The Legendary Bundle gives a 15% discount on all content, including buying the bundle itself.
This means that if you purchase 85% of the content (by cost) on D&D Beyond, upgrading to the Legendary Bundle would be free.
It is not cheaper to buy the bundle up front and the pricing has been worked out to give as much flexibility to people as possible, without putting them at any disadvantage for buying a piece at a time.
The lack of personally owned digital/physical material seems to be a massive bone of contention for much of your customers. Lets say I spend £300 buying the legendary content, as well and the maximum tier sub (which i do currently pay), and then the worst thing possible happens and this website closes, I lose all my content and have to repurchase everything again outside of DnD Beyond. does that sound correct? Id buy everything here as your tools are great, but Id need some promise that regardless of the success of this website i would still have access to the content in the years to come.
A completely valid point and one that applies to all digital media, not just DDB. There are no guarantees with digital with everything moving to the cloud and it's not something any company can be sure about. The one mitigating factor in this is that the App will store all your resources natively on your phone/tablet when that's released. But digital still involves risks that physical content doesn't.
The same is true for the Legendary bundle. As soon as you've spent enough to meet the price of the legendary bundle, you unlock the full bundle and the 15% discount on all future content.
Ok LtDarien thanks for the illustration I get it. It sounds like youre saying you only get 15% off future content but not the legendary bundle when you reach the full price. Do you get a 15% refund when you reach the full price of the legendary bundle because if you don't then its cheaper to buy the bundle upfront and not incrementally.
It is the same whether you buy it upfront or incrementally. The 'Full Price' of the Legendary bundle includes the 15% discount already. Currently the Legendary bundle is $360, which is 15% off the full price of all the content. As soon as you spend $360 on content from D&D Beyond, you unlock the Legendary bundle.
New content will affect this price, but the price of the Legendary Bundle with always include the 15% discount.
I'm having problems paying for my subscriptions. I want to sign up for a monthly sub but it keeps giving me the cvv gateway rejected, even though I entered everything right. Any help?
I am glad DDB is doing well, it's a good product. I'd love to use it and it's clear they plan to expand it but I won't pay twice and I can't recommend it to the groups I play with because so much is missing so it's not an option for me unless I pay a substantial amount more. I hope DDB is around when 6E comes out and is ready to offer us an alternative to books that way I will have a real choice. But it wasn't around for 5 e's release so we got the books and now someone wants us to pay again. I suspect 6e will be more joined up with online and book offering in future. If DDB 5e was much cheaper like a top up cost then I'd be interested but 300 is way too high. I know it's not cheap to develop DDB and run it, expand it etc and I don't expect it to be free. I just think its too high for a non print product. After all if I get bored of it I cannot stick it on ebay or pass it on to a friend as a gift like I did with 4e books. Anway there are other products out there like roll20 and fantasy grounds and I hope they all do well.
Happy gaming all.
Honestly, I'd rather the reverse, if there was an option to get the digital materials AND pay a little bit more to get physical books shipped to me straight from Curse or WotC. I'd do that as well (I'm already on Legendary Bundle with everything on the digital side).
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I'm having problems paying for my subscriptions. I want to sign up for a monthly sub but it keeps giving me the cvv gateway rejected, even though I entered everything right. Any help?
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Please head over to the D&D Beyond support site. The support team will be able to assist you with this matter. :)
The lack of personally owned digital/physical material seems to be a massive bone of contention for much of your customers. Lets say I spend £300 buying the legendary content, as well and the maximum tier sub (which i do currently pay), and then the worst thing possible happens and this website closes, I lose all my content and have to repurchase everything again outside of DnD Beyond. does that sound correct? Id buy everything here as your tools are great, but Id need some promise that regardless of the success of this website i would still have access to the content in the years to come.
That is a chance you are taking, there's no way around it. Of course, you could also lose all your physical book by theft, fire or flood and need to purchase all of those again as well. WotC won't just send you new copies if you lose yours. Personally, it looks as if Curse is doing fine and the site isn't going to fold anytime soon. I expect 6E will come and we'll still be here, or have moved on ourselves at that point. That is a chance I am willing to take - you need to make that decision for yourself.
Haha, truth be told. The fewer physical books I have the better :P. Every time I got a new physical book my wife's eyebrow would raise in a questioning look, "you really needed another book?" So the threat of destruction my old books have faced is far greater than the chance of Curse going away and destroying my electronic purchases! + Little kids.. love 'em just want them away from my books... my precious books... my precious... my precious...
So says the D&D Addict of over 25 years.
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Lot's of interesting discussion here!! I personally like DDB and see it's value in both the content and subscriptions. I also look forward to an app. However, I would like the app to be universal and able to run on Windows as well. I love to DM and need a lot of materials and do this at my FLGS which unfortunately does not have WIFI and unless I have a hotspot, I can't access DDB from there. An "app" so far has only been stated as an IOS or ANDROID app but not Windows and this is concerning to me. I am a developer and am very familiar with some great tools that would make that possible and it could look just like it does here on the web site. Just a thought!!!
