Great news! We keep our coveted OGL 1.0a and SRD 5.1 is now being released under a CC lience. Woohoo!
How will WotC/Hasbro sell One D&D when it releases though? Will they release a new OGL/SRD on the same terms as they did for 5e? I wouldn't bet on that happening...
But if they don't, we'll all 'rebel' and stick with playing 5e won't we? How can they then force us to buy One D&D products and get money out of us?
The answer is simple. I predict they'll label 5e content, such as the PHB, DMG, etc, on DDB as 'Legacy Content' and stop selling it in both digital and physical forms, like they did with Monsters of the Multiverse. People coming in new to the hobby will be forced to buy One D&D. Perhaps they step up the pressure even more and make their VTT only compatible with One D&D or 'current' content. Regardless, with the WotC 5e books we're currently using to play excellent 3rd party content with via the OGL/SRD, it all becomes a bit redundant when they're no longer on sale and people are then forced to 'upgrade' to One D&D and therefore be subject to whatever new restrictive terms they put in place with that :-/
We've all seen how devious and underhand WotC/Hasbro has been so despite this victory for us (the people standing between Hasbro/WotC and our hard-earned money) the fight is not over. Let's see how things shape up as One D&D plans get announced and see what BS they try pulling...
I'm really sorry to say that after years of playing D&D, my faith has been severely impacted by their recent BS. Trust is easy to lose and hard to regain.
How will WotC/Hasbro sell One D&D when it releases though? Will they release a new OGL/SRD on the same terms as they did for 5e? I wouldn't bet on that happening...
To be honest, if they don't want to do that, then that's their right. It's a new edition, and WoTC can release it under any license they want. It's not like the situation with 5e, where WoTC was trying to take away the license retroactively after third-party content creators had already come to depend on it.
That said, I think the history of 4e and 5e shows that it would be foolish to not release an SRD for 6e. Third-party content support for 5e clearly helped make the game a success.
Moving forward, we can make anything we want out of it.
Players guide gone? Creators make a new one. using SRD. DMG gone? same thing...
Except for saving a bit of time by having to remake some monsters. making the current 5e into "Legacy stuff" would not affect the playability of a future 5e.
All they have to do is make the game fun, and people will go to it naturally, if the game is fun the license wont really matter too much. and by releasing 5E under CC, they basically said "hey we are so confident in OneD&D we are making 5E free forever" because now their biggest competitor is themselves. Chances are OneD&D will have a pretty forgiving license if its not under 1.0a, but their VTT will prob be the only VTT allowed to use OneD&D.
But the main reason people were mad about the OGL 1.0a wasnt because of OneD&D it was because of 3.5 and many other 3pp who have made content over the last 20 years who released under the 1.0a OGL. (personally if my game wasn't an srd game i wouldn't have done this and would have used something like CC). but now those people don't have to worry. (i still think going forward i would never use OGL 1.0a if you are not using the 3.5 SRD).
I am currently in the beginning stages of publishing and was going to go with the OGL, until a few weeks ago.. now, the CCL is the way to go I think. I won't have access to a few of the things I wanted out of 3.5e, but that is ok...
I still need to figure out if 3rd party content license under OGL is useable in the CCL though. Probably not. I need to read up on it.
Makes you question if we need OneDnD at all at the moment, given their recent grasp of the Fanbase you wonder what is driving this other than the desire to sell a new set of books (and their new VTT). Maybe they should just keep 5E going for another 5 years or so and concentrate on producing better content for that. Lets see a survey on that.
It is also possible they will cut their losses and accept that there is little growth for D&D (company) in the TTRGP now. So they will push D&D IP products instead that are not harmed by 1.0A. Things like Video games, movies, TV and Books.
You normally don't stop milking a "cash cow". They might declare it legacy content, and stop development and print products eventually, but, especially as it is now, and with 5e under creative commons it would be outright dumb to stopp selling the digital 5e content soon(tm) - they have to provide it for anyone who bought it digital anyway . As everything in business, they'll look at profit, and make further decisions from there on.
Edit: OneD&D might be a totally other businessmodel alltogether, digital only, subscription type (player, dm, group), microtransactions galore, and they can release it under any new form of new license they want, hugging the vtt for this iteration of D&D or any other part as close as they want - but it will be subject to all the things any other new game is: Have a target audiencewith disposable income and being so much fun that enough people hop on their train to be very profitable, or end up on the garbage dump.
It is also possible they will cut their losses and accept that there is little growth for D&D (company) in the TTRGP now. So they will push D&D IP products instead that are not harmed by 1.0A. Things like Video games, movies, TV and Books.
