There is nothing I have seen so far that I would pay monthly for. This is not an mmo, so it's not something I would log into daily to make the purchase worth the continued cost.
I think that's the biggest thing... a subscription doesn't really work for something you plan to use irregularly.
Include a "code" on new books is reasonable, but, my point is, what to do with the books that were already printed/sold in the market? I bought 5 books of the 5°edition and would love to have this content available online, but, not willing to pay for it again.
I want all access, all the time. Piecemeal leads to errors of omission as well as double purchasing. Much of what is out there many of us already have in print, so an online product has to reflect that. We shouldn't be paying full price for a second set of rules. If the thing is going to be like Fantasy Grounds or Roll 20, it is already a stretch on the pocketbook and paying full price for material we have to be added to a Tabletop is ridiculous. It would be better if we could scan our own books and upload the pieces we need, but that's copyright infringement so that can't be done. But charging for things we already paid for is just as bad.
I'm willing to pay for the service, but the products should be gratis. If Hasbro needs a cut, which, of course, they do, then that should be a cut of my service fees, not a complete resale of existing goods. I'm up for a $5 to $10 max monthly or a $75 to $100 lifetime possibly, but that's got to be it.
If this is going to roll out anything at all like Fantasy Grounds or Roll 20, cancel me now. I have subscribed to both of those services and been wholly disappointed by both. The first charged me an arm and a leg for products which, only a month later, became obsolete do to updates. The latter never answered email inquiries about the problems I had with the tutorial so I never got a chance to learn it let alone why I could never enter another's game.
Not saying the same will happen here, but you can understand the concern
I read all the articles, and I was totally "oh man, I hate the idea of buying digital copies of books I already own to use a tool that like ten people have already made dope versions of" but then I just looked through the UI and searched the MM and magic items and spells a bit. And I must admit, it's sexy.
This damn thing is going to save me TIME. Making higher level adventures for experienced players takes a lot of customization and research to get the correct pieces put together. I haven't seen the whole thing yet but the business model looks sound.
I would love a Netflix-style subscription if it included access to all current DnD (5th ed.) content and all future content, and all other features. For me $10 a month is max. It would be nice if there were a free tier for players or at least a way for the paying subscriber to grant character management access to their players.
Agreed I would not mind paying for a subscription however... By Pelor is my witness if they build it in silverlight I will turn undead the entire staff :P
If this is going to roll out anything at all like Fantasy Grounds or Roll 20, cancel me now. I have subscribed to both of those services and been wholly disappointed by both. The first charged me an arm and a leg for products which, only a month later, became obsolete do to updates. The latter never answered email inquiries about the problems I had with the tutorial so I never got a chance to learn it let alone why I could never enter another's game.
Not saying the same will happen here, but you can understand the concern
Hey we got to stop meeting like this. Seriously people will get suspicious.
Um I know Fantasy Grounds killed my wallet too. Roll20 has been great for me, and if you ever need me to go over some things with you I can lend you a hand. I am suprised nobody on the forums answered your questions or you could not use the forums search to find your answer. Plus there are a ton of youtube videos for roll20.
If this can be used offline I would love to have it save a character to dropbox as I have that on my PC, Tablet, and Phone. But if they go to a subscription route then count me out, I would pay like $20.00 USD for each of the rule books which they are at 5 now. That would give me all I want and if they add more books down the road if they interest me I would order them up. But I do not want a subscription price unless you can do a forever one all at one time but only if say in 5 or 6 years when the next edition comes out I can still use this for my games.The only custom content I want is my own so on my part they wouldn't have to worry about me getting official stuff from someone else.
I think $10/month with access to ALL D&D content is reasonable (if a little top tier)
For $10 per month, I can get.
* Google Play Music All-Access/YouTube Red: with access to a wide variety of albums, the ability to listen offline, plus ad-free YouTube that can play in the background.
* Office 365: Full versions of Microsoft Office on 5 computers/tablets, plus 1 TB of OneDrive AND 60 Skype minute
* Netflix Streaming: A wide selection of movies and TV series, including exclusive shows, on multiple devices all in HD.
At a $10 price point, I'd expect from D&D Beyond
* Unlimited Character backup/creation
* Access to ALL official WotC content in the database and character builder, with limited online access
I think $10/month with access to ALL D&D content is reasonable (if a little top tier)
For $10 per month, I can get.