So... I used the coupon code "Beginnings" to get $10 off my PHB. Thank you for giving me that. I thought this was rolling over to my "Legendary Bundle" because the total price of the book was cut off the bundle price. (Awesome!) Now it is only cutting off the price of what I paid after the $10 off. Which means when I get the "Legendary Bundle", I 'm losing the $10 coupon code(less awesome)
Okay so Im going to be honest say right away that I haven't read though all of the comments in this thread... (got to page 4 and gave up lol)
Im sure there have been several people express a want for a content subscription. I would also like to do that.
Putting that aside I think there should be a "Legendary Bundle' for players or people just using this as a tool for character creation.
ie. The current legendary bundle has rise of tiamat, tomb of annihilation etc... I don't need any of the content in there as a campaign story, I would much rather use a physical book for that. But I would like all the content with regards to spells, class options etc.
Is that possible? Ideally I just want all the content for character creation and none of the other fluff, but with the bundle discount. Does that make sense?
While there's not a "bundle", using DDB from the player side can be very affordable.
I'm not trying to assume how many different games you are playing in, but most people that I encounter seem to have between 1 and 4 characters that they regularly play.
Most of the features of character creation are already free, as per the SRD content, but for things that aren't, you have a couple of options.
- You can buy each feature piecemeal, which may mean a subclass and a few spells. Maybe a few magic items depending on your level. Each of these purchases will bring down the price of the source material by the total amount you spend, in case you want to get the whole thing later. Or say, if you spend $30 worth of PHB content, you just get the whole PHB. Users on these boards have suggested that in lieu of an actual subscription, you spend the same amount you would on a subscription every month on content that you then get to keep indefinitely with no paid account to maintain after that.
- You can create private homebrew content for everything except subclasses, although I believe that's due out later this month. Private homebrew can be taken directly from the books as a way to allow people who have already purchased the physical books to still make full use of the character sheet. It's a little bit more typing work on the front end, but everything saves to your account, so you only have to enter them once to have regular use, and it's not that much work if you're only entering things in as you need them.
While I agree that DDB is pretty affordable from the player side, I don't think the idea of a player-facing bundle is a bad idea. Maybe the discount wouldn't be as deep as the full legendary bundle? But I have to imagine there is a pretty big market of people who don't have any interest in the adventures.
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I don't disagree, I'm just trying to throw out some immediate potential solutions.
I got into a pretty heated debate on the 5e FB group where a guy posted a screenshot of the marketplace listing for the Legendary Bundle and asking "Should I get this?" He had already purchased one book, so it showed the red slash through the full price and then showed the reduced price next to it, and people were like "THAT'S LESS THAN A 10% DISCOUNT WHEN IT SAYS WE GET 15%! SCAM! SCAM!" Then I try to correct people to keep the bad info at bay, and I get a bunch of "I'M ENTITLED TO MY OPINION, JERK!"
The other main gripe was people not understanding the concept of a "bundle" and assuming that you had to buy everything to be able to use D&D Beyond at all.
So yeah, I can definitely see the value of a Player Bundle with slightly less sticker shock lol. But I do have to say, I find it pretty odd how many people there are who have a low opinion of WotC, yet still play D&D and care enough about it to join forums and social media groups.
That group is toxic imo. I've left most of the D&D FB groups I was in because they're just awful and not worth the nonstop drama. As much as we hate the endless arguments about pricing here, at least they never get as nasty as the almost nearly as constant arguments about DDB pricing over there. And about everything else.
I think a player bundle could be a good approach but it goes back to what we've talked about a few times on this thread and a couple others: messaging about what DDB is and does and how it works. It really does seem like that could improve, but also it could be a rather Sisyphean task trying to win over everyone who doesn't get it, whether due to simple misunderstanding or deliberate obtuseness.
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DM: The Cult of the Crystal Spider (Currently playing Storm King's Thunder) Player: The Knuckles of Arth - Lemire (Tiefling Rogue 5/Fighter 1)
I don't disagree, I'm just trying to throw out some immediate potential solutions.
I got into a pretty heated debate on the 5e FB group where a guy posted a screenshot of the marketplace listing for the Legendary Bundle and asking "Should I get this?" He had already purchased one book, so it showed the red slash through the full price and then showed the reduced price next to it, and people were like "THAT'S LESS THAN A 10% DISCOUNT WHEN IT SAYS WE GET 15%! SCAM! SCAM!" Then I try to correct people to keep the bad info at bay, and I get a bunch of "I'M ENTITLED TO MY OPINION, JERK!"
The other main gripe was people not understanding the concept of a "bundle" and assuming that you had to buy everything to be able to use D&D Beyond at all.
