Parrot a kenku bard pirate, his mansion would likely be a ship at sea the door exiting from the captions cabins, the beings withing part of the crew with not very distinctive forms and faces and rather generic clothes. the rooms being below and rather makeshift in design.
This is probably better suited for the Tips & Tactics forum.
Magnificent Mansion states "You can create any floor plan you like", but doesn't specify gravity, so I'd like to believe that an Escher House would be a valid option. Rooms and stairways on the walls and ceilings that twist and turn and connect in mind bending combinations.
If an enemy ever did manage to get inside, they'd be lost in a labyrinth of absurdity.
You're no fun, Lyxen. This thread is about "flavor builds" and I was assuming that a little bending of the rules for flavor was in line with the OP.
For a ship at sea, it could be "Holodeck"-style, where there is no actual sea, just illusory walls that give the appearance of more space. Like restaurants using mirrors to "expand" their dining area. Mechanically irrelevant, but a lot more fun to consider.
It was in that line of good fun that I said "I'd like to think", not that "I do think". An Escher House would obviously stretch credibility, but as you said that it would be very hard for an enemy to get inside, it is really irrelevant.
However, an opponent could be invited inside, intentionally, or accidentally, and that creates interesting scenarios. Certainly a Magnificent mansion can't be furnished with spell effects, but extradimensional spaces have curious properties. For example, portable holes either adopt the gravity of wherever they are opened, or have their own gravitational direction, depending on interpretation. Either of these could yield strange results, depending on how the mansion is arranged. Just having the house be an empty 500ft deep pit is a trap unto itself. "Traps" don't need to be complicated.
50 cubes is still enough for 50 rooms, (baring whatever the foyer is required to consume). My use of "Labyrinth of Absurdity" was a hyperbolic reference to a 4-dimensional escher-esque floorplan, which could cause problems unto itself, even with only 4 rooms.
TL;DR my post wasn't meant to be taken seriously. It was just a small effort to participate so that I wasn't _only_ suggesting that they change forums.
In an earlier campaign I played a Goblin Bard, and his magnificent mansion was his idea of what a "fancy" house would look like. The Foyer was carpeted with grass, and had a big hot spring in the middle of it. Each party member got a room vaguely customized to them, and his own room just had the biggest bed he could imagine in it along with a bunch of wine racks. I think most importantly, all of the servants took the form of monkey butlers and they were all incredibly sarcastic, because he thought that made them fancier.
...but it's still the forum about Rules and games mechanics, after all... :D
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Or possibly longer. The description of these forums definitely have a bit of overlap.
Actually, because you specify who is allowed to come in and that does not include willingness on the part of the "targets", you could still use the Mansion "offensively", for example dragging someone inside (grappling, magic, etc.) or tricking them, for example allowing only the guy that you want to assassinate and not his bodyguards, as you can then close the passage so that he cannot get out.
I've never seen anyone use it offensively, but it makes sense. After your post I spent some time thinking about it, and it's definitely a more complicated spell than initially presented. A lot of high level creatures may simply not fit through the doorway, or may be able to use Dispel Magic to throw out the whole plan, but when it works, it probably works pretty well, especially since you could easily turn it into a "clean lab" style Kill Box.
Now just to design the perfect Zombie Apocalypse lure chamber...
By the way, this is a new thing in 5e, before that you could only open then on the ground, which did not cause any problem with gravity.
Even opening it on the "Ground" could cause problems on planes other than the Material plane. Chunks of ground floating through the astral sea might either have no gravity, or subjective gravity, depending on cosmology. It's easy to say "Down is Down", which I think would be a reasonable interpretation for the sake of sanity, but it isn't a given.
Only the description does not allow this, which is why you want to be careful with the "Foyer with chambers" thing.
The idea of an ambiguous "magnificent foyer" in a spell that has strict size limitations is really frustrating. That could eat anywhere from 1 to 36 or more of those finite cubes. I like tall ceilings. However, the requirement of a magnificent foyer doesn't prevent it from being modified. The "chambers beyond" could easily extend down, like a cellar. Putting it beneath a rug in front of the entry way is against code, but not against the rules.
