2024 Dwarven Stonecunning: As a Bonus Action, you gain Tremorsense with a range of 60 feet for 10 minutes. You must be on a stone surface or touching a stone surface to use this Tremorsense. The stone can be natural or worked. You can use this Bonus Action a number of times equal to your Proficiency Bonus, and you regain all expended uses when you finish a Long Rest. (Note: Walls, Floors and Ceilings you are touching)
From Free Rules Glossary: A creature with Tremorsense can pinpoint the location of creatures and moving objects within a specific range, provided that the creature with Tremorsense and anything it is detecting are both in contact with the same surface (such as the ground, a wall, or a ceiling) or the same liquid. Tremorsense can’t detect creatures or objects in the air, and it doesn’t count as a form of sight. (Note: only stone for Dwarven Stonecunning.)
I placed these two together because the Dwarven Stonecunning by itself left me to question how big an area you could do it if you were standing on a stone boulder in the middle of a lake. Was getting into could i wear a stone amulet or ring to activate
Nope, has to be on an all contiguous area of stone (worked or natural) per the Tremorsense rules. Just place this here to help with anyone else a little confused by the Dwarven power.
I placed these two together because the Dwarven Stonecunning by itself left me to question how big an area you could do it if you were standing on a stone boulder in the middle of a lake. Was getting into could i wear a stone amulet or ring to activate
Nope
No, but yes? I think "Yes, but ..." is the current trend.
Sure, you can use Stonecunning on a boulder in the middle of a lake or with a stone amulet or ring, or other stone objects (pillars/columns, rods, weapons, etc.), but it would be limited by Tremorsense normally.
What this means is that with the boulder, you could sense creatures coming into contact with the boulder or the lapping/swelling of the lake water. With a stone amulet or ring, it sounds silly, but change it to a stone rod and you can sense everyone touching it. Use it to navigate your party through an area of darkness/fog. Yes, if the area was stone, you could do it anyway, but this way, you can better justify knowing that these 5 bodies are us and those 5 bodies are them.
My understanding is that a dwarf standing on a boulder in the middle of a lake could pinpoint the location of creatures and moving objects within 60 feet that is in contact with the same stone surface, that continue underwater.
If the dwarf would go in the lake instead, it could pinpoint the location of creatures and moving objects within 60 feet that is in contact with the same water surface. EDIT While Tremorsense allow detection on liquid, Stonecunning is limited to stone surface.
My understanding is that a dwarf standing on a boulder in the middle of a lake could pinpoint the location of creatures and moving objects within 60 feet that is in contact with the same stone surface, that continue underwater.
If the dwarf would go in the lake instead, it could pinpoint the location of creatures and moving objects within 60 feet that is in contact with the same water surface.
I can see the RAW allowance for that. However, that goes down the path of "I carry a stone with me so I can activate Tremorsense on any surface."
I think given that you have to be on a stone surface or touching a stone surface to use the Tremorsense and you use Tremorsense by sensing along a surface or liquid, that Stonecunning limits the Tremorsense to stone surfaces only, RAI if not RAW.
My understanding is that a dwarf standing on a boulder in the middle of a lake could pinpoint the location of creatures and moving objects within 60 feet that is in contact with the same stone surface, that continue underwater.
If the dwarf would go in the lake instead, it could pinpoint the location of creatures and moving objects within 60 feet that is in contact with the same water surface.
I can see the RAW allowance for that. However, that goes down the path of "I carry a stone with me so I can activate Tremorsense on any surface."
I think given that you have to be on a stone surface or touching a stone surface to use the Tremorsense and you use Tremorsense by sensing along a surface or liquid, that Stonecunning limits the Tremorsense to stone surfaces only, RAI if not RAW.
I forgot and edited my post because while Tremorsense allow detection on liquid, Stonecunning is limited to stone surface.
While the dwarf can activate Stonecunning anytime as a Bonus Action, it has to touch or be on the same stone surface as the creature in range to detect it.
Simply carrying stone and touching it would only allow you to detect other creature touching the same stone.
Yeah I think this is going to be one of those areas where DMs have to make rulings off the cuff. Like sure the amulet thing will be a no. but in a cavern with a thin layer of dirt over its stone base, maybe. i'd say yes. But the ambiguity makes it a tougher call. like on the other extreme of the amulet, a stone floored palace with a thin runner carpet would anyone say people on the carpet aren't detected by it. By a super strict reading they aren't in contact with the stone. Where that dividing line of its not longer contact with stone will change DM to DM.
I forgot and edited my post because while Tremorsense allow detection on liquid, Stonecunning is limited to stone surface.
While the dwarf can activate Stonecunning anytime as a Bonus Action, it has to touch or be on the same stone surface as the creature in range to detect it.
Simply carrying stone and touching it would only allow you to detect other creature touching the same stone.
Ah. I thought you were trying to make the point that technically Stonecunning gives the Dwarf Tremorsense and the Dwarf must be touching stone to activate it, but the actual Tremorsense is not explicitly limited to stone surfaces. We are on the same page (stone?) then.
just to be a pedant. it just says you have to be touching stone to use the tremor sense, not that the tremorsense only works through the stone being touched. if you are standing ankle deep in an underground lake, RAW you can activate this ability and detect through the water since you are on the stone and touching the water. obviously RAI is that it's just the stone though.
Jeremy Crawford: That is a part of the theme that we had with the species, which was to really lean into the fantasy of each one, this is why dwarves now have Tremorsense that they can use a certain number of times a day, wanting to lean harder into what is the reasonant fantasy of each of these peoples and part of that with dwarves with their connection with the earth, let's give them this really remarkable ability a certain number of times per day to sense things through the earth itself....