Seems they cancelled a lot of the video games, they seem short of creative ideas and are just rehashing a lot of the old stuff. I'm playing in a "Saltmarsh" 5E campaign at the moment but even then that's an update to a 30 year old adventure (albeit a classic). I have no idea why they think a new Core ruleset is going to help them at the moment.
But they know now that will are prepared to destroy them to the last consecuences, that they are walking in really thin ice... They have learned the lesson, trust me.
It is also possible they will cut their losses and accept that there is little growth for D&D (company) in the TTRGP now. So they will push D&D IP products instead that are not harmed by 1.0A. Things like Video games, movies, TV and Books.
Seems they cancelled a lot of the video games, they seem short of creative ideas and are just rehashing a lot of the old stuff. I'm playing in a "Saltmarsh" 5E campaign at the moment but even then that's an update to a 30 year old adventure (albeit a classic). I have no idea why they think a new Core ruleset is going to help them at the moment.
I would honestly not be surprised if ONE DnD is canceled at this point. With out protection of 1.2 there is little to gain from the effort. They are better off letting the "community" curate the Rules, and just to publish their own and other Modules. this will save them from a lot of unwanted backlash they receive over rules and changes to them. And would let them spend more money on their IP which is still in their control.
Great news! We keep our coveted OGL 1.0a and SRD 5.1 is now being released under a CC lience. Woohoo!
How will WotC/Hasbro sell One D&D when it releases though? Will they release a new OGL/SRD on the same terms as they did for 5e? I wouldn't bet on that happening...
But if they don't, we'll all 'rebel' and stick with playing 5e won't we? How can they then force us to buy One D&D products and get money out of us?
The answer is simple. I predict they'll label 5e content, such as the PHB, DMG, etc, on DDB as 'Legacy Content' and stop selling it in both digital and physical forms, like they did with Monsters of the Multiverse. People coming in new to the hobby will be forced to buy One D&D. Perhaps they step up the pressure even more and make their VTT only compatible with One D&D or 'current' content. Regardless, with the WotC 5e books we're currently using to play excellent 3rd party content with via the OGL/SRD, it all becomes a bit redundant when they're no longer on sale and people are then forced to 'upgrade' to One D&D and therefore be subject to whatever new restrictive terms they put in place with that :-/
We've all seen how devious and underhand WotC/Hasbro has been so despite this victory for us (the people standing between Hasbro/WotC and our hard-earned money) the fight is not over. Let's see how things shape up as One D&D plans get announced and see what BS they try pulling...
I'm really sorry to say that after years of playing D&D, my faith has been severely impacted by their recent BS. Trust is easy to lose and hard to regain.
Edit - Typo
Well it will be a new edition so what do you expect? To keep putting out 5E content? How much 3E or 4E products is WotC selling? Yes it’s supposed to be backwards compatible but that doesn’t mean they will keep producing 5E products. Why would they. Let 3PP do that if they want and can make money doing so.
Of course they’re going to stop selling the old edition when the new one comes out. What else would they do? Paizo doesn’t sell pathfinder 1e. You can’t buy earlier editions of shadowrun. Or any other game system. And yeah, some people will stick with 5e. Some people are still playing 1,2 and 3e. Maybe even 4. They always do.
Every game system updates its rules periodically. Games evolve, people realize some things didn’t work, or think of new things that do work. That doesn’t make it a money grab. If anything is unusual this time around, it’s that it’s been so long since the last time they did.
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Great news! We keep our coveted OGL 1.0a and SRD 5.1 is now being released under a CC lience. Woohoo!
How will WotC/Hasbro sell One D&D when it releases though? Will they release a new OGL/SRD on the same terms as they did for 5e? I wouldn't bet on that happening...
But if they don't, we'll all 'rebel' and stick with playing 5e won't we? How can they then force us to buy One D&D products and get money out of us?
The answer is simple. I predict they'll label 5e content, such as the PHB, DMG, etc, on DDB as 'Legacy Content' and stop selling it in both digital and physical forms, like they did with Monsters of the Multiverse. People coming in new to the hobby will be forced to buy One D&D. Perhaps they step up the pressure even more and make their VTT only compatible with One D&D or 'current' content. Regardless, with the WotC 5e books we're currently using to play excellent 3rd party content with via the OGL/SRD, it all becomes a bit redundant when they're no longer on sale and people are then forced to 'upgrade' to One D&D and therefore be subject to whatever new restrictive terms they put in place with that :-/
We've all seen how devious and underhand WotC/Hasbro has been so despite this victory for us (the people standing between Hasbro/WotC and our hard-earned money) the fight is not over. Let's see how things shape up as One D&D plans get announced and see what BS they try pulling...
