I noticed that all of the named spells, items, and monsters have not (yet?) been added. So you will not find the dragon, Tiamat, or the sword, Hazirawn.
I must say that I am rather miffed about having to make a Twitch account to log in - maybe you guys want to add that short info about Curse and Twitch basically being the same to the login page at least?
But whatever, let's add another to the bagload of logins we already have.
1) there is always a reason for sign in to a service like this. The part of the beta they have revealed so far does not save data but the forum system is integrated into the SSO system with twitch. Late feature definitely require an account system and the beta is not just testing the view of compendium/spells/items, etc but it is also testing the authentication system while not exposing any sensitive data during the test.
I see a lot of people trying to enlighten us all about the big picture but just coming across as corporate apologists. Remember to distinguish between reasons that the consumer cares about and reasons the company cares about.
Consumers want a product that is feature-rich, secure, and bug-free, but not inconvenient or annoying to use. Future features don't negate immediate annoyance. We can only give feedback on what we have now.
2) Lots of people who are gamers have twitch accounts. Your assumption that not a lot of people have twitch accounts is an opinion based around your perspective. The real numbers show from twitch show that many people do in fact have twitch accounts. I have seen at least 5 million people view one stream or another myself so that is not a small amount of people. In Fact that is more people than I can invite to my house to set around my table... Also, Curse made this app and Wotc endorsed it as an official product. Curse is moving towards having all their services use twitch as an SSO authority because it means developing new apps don't need to have whole new authentication systems built from scratch to get started. Developing software is costly and the more code and systems you can reuse the better.
"A lot" is relative. Clearly plenty of people in this thread didn't already have those accounts. Facebook and Google are an order of magnitude over Twitch in number of users. Your opinion that Twitch is common is also an opinion based on your perspective.
Curse wanting to use SSO, reuse, etc. are company reasons, not consumer reasons. If they can't point their authentication systems at a different database fairly easily then they're doing reusable code wrong.
3) you have none because you are on the Internet. Google, Facebook, Amazon, all of them know how white your teeth are and what size underwear you wear when you dress up like superman on Saturday nights. If you want privacy delete all your accounts and move to Antarctica and live off the grid in a tent.
Corporate apologia. Let people choose their exposure. Even if it's a pyrrhic choice, it improves the user's opinion of the company and the product.
4) its their app, they will do what works for them, and they have a right to make money off the product they make, and you are welcome to voice your complaints, but you are just as welcome to not use it.
I was going to ignore this comment because it's utterly pointless, but instead i'm going to point that out in the hopes that others see this and stop making the same one over and over. Yes. All of that is true, but as someone who seems to want to see the big picture, you should also realize that part of the point of beta is to use the feedback they get to make the product more appealing so that people want to use it.
Behold - a feedback thread about something that people don't like about the product complete with a bunch of suggestions on what would make it more appealing! This is the process.
Attempts to shut down these conversations are actually contrary to the purpose of the beta.
You got me, I am in fact a Corporate Apologia, And a Conservative, And I voted Trump, and I have never set something that someone else owns on fire. I guess I will just have to learn to live with myself.
You got me, I am in fact a Corporate Apologia, And a Conservative, And I voted Trump, and I have never set something that someone else owns on fire. I guess I will just have to learn to live with myself.
that is quite the burn you just made there my fellow Trump Supporter, carry on! :D
I see there are some on this forum that do not understand the anti-Twitch point of view. It is true that a Twitch account is free, takes only a minute to sign up, there's plenty of cross-domain info about everyone already, and no one is twisting anyone's arm to participate in the beta or use the new tool set. All valid points.
My first problem with it is one of security. Signing up for a Twitch account is just one more site with a database of my email address and gods-know what else that provides yet another vector for attack. I now have another team of admins responsible for guarding my security. Given the OAuth 2.0 protocol already exists, signing up for another account seems superfluous for authentication and authorization. How does Twitch handle their data? Is the database encrypted? Salted? Hashed? What algorithms are in being used? Is my IP address being stored? Under what circumstances will my data be given to other commercial interests? How about given to authorities? How many times have they been asked for such information? How many times have they complied? These are questions we should all be mindful of with every account we create online.