I see what you wanted to do, but again I don't think there is much room for 4d in the description.
Sure, even if it were allowed, it would have to be abstracted. It would be totally impractical to attempt to run a 4D campaign.
However, there is no requirement that the arrangement of the rooms make any sense, or even that the floors are level. We could arrange the rooms to connect at the corners and just spiral off one another randomly. Some would loop back and connect, while others look like they should, but never actually touch. It wouldn't be a true labyrinth, but it could easily cause navigational issues. And with 100 near-invisible staff to open and close doorways randomly, it could get really frustrating.
In any case, it would be fairly difficult for enemies to get inside, considering the limits of the spell.
After that, despite the "any floor plan you like", the spell also specified: "a magnificent foyer with numerous chambers beyond". So a ship at sea is not within the specifications. And after that, although the place is "furnished and decorated", for me this does not include spell effects like reverse gravity or any sort of trap.
After that, it is not really that big. 50 cubes, 10 feet on each side is only 50 feet by 100 feet with a ceiling of 10 feet for example, hardly enough to create a "labyrinth of absurdity", especially because you also need to include whatever connections are necessary between the chambers.
After that, you are of course free to abuse the spell any way you want in your campaign if the DM agrees. That being said, at that point, if you start abusing it, the DM is absolutely free to do so himself, as nothing says that the creatures have to be willing. For me, the spell is simply designed as a mean of entertainment and there is nothing in the description that should allow one to turn it into a deathtrap.
Look up the Grand Staircase of the Titanic and tell me with a straight face that that doesn't qualify for the bolded. If they want a nautical themed mansion set up like the inside of a (magnificent) ship, I dont see anything stopping them.
In any case, it would be fairly difficult for enemies to get inside, considering the limits of the spell.
After that, despite the "any floor plan you like", the spell also specified: "a magnificent foyer with numerous chambers beyond". So a ship at sea is not within the specifications. And after that, although the place is "furnished and decorated", for me this does not include spell effects like reverse gravity or any sort of trap.
After that, it is not really that big. 50 cubes, 10 feet on each side is only 50 feet by 100 feet with a ceiling of 10 feet for example, hardly enough to create a "labyrinth of absurdity", especially because you also need to include whatever connections are necessary between the chambers.
After that, you are of course free to abuse the spell any way you want in your campaign if the DM agrees. That being said, at that point, if you start abusing it, the DM is absolutely free to do so himself, as nothing says that the creatures have to be willing. For me, the spell is simply designed as a mean of entertainment and there is nothing in the description that should allow one to turn it into a deathtrap.
Look up the Grand Staircase of the Titanic and tell me with a straight face that that doesn't qualify for the bolded. If they want a nautical themed mansion set up like the inside of a (magnificent) ship, I dont see anything stopping them.
That is absolutely fine, but it is still extremely different from "a ship at sea the door exiting from the captions cabins" which I understood to be looking at the deck of the ship, with the corresponding sea environment.
Fair Enough. I see the difference and why you would think that.
Any thing that people live in could easily work. Cave, Tree House, RV, Igloo, Sod house, Baba Yaga's chicken house, upside down house, submarine house, 10 ft wide corridor house with stairs on both ends.
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Parrot a kenku bard pirate, his mansion would likely be a ship at sea the door exiting from the captions cabins, the beings withing part of the crew with not very distinctive forms and faces and rather generic clothes. the rooms being below and rather makeshift in design.
so whats yours and who would they belong to.
This is probably better suited for the Tips & Tactics forum.
Magnificent Mansion states "You can create any floor plan you like", but doesn't specify gravity, so I'd like to believe that an Escher House would be a valid option. Rooms and stairways on the walls and ceilings that twist and turn and connect in mind bending combinations.
If an enemy ever did manage to get inside, they'd be lost in a labyrinth of absurdity.