* Google Play Music All-Access/YouTube Red: with access to a wide variety of albums, the ability to listen offline, plus ad-free YouTube that can play in the background.
* Office 365: Full versions of Microsoft Office on 5 computers/tablets, plus 1 TB of OneDrive AND 60 Skype minute
* Netflix Streaming: A wide selection of movies and TV series, including exclusive shows, on multiple devices all in HD.
At a $10 price point, I'd expect from D&D Beyond
* Unlimited Character backup/creation
* Access to ALL official WotC content in the database and character builder, with limited online access
Insider (4th ed) had 3 month plans for a discount price. I liked that. And that was a compendium and character maker. So I think there should be a DM "Core" subscription with the core material (PHB, DMG and MM) and unlimited character slots. Plus a simple Encounter Creator with a Journal. 3 month subscription.
Then for a LITTLE more ad The adventure and supplement data. NOT by the book but ALL that are released. This could be the DM "Complete" subscription (or whatever..). Link the adventure data with an integrated virtual table top (I mention this below)
Then, for a little more, you could ad...HOME Brew "Makers". To create a HOME Brew..
Race
Class
Monster
Item
etc...
Then for a little more ad...
Simple Combat Map (As simple as a water erasable battle mat). Use simple counters (unlimited blank that you can import a pic or just write on -colors as well) and a virtual pen (a few colors) to mark the mat AND the ability to put movable/scalable text on the mat. All top down. Keep it SIMPLE!
A Player View in a second browser for DMs that use dual monitors at the table (like me). This would have the ability to hide things that appear on the DM screen.
Then you must have... A PLAYER Subscription should be at minimum a character maker and leveler. The Player can share a PC they created with their DM who has a subscription. This sharing could limit or turn off editing for the PLAYER once a character is shared the the DM.
Then... A FREE character Viewer (Free Subscription - maybe adds) so the DM can share characters with players who use laptops and tablets etc. but don't need to or have an interest in creating characters and the rest. The character viewer can be ACTIVE with the ability to roll dice for skills, saves and attacks etc...
So many possibilities.
Keep the interface simple and clean. DO NOT CLUTTER IT UP with fancy programming and bells and whistles. Keep it CLEAN SIMPLE and ACCESSIBLE! I like what you are doing so far. I will look at it more and post my thoughts on that.
I am excited about this project! I have been gaming for over 40 years. Playing D&D since 1st addition. I am a fan of electronic utilities for the game table.
While it largely depends on the features available, I would be willing to $10-20per month for this. The features I've seen so far are helpful and easy to use. It's especially helpful as a DM to have everything in one place. This honestly seems more useful as a DM than a player, and I would definitely expect to see a cheaper "players only" option at around $5.
Things that would sell it for me at the$10-20 range: access to the core books and supplements like volo's guide; a well built encounter builder; access to unearthed arcana for use in campaigns; ability to link to players character sheets, (I like to keep track in case a player can't make it and I may need to fill in for them); a side bar or something where I can enter players AC, spell save DCs, and passive perceptions (this is something I always keep track of, it helps me keep combat moving more quickly).
For they player's only option, and the character sheet creator in general, I'm really expecting some thing fairly customizable. I really want to see one that lets you see all of your features, because they often get forgotten. For spellcasters, a customizable spell list that allows you to see the full text of the spell description. Spots for keeping track of superiority dice/sneak attack would be nice though not necessary for me. Plus access to unearthed arcana that may be allowed in campaigns. And access to the player options in supplements would be nice too.
As I said, I'm already happy with what I've seen. I can't wait to see more
Hi everyone! I agree with practically all that has been commented here. I would (and will) pay for extra content I would like to add to my gaming table, or that extra something that would enhance the gaming experience. But as others also mentioned, paying again for things that are included in the books I have already bought...well....that wouldn't be fair. Of course, those who are just starting in the RPG world and prefer difital content only, well, they would hit the jackpot.
All in all, I am hoping as well that prices aren't too high and, if they were, that the content justified the price. Great work so far!
I would pay for a sub if it was at the right price and if I could print off characters sheets like u could do with the 4th edition online tools. As there is something nice about scribbling nots on to a character sheet.
In my view, what I'd be paying for would be a service. Access to information, with the search functions and filters to find what I'm looking for quick and easy. With character, monster, or encounter building components, that can save these, as well as race/class/item/etc builders that allow for addition of homebrew content to the repository I can access, and work with it.
