weapons or a shield in your hands. You don't need to use any hands at all to make an unarmed strike — the rules explicitly allow other things like kicks and headbutts. And the feat's bonus damage still applies if you're holding things other than weapons in your hands.
I thought Bladesong will end if wielding 2 weapons, coz it said "if you use two hands to make a weapons attack" why not said if you use two handed weapon for clearer explanation. Thx though. Gonna make my bladesinger 2 handed weapon then.
There are multiple ways to "use two hands to make a weapon attack": 1) two-handed weapon 2) versatile weapon held in two hands 3) Unarmed Fighting Style has an option to attack with both hands at once for increased damage 4) using an improvised weapon in two hands.
#3 is not quite right; that feat just says that you do more damage with an unarmed strike if you're not holding weapons or a shield in your hands. You don't need to use any hands at all to make an unarmed strike — the rules explicitly allow other things like kicks and headbutts. And the feat's bonus damage still applies if you're holding things other than weapons in your hands.
You are correct. The Fighting Style changes the damage to a d6 and, if you aren't holding a weapon or shield, the damage further increases to a d8. It looks like Unarmed attacks are fully compatible with Bladesinging except for the Song of Victory feature.
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I got an idea, that a Bladsinger can Two handed weapon with still Bladesong active.
Before that here is the part where you must compromise with the DM, coz all weapon got some weapon mastery, and all light, finese, got the Nick weapon mastery. If the DM accept that the shadowblade weapon mastery is nick first , then the first turn you cast shadow blade. and then after the sceond turn you Throw the Shadowblade, with the properties light and thrown you can get extra attack. With Nick mastery weapon, the extra attack didnt consume the Bonus Action. now with your bonus action, u summon the shadow blade again, after that you can take the extra attack. because technically you didnt wield 2 weapon at once, the bladesong is still active.
What do you guys think? does it work that way?
This particular DM would rule that the shadow blade has no mastery properties at all, sorry
Active characters:
Green Hill Sunrise, jaded tabaxi mercenary trapped in the Dark Domains (Battle Master fighter)
Mardan Ferres, elven private investigator obsessed with that one unsolved murder (rogue)
Xhekhetiel, halfling survivor of a Betrayer Gods cult (Runechild sorcerer/fighter)
Yeah,.. as long as the DM didnt rule it , can't make this work..
I think this whole post is based on a misunderstanding of the rules, bladesong ends if an attack is made by two-hands. This means bladesong ends if used with a two-handed weapon or a versatile weapon using the versatile property (two handed attack), it does not mean two one-handed weapons as no attack made by either weapon uses two hands, the attacks (individually) only use one hand. You can have a Shadow blade in on hand and a Scimitar in the other hand.
R3sistance explained why Bladesong would not end due to wielding two weapons.
I don't anticipate Shadow Blade being updated to include Weapon Masteries and I don't anticipate Bladesinging to gain access to Weapon Masteries.
I don't have my book handy, but Eldritch Knight, on the other hand, will be able to use Weapon Masteries with Shadow Blade when Fighters gain the ability to always have access to certain Weapon Masteries.
I thought Bladesong will end if wielding 2 weapons, coz it said "if you use two hands to make a weapons attack" why not said if you use two handed weapon for clearer explanation.
Thx though. Gonna make my bladesinger 2 handed weapon then.
It ends early if you use two hands to make an attack with a weapon.
If you use two weapons, each attack is made with one hand. If you use a Two -handed weapon or a Versatile weapon in two hands, you have made an attack with two hands and Bladesong ends.
There are multiple ways to "use two hands to make a weapon attack":
1) two-handed weapon
2) versatile weapon held in two hands
3) Unarmed Fighting Style has an option to attack with both hands at once for increased damage
4) using an improvised weapon in two hands.
#3 is not quite right; that feat just says that you do more damage with an unarmed strike if you're not holding weapons or a shield in your hands. You don't need to use any hands at all to make an unarmed strike — the rules explicitly allow other things like kicks and headbutts. And the feat's bonus damage still applies if you're holding things other than weapons in your hands.
You are correct. The Fighting Style changes the damage to a d6 and, if you aren't holding a weapon or shield, the damage further increases to a d8. It looks like Unarmed attacks are fully compatible with Bladesinging except for the Song of Victory feature.