I'm really sorry to say that after years of playing D&D, my faith has been severely impacted by their recent BS. Trust is easy to lose and hard to regain.
Edit - Typo
To be honest, if they don't want to do that, then that's their right. It's a new edition, and WoTC can release it under any license they want. It's not like the situation with 5e, where WoTC was trying to take away the license retroactively after third-party content creators had already come to depend on it.
That said, I think the history of 4e and 5e shows that it would be foolish to not release an SRD for 6e. Third-party content support for 5e clearly helped make the game a success.
I am still ok with them making 5e Legacy...
The 5e SRD is now in the hand of the players.
Moving forward, we can make anything we want out of it.
Players guide gone? Creators make a new one. using SRD. DMG gone? same thing...
Except for saving a bit of time by having to remake some monsters. making the current 5e into "Legacy stuff" would not affect the playability of a future 5e.
All they have to do is make the game fun, and people will go to it naturally, if the game is fun the license wont really matter too much. and by releasing 5E under CC, they basically said "hey we are so confident in OneD&D we are making 5E free forever" because now their biggest competitor is themselves. Chances are OneD&D will have a pretty forgiving license if its not under 1.0a, but their VTT will prob be the only VTT allowed to use OneD&D.
But the main reason people were mad about the OGL 1.0a wasnt because of OneD&D it was because of 3.5 and many other 3pp who have made content over the last 20 years who released under the 1.0a OGL. (personally if my game wasn't an srd game i wouldn't have done this and would have used something like CC). but now those people don't have to worry. (i still think going forward i would never use OGL 1.0a if you are not using the 3.5 SRD).
Zertyx, I agree with all of you post :)
I am currently in the beginning stages of publishing and was going to go with the OGL, until a few weeks ago.. now, the CCL is the way to go I think. I won't have access to a few of the things I wanted out of 3.5e, but that is ok...
I still need to figure out if 3rd party content license under OGL is useable in the CCL though. Probably not. I need to read up on it.
Makes you question if we need OneDnD at all at the moment, given their recent grasp of the Fanbase you wonder what is driving this other than the desire to sell a new set of books (and their new VTT). Maybe they should just keep 5E going for another 5 years or so and concentrate on producing better content for that. Lets see a survey on that.
It is also possible they will cut their losses and accept that there is little growth for D&D (company) in the TTRGP now. So they will push D&D IP products instead that are not harmed by 1.0A. Things like Video games, movies, TV and Books.
You normally don't stop milking a "cash cow". They might declare it legacy content, and stop development and print products eventually, but, especially as it is now, and with 5e under creative commons it would be outright dumb to stopp selling the digital 5e content soon(tm) - they have to provide it for anyone who bought it digital anyway . As everything in business, they'll look at profit, and make further decisions from there on.
Edit: OneD&D might be a totally other businessmodel alltogether, digital only, subscription type (player, dm, group), microtransactions galore, and they can release it under any new form of new license they want, hugging the vtt for this iteration of D&D or any other part as close as they want - but it will be subject to all the things any other new game is: Have a target audience with disposable income and being so much fun that enough people hop on their train to be very profitable, or end up on the garbage dump.
Seems they cancelled a lot of the video games, they seem short of creative ideas and are just rehashing a lot of the old stuff. I'm playing in a "Saltmarsh" 5E campaign at the moment but even then that's an update to a 30 year old adventure (albeit a classic). I have no idea why they think a new Core ruleset is going to help them at the moment.
But they know now that will are prepared to destroy them to the last consecuences, that they are walking in really thin ice... They have learned the lesson, trust me.
I would honestly not be surprised if ONE DnD is canceled at this point. With out protection of 1.2 there is little to gain from the effort. They are better off letting the "community" curate the Rules, and just to publish their own and other Modules. this will save them from a lot of unwanted backlash they receive over rules and changes to them. And would let them spend more money on their IP which is still in their control.
Well it will be a new edition so what do you expect? To keep putting out 5E content? How much 3E or 4E products is WotC selling? Yes it’s supposed to be backwards compatible but that doesn’t mean they will keep producing 5E products. Why would they. Let 3PP do that if they want and can make money doing so.
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Of course they’re going to stop selling the old edition when the new one comes out. What else would they do? Paizo doesn’t sell pathfinder 1e. You can’t buy earlier editions of shadowrun. Or any other game system. And yeah, some people will stick with 5e. Some people are still playing 1,2 and 3e. Maybe even 4. They always do.
Every game system updates its rules periodically. Games evolve, people realize some things didn’t work, or think of new things that do work. That doesn’t make it a money grab. If anything is unusual this time around, it’s that it’s been so long since the last time they did.