The second problem is one of deciding with whom I do business. I have been purchasing products from WotC, and TSR before them for decades. While I know what Twitch is, I have no need for it in my life. I have never watched a Twitch stream and barring something extraordinary, I have no plans to do so. If I'm a long-time purchaser of Ford vehicles, I don't expect to have to get Harley Davidson credentials to log into my Ford account (WotC and Twitch are both gaming, Ford and HD are both vehicles...maybe that's a stretch). How long do I have before I have to start giving my Twitch ID at a convention instead of my DCI?
But my real problem with it is it makes me feel like I'm the product. I'm done being the product. I'm done being tracked. I'm done being marketed to. I use fine-grained script-blocking to allow what I have to get a site to work, and prevent everything else. I get very little in the way of advertising and have kept it that way for years. Twitch's business model is none of my concern and I do not want to be a part of it. Will the WotC/Twitch relationship and integration advance to the point where there is simply no getting around it, and I'm forced to abandon Adventurer's League at conventions? My group jumped ship when LFR was dead and did PFS for a couple of years. But I like 5th ed and don't really want to go back.
I know this is pretty heavy stuff for a simple beta test. Maybe there's a Curse engineer reading this thinking "Jeez man, we just did it because it was an easy integration to get the beta underway!" And that's fine. But it is my hope in writing this rant for what appears to be a pretty polarizing issue right off the bat, that WotC/Curse/Twitch take these concerns seriously, and quickly move to provide additional authentication options.
Twitch is trying to become an all-use account (in part because Amazon is trying to become the place you do everything). Doesn't bother me to sign-up with Twitch, and I find it funny that people don't like creating a Twitch account to sign up, even though the other option would be creating a DnD or WotC account to sign-up. Just change the title from Twitch to other relevant account and you would have to do the same thing.
You are welcome to your opinions, you are welcome to express them (Not my call but I am just saying). However, my opinion remains that this is much ado about nothing... much love and live on lightning man!
Linking to Amazon directly to show you have purchased the hard copy books is a great point. I was debating if they would offer something like this as a way to show that if you buy the hardcopy you get the digital included. This would be one way to those of us who buy their books through amazon.
Why aren't the spell's set in their actual names? For example "Tiny Hut" instead of "Leomund's Tiny Hut" or "Acid Arrow" instead of "Melf's Acid Arrow". Why are the titles lost? It really throws off my searching for spells. It's a little nit-picky for sure, but the spell names I have memorized are not the spell names on the list, and it makes me think "Oh, this spell isn't on the list" only to realize it's there, but under a different name.
Because those are the names of those spells in the SRD. The beta only used the SRD (ergo the stuff people cane us for OGL content) for right now. When it's released it'll have full access.
Linking to Amazon directly to show you have purchased the hard copy books is a great point. I was debating if they would offer something like this as a way to show that if you buy the hardcopy you get the digital included. This would be one way to those of us who buy their books through amazon.
I just don't see this as financially viable for the company in any way. This company wasn't involved in the making or selling of 5e. Why would they take a huge cost sink like giving away their product (thus their time and money) to everyone who owns a PHB? Which would be virtually everyone who would even be interested in this program or application. You're (ostensibly) getting a lot of convenience and value out of the app, surely that's worth paying for.
I noticed that all of the named spells, items, and monsters have not (yet?) been added. So you will not find the dragon, Tiamat, or the sword, Hazirawn.
I must say that I am rather miffed about having to make a Twitch account to log in - maybe you guys want to add that short info about Curse and Twitch basically being the same to the login page at least?
But whatever, let's add another to the bagload of logins we already have.
Many people complaign about needing to log in with twitch, but they are still here showing the bar of entry isen't to high.
Stupid decision, make it just an email sign up!
I'll just leave this here
http://www.pcgamer.com/the-twitch-desktop-app-begins-open-beta-testing-later-this-month/
Easy Peasy! BTW I am testing on three platforms,laptop, ipad, iphone but saw no apps yet...everything acessed by the website?! Couldn't find the apps.
I see a lot of people trying to enlighten us all about the big picture but just coming across as corporate apologists. Remember to distinguish between reasons that the consumer cares about and reasons the company cares about.
Consumers want a product that is feature-rich, secure, and bug-free, but not inconvenient or annoying to use. Future features don't negate immediate annoyance. We can only give feedback on what we have now.
"A lot" is relative. Clearly plenty of people in this thread didn't already have those accounts. Facebook and Google are an order of magnitude over Twitch in number of users. Your opinion that Twitch is common is also an opinion based on your perspective.
