The Character Sheet was updated to reflect 2024 terminology with descriptions that are consistent with 2014 and 2024 game rules.
So says the latest update to the Changelog. But it is false.
Will my previous character sheets be affected?
The game mechanics for your 2014 characters will not be impacted, and all spells, abilities, items, and conditions will display information in line with 2014 rules.
Not true.
We are not changing players’ current character sheets, except for relabeling and renaming.
2024 content is displayed on 2014 Character Sheets, using a completely different mechanic,most obviously for unarmed strikes:
Unarmed Strike
You make a melee attack that involves using your body to deal one of the following effects:
Damage. You make an attack roll against the creature, and on a hit, you deal 1 + STR Bludgeoning damage.
Grapple. The target must succeed on a Str./Dex. (it chooses which) saving throw (DC = 8 + Prof. Bonus + Str.) or it has the Grappled condition.
Shove. The target must succeed on a Str./Dex. (it chooses which) saving throw (DC = 8 + Prof. Bonus + Str.) or you can either push it 5 ft. away or cause it to have the Prone condition.
This is not how Grapple or Shove work under 2014 rules. So the above promises are being broken on every character sheet.
Either this is a bug, that D&D Beyond is happy to ignore, or it's intentional, in which case they are lying and don't care about users of the 2014 rules.
The Character Sheet was updated to reflect 2024 terminology with descriptions that are consistent with 2014 and 2024 game rules.
So says the latest update to the Changelog. But it is false.
Will my previous character sheets be affected?
The game mechanics for your 2014 characters will not be impacted, and all spells, abilities, items, and conditions will display information in line with 2014 rules.
Not true.
We are not changing players’ current character sheets, except for relabeling and renaming.
2024 content is displayed on 2014 Character Sheets, using a completely different mechanic,most obviously for unarmed strikes:
Unarmed Strike
You make a melee attack that involves using your body to deal one of the following effects:
Damage. You make an attack roll against the creature, and on a hit, you deal 1 + STR Bludgeoning damage.
Grapple. The target must succeed on a Str./Dex. (it chooses which) saving throw (DC = 8 + Prof. Bonus + Str.) or it has the Grappled condition.
Shove. The target must succeed on a Str./Dex. (it chooses which) saving throw (DC = 8 + Prof. Bonus + Str.) or you can either push it 5 ft. away or cause it to have the Prone condition.
This is not how Grapple or Shove work under 2014 rules. So the above promises are being broken on every character sheet.
Either this is a bug, that D&D Beyond is happy to ignore, or it's intentional, in which case they are lying and don't care about users of the 2014 rules.
Never mind switching off legacy content, how are we supposed to switch off 2024 content? Where's our toggle?????
That's the best part:You don't...not yet, at least.
Wait for MTX in Sigil. The numbers WILL go down when that fully surfaces, & then we can make demands again when investors lose money on a mobile game pretending to be the future of DND.
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DM, player & homebrewer(Current homebrew project is an unofficial conversion of SBURB/SGRUB from Homestuck into DND 5e)
Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.
I forgot to mention that Weapon Mastery is displayed for 2014 characters too. Players are asking what this "Vex" property is and why it suddenly appeared on their character sheet.
All DnDB's worthless promises to leave 2014 character sheets alone (apart from updating terminology) have proved to be total BS.
It's either a massive, shameful, glaring bug, or some cynical attempt to move play to 2024 rules whether we like it or not - but it won't work. Our campaign has another five Earth years to go, and it will be played under 2014 rules. If that means abandoning B&D Beyond for a better platform, and never buying another source book from Hasbro, so be it.
Hasbro and Wizards don't respect players, so why should we respect them?
If you take a look at the front page of this bug forum, you will notice that it is a massive wall of unaddressed bugs, mostly around recent changes to dndbeyond. My opinion is that Hasbro and WotC are actively trying to kill dndbeyond because it is preventing them, in their view, from further monetizing what they see as missed opportunities, but those gold bars they think they're about to pick up are just moonlight, as this sort of ongoing nonsense is what will kill the community that made them a billion dollars.
This doesn't smell like a bug, it smells like a feature, and I'm making my popcorn for when the courts in EU and Canada decide what to do with this mess.
If you take a look at the front page of this bug forum, you will notice that it is a massive wall of unaddressed bugs, mostly around recent changes to dndbeyond. My opinion is that Hasbro and WotC are actively trying to kill dndbeyond because it is preventing them, in their view, from further monetizing what they see as missed opportunities, but those gold bars they think they're about to pick up are just moonlight, as this sort of ongoing nonsense is what will kill the community that made them a billion dollars.
This doesn't smell like a bug, it smells like a feature, and I'm making my popcorn for when the courts in EU and Canada decide what to do with this mess.
Yes, quite clearly it's an intentionally bad feature, not a bug.
But you'd hope that any competent, responsible, technically capable, customer-facing business would read and address issues submitted as bug reports instead of blatantly and shamelessly lying in their changelog while ignoring users.
I have to say, JC has dropped massively in my estimation.
We already knew that he doesn't play DnD and hasn't for many years, but it seems he's entirely gone over to the Dark Side now, taking the corporate shilling from Hasbro's grey-faced goons in return for treating DnD as just another product line.