So yeah, I can definitely see the value of a Player Bundle with slightly less sticker shock lol. But I do have to say, I find it pretty odd how many people there are who have a low opinion of WotC, yet still play D&D and care enough about it to join forums and social media groups.
Ha, I remember that post. Pretty much any post about DDB is toxic in that group. Though... I have noticed that the tides are beginning to shift. There's still a lot of folks spouting lies to fit their anti-DDB narrative, but the most recent posts seemed to have a majority of either DDB supporters *or* people who were pretty chill with their dislike.
There needs to be a way to get digital rulebooks at a discount if you have already purchased the physical copies of the book. I much prefer what D&D Beyond did over a PDF, since it is very tablet friendly. But there is no way I am paying $30 for a book that I paid $30 for already in dead tree format, especially when a lot of other RPG makers give you a free PDF when you buy their book, or offer a PDF+Print bundle. I understand you're in a hard place because Curse and WoTC are separate companies. But there's got to be some way the two of you can get together and offer a discounted product of some kind to people that already own the books.
I also think the digital offering is in a format that could easily be made into an ePub. Buying an ePub would be very helpful, since a good eReader will give you a lot of the benefits of the offline app in terms of scaling to a certain screen size.
For $30, I also need some assurances that if Curse decides that D&D Beyond can't be made profitable, that I'll have a way to continue to use the digital product going forward. Yes, I get that it's on my table now and I should be able to use it with the backend. But if I drop and break my tablet and the backend is gone, then I'm screwed.
There needs to be a way to get digital rulebooks at a discount if you have already purchased the physical copies of the book. I much prefer what D&D Beyond did over a PDF, since it is very tablet friendly. But there is no way I am paying $30 for a book that I paid $30 for already in dead tree format, especially when a lot of other RPG makers give you a free PDF when you buy their book, or offer a PDF+Print bundle. I understand you're in a hard place because Curse and WoTC are separate companies. But there's got to be some way the two of you can get together and offer a discounted product of some kind to people that already own the books.
I also think the digital offering is in a format that could easily be made into an ePub. Buying an ePub would be very helpful, since a good eReader will give you a lot of the benefits of the offline app in terms of scaling to a certain screen size.
For $30, I also need some assurances that if Curse decides that D&D Beyond can't be made profitable, that I'll have a way to continue to use the digital product going forward. Yes, I get that it's on my table now and I should be able to use it with the backend. But if I drop and break my tablet and the backend is gone, then I'm screwed.
You can buy the compendium for $19.90
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I'm not stupid. I'm just unlucky when I'm thinking.
I bought the Compendium Content for the Monster Manual for $19.99. It is not showing up as a choice in the D&D Beyond app for me to download to my device? Do I need to buy the full product for offline access. Because, if that's the case, I want a refund.
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The Legendary Bundle gives a 15% discount on all content, including buying the bundle itself.
This means that if you purchase 85% of the content (by cost) on D&D Beyond, upgrading to the Legendary Bundle would be free.
It is not cheaper to buy the bundle up front and the pricing has been worked out to give as much flexibility to people as possible, without putting them at any disadvantage for buying a piece at a time.
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Haha, truth be told. The fewer physical books I have the better :P. Every time I got a new physical book my wife's eyebrow would raise in a questioning look, "you really needed another book?" So the threat of destruction my old books have faced is far greater than the chance of Curse going away and destroying my electronic purchases! + Little kids.. love 'em just want them away from my books... my precious books... my precious... my precious...
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Lot's of interesting discussion here!! I personally like DDB and see it's value in both the content and subscriptions. I also look forward to an app. However, I would like the app to be universal and able to run on Windows as well. I love to DM and need a lot of materials and do this at my FLGS which unfortunately does not have WIFI and unless I have a hotspot, I can't access DDB from there. An "app" so far has only been stated as an IOS or ANDROID app but not Windows and this is concerning to me. I am a developer and am very familiar with some great tools that would make that possible and it could look just like it does here on the web site. Just a thought!!!
So... I used the coupon code "Beginnings" to get $10 off my PHB. Thank you for giving me that. I thought this was rolling over to my "Legendary Bundle" because the total price of the book was cut off the bundle price. (Awesome!) Now it is only cutting off the price of what I paid after the $10 off. Which means when I get the "Legendary Bundle", I 'm losing the $10 coupon code(less awesome)
Is this a glitch in the system, or what?
No, it is by design. the LB is discounted from buying them all separately. They credit (not discount) the amount you have paid towards this.
I just want to tell everyone "happy gaming" and actually mean it. Whatever your game is, just have fun with it, it is after all, just a game.
Okay so Im going to be honest say right away that I haven't read though all of the comments in this thread... (got to page 4 and gave up lol)
Im sure there have been several people express a want for a content subscription. I would also like to do that.