But also for this service being kept up-to-date, with new materials being added to the service as they are added in print. I would be paying for a dependable service, with as little down-time as possible, and where my characters are stored safely and accessibly from wherever I am. For being able to share things; being able to forward a character sheet to my DM, or as a DM to forward my homebrew magic item to the player whose character it was tailored for.
As to what I would be willing to pay, that would depend heavily on the offered features. Going by what I'm expecting to get, I'd say $5 to $10 would be reasonable. If getting access to specific content required a one-time fee, I would like to see that reflected in a lower monthly subscription cost.
I want to buy a Player's Handbook that has a QR or coupon code inside. I go to dndbeyond.com, enter that coupon code and my PHB is now available online. I would even pay $65 for a $50 book for that feature. The same with all the books. I love D&D. I want a physical book, but I need these digital tools to be able to DM for the groups of friends my kids play with. They don't have school books, but they all have iPads and Chromebooks.
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Include a "code" on new books is reasonable, but, my point is, what to do with the books that were already printed/sold in the market? I bought 5 books of the 5°edition and would love to have this content available online, but, not willing to pay for it again.
I agree, a minor fee would be fair and aceptable to unlock the content we already have.
I want all access, all the time. Piecemeal leads to errors of omission as well as double purchasing. Much of what is out there many of us already have in print, so an online product has to reflect that. We shouldn't be paying full price for a second set of rules. If the thing is going to be like Fantasy Grounds or Roll 20, it is already a stretch on the pocketbook and paying full price for material we have to be added to a Tabletop is ridiculous. It would be better if we could scan our own books and upload the pieces we need, but that's copyright infringement so that can't be done. But charging for things we already paid for is just as bad.
I'm willing to pay for the service, but the products should be gratis. If Hasbro needs a cut, which, of course, they do, then that should be a cut of my service fees, not a complete resale of existing goods. I'm up for a $5 to $10 max monthly or a $75 to $100 lifetime possibly, but that's got to be it.
If this is going to roll out anything at all like Fantasy Grounds or Roll 20, cancel me now. I have subscribed to both of those services and been wholly disappointed by both. The first charged me an arm and a leg for products which, only a month later, became obsolete do to updates. The latter never answered email inquiries about the problems I had with the tutorial so I never got a chance to learn it let alone why I could never enter another's game.
Not saying the same will happen here, but you can understand the concern
I read all the articles, and I was totally "oh man, I hate the idea of buying digital copies of books I already own to use a tool that like ten people have already made dope versions of" but then I just looked through the UI and searched the MM and magic items and spells a bit. And I must admit, it's sexy.
This damn thing is going to save me TIME. Making higher level adventures for experienced players takes a lot of customization and research to get the correct pieces put together. I haven't seen the whole thing yet but the business model looks sound.
I will give you money for time.
I would love a Netflix-style subscription if it included access to all current DnD (5th ed.) content and all future content, and all other features. For me $10 a month is max. It would be nice if there were a free tier for players or at least a way for the paying subscriber to grant character management access to their players.
If this can be used offline I would love to have it save a character to dropbox as I have that on my PC, Tablet, and Phone. But if they go to a subscription route then count me out, I would pay like $20.00 USD for each of the rule books which they are at 5 now. That would give me all I want and if they add more books down the road if they interest me I would order them up. But I do not want a subscription price unless you can do a forever one all at one time but only if say in 5 or 6 years when the next edition comes out I can still use this for my games.The only custom content I want is my own so on my part they wouldn't have to worry about me getting official stuff from someone else.
I think $10/month with access to ALL D&D content is reasonable (if a little top tier)
For $10 per month, I can get.
At a $10 price point, I'd expect from D&D Beyond
Insider (4th ed) had 3 month plans for a discount price. I liked that. And that was a compendium and character maker.
So I think there should be a DM "Core" subscription with the core material (PHB, DMG and MM) and unlimited character slots. Plus a simple Encounter Creator with a Journal. 3 month subscription.
Then for a LITTLE more ad
The adventure and supplement data. NOT by the book but ALL that are released. This could be the DM "Complete" subscription (or whatever..). Link the adventure data with an integrated virtual table top (I mention this below)
Then, for a little more, you could ad...HOME Brew "Makers". To create a HOME Brew..
Then for a little more ad...
Then you must have...
A PLAYER Subscription should be at minimum a character maker and leveler. The Player can share a PC they created with their DM who has a subscription. This sharing could limit or turn off editing for the PLAYER once a character is shared the the DM.