I'd say it's meant more for a situation where the dwarf is on a mountainside and any creatures within 60' of him likely would be as well... or the dwarf is in a cavern and the same situation applies.
I placed these two together because the Dwarven Stonecunning by itself left me to question how big an area you could do it if you were standing on a stone boulder in the middle of a lake. Was getting into could i wear a stone amulet or ring to activate
Nope
No, but yes? I think "Yes, but ..." is the current trend.
Sure, you can use Stonecunning on a boulder in the middle of a lake or with a stone amulet or ring, or other stone objects (pillars/columns, rods, weapons, etc.), but it would be limited by Tremorsense normally.
What this means is that with the boulder, you could sense creatures coming into contact with the boulder or the lapping/swelling of the lake water. With a stone amulet or ring, it sounds silly, but change it to a stone rod and you can sense everyone touching it. Use it to navigate your party through an area of darkness/fog. Yes, if the area was stone, you could do it anyway, but this way, you can better justify knowing that these 5 bodies are us and those 5 bodies are them.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
2024 Dwarven Stonecunning: As a Bonus Action, you gain Tremorsense with a range of 60 feet for 10 minutes. You must be on a stone surface or touching a stone surface to use this Tremorsense. The stone can be natural or worked. You can use this Bonus Action a number of times equal to your Proficiency Bonus, and you regain all expended uses when you finish a Long Rest. (Note: Walls, Floors and Ceilings you are touching)
From Free Rules Glossary: A creature with Tremorsense can pinpoint the location of creatures and moving objects within a specific range, provided that the creature with Tremorsense and anything it is detecting are both in contact with the same surface (such as the ground, a wall, or a ceiling) or the same liquid. Tremorsense can’t detect creatures or objects in the air, and it doesn’t count as a form of sight. (Note: only stone for Dwarven Stonecunning.)
I placed these two together because the Dwarven Stonecunning by itself left me to question how big an area you could do it if you were standing on a stone boulder in the middle of a lake. Was getting into could i wear a stone amulet or ring to activate
Nope, has to be on an all contiguous area of stone (worked or natural) per the Tremorsense rules. Just place this here to help with anyone else a little confused by the Dwarven power.
Cats go Moo!
No, but yes? I think "Yes, but ..." is the current trend.
Sure, you can use Stonecunning on a boulder in the middle of a lake or with a stone amulet or ring, or other stone objects (pillars/columns, rods, weapons, etc.), but it would be limited by Tremorsense normally.
What this means is that with the boulder, you could sense creatures coming into contact with the boulder or the lapping/swelling of the lake water. With a stone amulet or ring, it sounds silly, but change it to a stone rod and you can sense everyone touching it. Use it to navigate your party through an area of darkness/fog. Yes, if the area was stone, you could do it anyway, but this way, you can better justify knowing that these 5 bodies are us and those 5 bodies are them.
How to add Tooltips.
My houserulings.
My understanding is that a dwarf standing on a boulder in the middle of a lake could pinpoint the location of creatures and moving objects within 60 feet that is in contact with the same stone surface, that continue underwater.
If the dwarf would go in the lake instead, it could pinpoint the location of creatures and moving objects within 60 feet that is in contact with the same water surface. EDIT While Tremorsense allow detection on liquid, Stonecunning is limited to stone surface.I can see the RAW allowance for that. However, that goes down the path of "I carry a stone with me so I can activate Tremorsense on any surface."
I think given that you have to be on a stone surface or touching a stone surface to use the Tremorsense and you use Tremorsense by sensing along a surface or liquid, that Stonecunning limits the Tremorsense to stone surfaces only, RAI if not RAW.
How to add Tooltips.
My houserulings.
I forgot and edited my post because while Tremorsense allow detection on liquid, Stonecunning is limited to stone surface.
While the dwarf can activate Stonecunning anytime as a Bonus Action, it has to touch or be on the same stone surface as the creature in range to detect it.
Simply carrying stone and touching it would only allow you to detect other creature touching the same stone.
Don't forget the line from Basic Rules for Tremorsense: both in contact with the SAME SURFACE.
Cats go Moo!
Yeah I think this is going to be one of those areas where DMs have to make rulings off the cuff. Like sure the amulet thing will be a no. but in a cavern with a thin layer of dirt over its stone base, maybe. i'd say yes. But the ambiguity makes it a tougher call. like on the other extreme of the amulet, a stone floored palace with a thin runner carpet would anyone say people on the carpet aren't detected by it. By a super strict reading they aren't in contact with the stone. Where that dividing line of its not longer contact with stone will change DM to DM.
Ah. I thought you were trying to make the point that technically Stonecunning gives the Dwarf Tremorsense and the Dwarf must be touching stone to activate it, but the actual Tremorsense is not explicitly limited to stone surfaces. We are on the same page (stone?) then.
How to add Tooltips.
My houserulings.
just to be a pedant. it just says you have to be touching stone to use the tremor sense, not that the tremorsense only works through the stone being touched. if you are standing ankle deep in an underground lake, RAW you can activate this ability and detect through the water since you are on the stone and touching the water. obviously RAI is that it's just the stone though.
Perhaps one way to read it, listening to the devs discussing it specifically, it seems unlikely intended; New Feats | Backgrounds | Species | 2024 Player's Handbook | D&D (11:41)
I'd say it's meant more for a situation where the dwarf is on a mountainside and any creatures within 60' of him likely would be as well... or the dwarf is in a cavern and the same situation applies.
"Not all those who wander are lost"