Putting that aside I think there should be a "Legendary Bundle' for players or people just using this as a tool for character creation.
ie. The current legendary bundle has rise of tiamat, tomb of annihilation etc... I don't need any of the content in there as a campaign story, I would much rather use a physical book for that. But I would like all the content with regards to spells, class options etc.
Is that possible? Ideally I just want all the content for character creation and none of the other fluff, but with the bundle discount. Does that make sense?
While there's not a "bundle", using DDB from the player side can be very affordable.
I'm not trying to assume how many different games you are playing in, but most people that I encounter seem to have between 1 and 4 characters that they regularly play.
Most of the features of character creation are already free, as per the SRD content, but for things that aren't, you have a couple of options.
- You can buy each feature piecemeal, which may mean a subclass and a few spells. Maybe a few magic items depending on your level. Each of these purchases will bring down the price of the source material by the total amount you spend, in case you want to get the whole thing later. Or say, if you spend $30 worth of PHB content, you just get the whole PHB. Users on these boards have suggested that in lieu of an actual subscription, you spend the same amount you would on a subscription every month on content that you then get to keep indefinitely with no paid account to maintain after that.
- You can create private homebrew content for everything except subclasses, although I believe that's due out later this month. Private homebrew can be taken directly from the books as a way to allow people who have already purchased the physical books to still make full use of the character sheet. It's a little bit more typing work on the front end, but everything saves to your account, so you only have to enter them once to have regular use, and it's not that much work if you're only entering things in as you need them.
While I agree that DDB is pretty affordable from the player side, I don't think the idea of a player-facing bundle is a bad idea. Maybe the discount wouldn't be as deep as the full legendary bundle? But I have to imagine there is a pretty big market of people who don't have any interest in the adventures.
DM: The Cult of the Crystal Spider (Currently playing Storm King's Thunder)
Player: The Knuckles of Arth - Lemire (Tiefling Rogue 5/Fighter 1)
I don't disagree, I'm just trying to throw out some immediate potential solutions.
I got into a pretty heated debate on the 5e FB group where a guy posted a screenshot of the marketplace listing for the Legendary Bundle and asking "Should I get this?" He had already purchased one book, so it showed the red slash through the full price and then showed the reduced price next to it, and people were like "THAT'S LESS THAN A 10% DISCOUNT WHEN IT SAYS WE GET 15%! SCAM! SCAM!" Then I try to correct people to keep the bad info at bay, and I get a bunch of "I'M ENTITLED TO MY OPINION, JERK!"
The other main gripe was people not understanding the concept of a "bundle" and assuming that you had to buy everything to be able to use D&D Beyond at all.
So yeah, I can definitely see the value of a Player Bundle with slightly less sticker shock lol. But I do have to say, I find it pretty odd how many people there are who have a low opinion of WotC, yet still play D&D and care enough about it to join forums and social media groups.
That group is toxic imo. I've left most of the D&D FB groups I was in because they're just awful and not worth the nonstop drama. As much as we hate the endless arguments about pricing here, at least they never get as nasty as the almost nearly as constant arguments about DDB pricing over there. And about everything else.
I think a player bundle could be a good approach but it goes back to what we've talked about a few times on this thread and a couple others: messaging about what DDB is and does and how it works. It really does seem like that could improve, but also it could be a rather Sisyphean task trying to win over everyone who doesn't get it, whether due to simple misunderstanding or deliberate obtuseness.
DM: The Cult of the Crystal Spider (Currently playing Storm King's Thunder)
Player: The Knuckles of Arth - Lemire (Tiefling Rogue 5/Fighter 1)
There needs to be a way to get digital rulebooks at a discount if you have already purchased the physical copies of the book. I much prefer what D&D Beyond did over a PDF, since it is very tablet friendly. But there is no way I am paying $30 for a book that I paid $30 for already in dead tree format, especially when a lot of other RPG makers give you a free PDF when you buy their book, or offer a PDF+Print bundle. I understand you're in a hard place because Curse and WoTC are separate companies. But there's got to be some way the two of you can get together and offer a discounted product of some kind to people that already own the books.
I also think the digital offering is in a format that could easily be made into an ePub. Buying an ePub would be very helpful, since a good eReader will give you a lot of the benefits of the offline app in terms of scaling to a certain screen size.
For $30, I also need some assurances that if Curse decides that D&D Beyond can't be made profitable, that I'll have a way to continue to use the digital product going forward. Yes, I get that it's on my table now and I should be able to use it with the backend. But if I drop and break my tablet and the backend is gone, then I'm screwed.
I'm not stupid. I'm just unlucky when I'm thinking.
I bought the Compendium Content for the Monster Manual for $19.99. It is not showing up as a choice in the D&D Beyond app for me to download to my device? Do I need to buy the full product for offline access. Because, if that's the case, I want a refund.