You're no fun, Lyxen. This thread is about "flavor builds" and I was assuming that a little bending of the rules for flavor was in line with the OP.
For a ship at sea, it could be "Holodeck"-style, where there is no actual sea, just illusory walls that give the appearance of more space. Like restaurants using mirrors to "expand" their dining area. Mechanically irrelevant, but a lot more fun to consider.
It was in that line of good fun that I said "I'd like to think", not that "I do think". An Escher House would obviously stretch credibility, but as you said that it would be very hard for an enemy to get inside, it is really irrelevant.
However, an opponent could be invited inside, intentionally, or accidentally, and that creates interesting scenarios. Certainly a Magnificent mansion can't be furnished with spell effects, but extradimensional spaces have curious properties. For example, portable holes either adopt the gravity of wherever they are opened, or have their own gravitational direction, depending on interpretation. Either of these could yield strange results, depending on how the mansion is arranged. Just having the house be an empty 500ft deep pit is a trap unto itself. "Traps" don't need to be complicated.
50 cubes is still enough for 50 rooms, (baring whatever the foyer is required to consume). My use of "Labyrinth of Absurdity" was a hyperbolic reference to a 4-dimensional escher-esque floorplan, which could cause problems unto itself, even with only 4 rooms.
TL;DR my post wasn't meant to be taken seriously. It was just a small effort to participate so that I wasn't _only_ suggesting that they change forums.
In an earlier campaign I played a Goblin Bard, and his magnificent mansion was his idea of what a "fancy" house would look like. The Foyer was carpeted with grass, and had a big hot spring in the middle of it. Each party member got a room vaguely customized to them, and his own room just had the biggest bed he could imagine in it along with a bunch of wine racks. I think most importantly, all of the servants took the form of monkey butlers and they were all incredibly sarcastic, because he thought that made them fancier.
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Or possibly longer. The description of these forums definitely have a bit of overlap.
I've never seen anyone use it offensively, but it makes sense. After your post I spent some time thinking about it, and it's definitely a more complicated spell than initially presented. A lot of high level creatures may simply not fit through the doorway, or may be able to use Dispel Magic to throw out the whole plan, but when it works, it probably works pretty well, especially since you could easily turn it into a "clean lab" style Kill Box.
Now just to design the perfect Zombie Apocalypse lure chamber...
Even opening it on the "Ground" could cause problems on planes other than the Material plane. Chunks of ground floating through the astral sea might either have no gravity, or subjective gravity, depending on cosmology. It's easy to say "Down is Down", which I think would be a reasonable interpretation for the sake of sanity, but it isn't a given.
The idea of an ambiguous "magnificent foyer" in a spell that has strict size limitations is really frustrating. That could eat anywhere from 1 to 36 or more of those finite cubes. I like tall ceilings. However, the requirement of a magnificent foyer doesn't prevent it from being modified. The "chambers beyond" could easily extend down, like a cellar. Putting it beneath a rug in front of the entry way is against code, but not against the rules.
Sure, even if it were allowed, it would have to be abstracted. It would be totally impractical to attempt to run a 4D campaign.
However, there is no requirement that the arrangement of the rooms make any sense, or even that the floors are level. We could arrange the rooms to connect at the corners and just spiral off one another randomly. Some would loop back and connect, while others look like they should, but never actually touch. It wouldn't be a true labyrinth, but it could easily cause navigational issues. And with 100 near-invisible staff to open and close doorways randomly, it could get really frustrating.
Look up the Grand Staircase of the Titanic and tell me with a straight face that that doesn't qualify for the bolded. If they want a nautical themed mansion set up like the inside of a (magnificent) ship, I dont see anything stopping them.
Fair Enough. I see the difference and why you would think that.
I would definitely allow the ship. Great idea.
Any thing that people live in could easily work. Cave, Tree House, RV, Igloo, Sod house, Baba Yaga's chicken house, upside down house, submarine house, 10 ft wide corridor house with stairs on both ends.