Curse wanting to use SSO, reuse, etc. are company reasons, not consumer reasons. If they can't point their authentication systems at a different database fairly easily then they're doing reusable code wrong.
Corporate apologia. Let people choose their exposure. Even if it's a pyrrhic choice, it improves the user's opinion of the company and the product.
I was going to ignore this comment because it's utterly pointless, but instead i'm going to point that out in the hopes that others see this and stop making the same one over and over. Yes. All of that is true, but as someone who seems to want to see the big picture, you should also realize that part of the point of beta is to use the feedback they get to make the product more appealing so that people want to use it.
Behold - a feedback thread about something that people don't like about the product complete with a bunch of suggestions on what would make it more appealing! This is the process.
Attempts to shut down these conversations are actually contrary to the purpose of the beta.
Mutak,
You got me, I am in fact a Corporate Apologia, And a Conservative, And I voted Trump, and I have never set something that someone else owns on fire. I guess I will just have to learn to live with myself.
I see there are some on this forum that do not understand the anti-Twitch point of view. It is true that a Twitch account is free, takes only a minute to sign up, there's plenty of cross-domain info about everyone already, and no one is twisting anyone's arm to participate in the beta or use the new tool set. All valid points.
My first problem with it is one of security. Signing up for a Twitch account is just one more site with a database of my email address and gods-know what else that provides yet another vector for attack. I now have another team of admins responsible for guarding my security. Given the OAuth 2.0 protocol already exists, signing up for another account seems superfluous for authentication and authorization. How does Twitch handle their data? Is the database encrypted? Salted? Hashed? What algorithms are in being used? Is my IP address being stored? Under what circumstances will my data be given to other commercial interests? How about given to authorities? How many times have they been asked for such information? How many times have they complied? These are questions we should all be mindful of with every account we create online.
The second problem is one of deciding with whom I do business. I have been purchasing products from WotC, and TSR before them for decades. While I know what Twitch is, I have no need for it in my life. I have never watched a Twitch stream and barring something extraordinary, I have no plans to do so. If I'm a long-time purchaser of Ford vehicles, I don't expect to have to get Harley Davidson credentials to log into my Ford account (WotC and Twitch are both gaming, Ford and HD are both vehicles...maybe that's a stretch). How long do I have before I have to start giving my Twitch ID at a convention instead of my DCI?
But my real problem with it is it makes me feel like I'm the product. I'm done being the product. I'm done being tracked. I'm done being marketed to. I use fine-grained script-blocking to allow what I have to get a site to work, and prevent everything else. I get very little in the way of advertising and have kept it that way for years. Twitch's business model is none of my concern and I do not want to be a part of it. Will the WotC/Twitch relationship and integration advance to the point where there is simply no getting around it, and I'm forced to abandon Adventurer's League at conventions? My group jumped ship when LFR was dead and did PFS for a couple of years. But I like 5th ed and don't really want to go back.
I know this is pretty heavy stuff for a simple beta test. Maybe there's a Curse engineer reading this thinking "Jeez man, we just did it because it was an easy integration to get the beta underway!" And that's fine. But it is my hope in writing this rant for what appears to be a pretty polarizing issue right off the bat, that WotC/Curse/Twitch take these concerns seriously, and quickly move to provide additional authentication options.
Thanks!
Not sure if it's wise to step into this thread yet, but I'm a bold guy...
Wanted to touch base and say that we appreciate the feedback here and definitely "hear" you. Please remember that this is the first phase of the beta!
Thanks again for the feedback and the interest - looking forward to the rest of the adventure.
Twitch is trying to become an all-use account (in part because Amazon is trying to become the place you do everything). Doesn't bother me to sign-up with Twitch, and I find it funny that people don't like creating a Twitch account to sign up, even though the other option would be creating a DnD or WotC account to sign-up. Just change the title from Twitch to other relevant account and you would have to do the same thing.
Mutak,
You are welcome to your opinions, you are welcome to express them (Not my call but I am just saying). However, my opinion remains that this is much ado about nothing... much love and live on lightning man!
Linking to Amazon directly to show you have purchased the hard copy books is a great point. I was debating if they would offer something like this as a way to show that if you buy the hardcopy you get the digital included. This would be one way to those of us who buy their books through amazon.
Thanks for the answer. That makes sense.
I think it is safe to say that you will not be required to have a Twitch account to log in to DDB once it goes public.