Then...
A FREE character Viewer (Free Subscription - maybe adds) so the DM can share characters with players who use laptops and tablets etc. but don't need to or have an interest in creating characters and the rest. The character viewer can be ACTIVE with the ability to roll dice for skills, saves and attacks etc...
So many possibilities.
Keep the interface simple and clean. DO NOT CLUTTER IT UP with fancy programming and bells and whistles. Keep it CLEAN SIMPLE and ACCESSIBLE! I like what you are doing so far. I will look at it more and post my thoughts on that.
I am excited about this project! I have been gaming for over 40 years. Playing D&D since 1st addition. I am a fan of electronic utilities for the game table.
That's my 2 cents so far.
Bob
While it largely depends on the features available, I would be willing to $10-20per month for this. The features I've seen so far are helpful and easy to use. It's especially helpful as a DM to have everything in one place. This honestly seems more useful as a DM than a player, and I would definitely expect to see a cheaper "players only" option at around $5.
Things that would sell it for me at the$10-20 range: access to the core books and supplements like volo's guide; a well built encounter builder; access to unearthed arcana for use in campaigns; ability to link to players character sheets, (I like to keep track in case a player can't make it and I may need to fill in for them); a side bar or something where I can enter players AC, spell save DCs, and passive perceptions (this is something I always keep track of, it helps me keep combat moving more quickly).
For they player's only option, and the character sheet creator in general, I'm really expecting some thing fairly customizable. I really want to see one that lets you see all of your features, because they often get forgotten. For spellcasters, a customizable spell list that allows you to see the full text of the spell description. Spots for keeping track of superiority dice/sneak attack would be nice though not necessary for me. Plus access to unearthed arcana that may be allowed in campaigns. And access to the player options in supplements would be nice too.
As I said, I'm already happy with what I've seen. I can't wait to see more
Hi everyone! I agree with practically all that has been commented here. I would (and will) pay for extra content I would like to add to my gaming table, or that extra something that would enhance the gaming experience. But as others also mentioned, paying again for things that are included in the books I have already bought...well....that wouldn't be fair. Of course, those who are just starting in the RPG world and prefer difital content only, well, they would hit the jackpot.
All in all, I am hoping as well that prices aren't too high and, if they were, that the content justified the price. Great work so far!
I would pay for a sub if it was at the right price and if I could print off characters sheets like u could do with the 4th edition online tools. As there is something nice about scribbling nots on to a character sheet.
In my view, what I'd be paying for would be a service. Access to information, with the search functions and filters to find what I'm looking for quick and easy. With character, monster, or encounter building components, that can save these, as well as race/class/item/etc builders that allow for addition of homebrew content to the repository I can access, and work with it.
But also for this service being kept up-to-date, with new materials being added to the service as they are added in print. I would be paying for a dependable service, with as little down-time as possible, and where my characters are stored safely and accessibly from wherever I am. For being able to share things; being able to forward a character sheet to my DM, or as a DM to forward my homebrew magic item to the player whose character it was tailored for.
As to what I would be willing to pay, that would depend heavily on the offered features. Going by what I'm expecting to get, I'd say $5 to $10 would be reasonable. If getting access to specific content required a one-time fee, I would like to see that reflected in a lower monthly subscription cost.
Wait. I have to pay to add my homebrew? And if I stop paying I don't have access to my homebrew. But I already have my homebrew.
Tell me again what I'm paying for?
DM: "the dragon is there, sitting on his pile of gold"
PCs: let's gather all our and the towns gold and give it to him. That'll surely create jobs"
Government
This is what would be useful for me:
-fast browsing. I tried to use this last night and it just wasn't fast as a web based app. I want this downloaded so it's snappy
-DM sends character sheets to PCs. I manage my PCs sheets, so I want to make the changes on my end and push the updates out to them
DM: "the dragon is there, sitting on his pile of gold"
PCs: let's gather all our and the towns gold and give it to him. That'll surely create jobs"
Government
I want to buy a Player's Handbook that has a QR or coupon code inside. I go to dndbeyond.com, enter that coupon code and my PHB is now available online. I would even pay $65 for a $50 book for that feature. The same with all the books. I love D&D. I want a physical book, but I need these digital tools to be able to DM for the groups of friends my kids play with. They don't have school books, but they all have iPads and Chromebooks.