As you say, it's the end for them because the community is far stronger than the brand.
If you take a look at the front page of this bug forum, you will notice that it is a massive wall of unaddressed bugs, mostly around recent changes to dndbeyond. My opinion is that Hasbro and WotC are actively trying to kill dndbeyond because it is preventing them, in their view, from further monetizing what they see as missed opportunities, but those gold bars they think they're about to pick up are just moonlight, as this sort of ongoing nonsense is what will kill the community that made them a billion dollars.
This doesn't smell like a bug, it smells like a feature, and I'm making my popcorn for when the courts in EU and Canada decide what to do with this mess.
Yes, quite clearly it's an intentionally bad feature, not a bug.
But you'd hope that any competent, responsible, technically capable, customer-facing business would read and address issues submitted as bug reports instead of blatantly and shamelessly lying in their changelog while ignoring users.
I have to say, JC has dropped massively in my estimation.
We already knew that he doesn't play DnD and hasn't for many years, but it seems he's entirely gone over to the Dark Side now, taking the corporate shilling from Hasbro's grey-faced goons in return for treating DnD as just another product line.
As you say, it's the end for them because the community is far stronger than the brand.
OK, this is starting to turn into conspiracy theorizing.
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DM, player & homebrewer(Current homebrew project is an unofficial conversion of SBURB/SGRUB from Homestuck into DND 5e)
Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.
If you take a look at the front page of this bug forum, you will notice that it is a massive wall of unaddressed bugs, mostly around recent changes to dndbeyond. My opinion is that Hasbro and WotC are actively trying to kill dndbeyond because it is preventing them, in their view, from further monetizing what they see as missed opportunities, but those gold bars they think they're about to pick up are just moonlight, as this sort of ongoing nonsense is what will kill the community that made them a billion dollars.
This doesn't smell like a bug, it smells like a feature, and I'm making my popcorn for when the courts in EU and Canada decide what to do with this mess.
Yes, quite clearly it's an intentionally bad feature, not a bug.
But you'd hope that any competent, responsible, technically capable, customer-facing business would read and address issues submitted as bug reports instead of blatantly and shamelessly lying in their changelog while ignoring users.
I have to say, JC has dropped massively in my estimation.
We already knew that he doesn't play DnD and hasn't for many years, but it seems he's entirely gone over to the Dark Side now, taking the corporate shilling from Hasbro's grey-faced goons in return for treating DnD as just another product line.
As you say, it's the end for them because the community is far stronger than the brand.
OK, this is starting to turn into conspiracy theorizing.
I know, right, sure sounds like it, lol.
But if there's no intention of recognising and fixing flaws, then they are acceptable issues to DnD B... the rest is an attempt to process, rationalise and understand how that could be.
But I'd much rather be playing DnD than trying to understand why they's treat users with such contempt.
If you take a look at the front page of this bug forum, you will notice that it is a massive wall of unaddressed bugs, mostly around recent changes to dndbeyond. My opinion is that Hasbro and WotC are actively trying to kill dndbeyond because it is preventing them, in their view, from further monetizing what they see as missed opportunities, but those gold bars they think they're about to pick up are just moonlight, as this sort of ongoing nonsense is what will kill the community that made them a billion dollars.
This doesn't smell like a bug, it smells like a feature, and I'm making my popcorn for when the courts in EU and Canada decide what to do with this mess.
Yes, quite clearly it's an intentionally bad feature, not a bug.
But you'd hope that any competent, responsible, technically capable, customer-facing business would read and address issues submitted as bug reports instead of blatantly and shamelessly lying in their changelog while ignoring users.
I have to say, JC has dropped massively in my estimation.
We already knew that he doesn't play DnD and hasn't for many years, but it seems he's entirely gone over to the Dark Side now, taking the corporate shilling from Hasbro's grey-faced goons in return for treating DnD as just another product line.
As you say, it's the end for them because the community is far stronger than the brand.
OK, this is starting to turn into conspiracy theorizing.
I know, right, sure sounds like it, lol.
But if there's no intention of recognising and fixing flaws, then they are acceptable issues to DnD B... the rest is an attempt to process, rationalise and understand how that could be.
But I'd much rather be playing DnD than trying to understand why they's treat users with such contempt.
No more so than any other megacorp.
Do you get this upset at other toy companies for not listening to you & others like you specifically over the stuff you like? Because Hasbro is a toy company, & the shell of the WotC that was is just a label at this point akin to Parker Bros, marketing & financial flummery-aside. People still work at the label's building, but it doesn't have any effective independence.
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DM, player & homebrewer(Current homebrew project is an unofficial conversion of SBURB/SGRUB from Homestuck into DND 5e)
Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.
If you take a look at the front page of this bug forum, you will notice that it is a massive wall of unaddressed bugs, mostly around recent changes to dndbeyond. My opinion is that Hasbro and WotC are actively trying to kill dndbeyond because it is preventing them, in their view, from further monetizing what they see as missed opportunities, but those gold bars they think they're about to pick up are just moonlight, as this sort of ongoing nonsense is what will kill the community that made them a billion dollars.
This doesn't smell like a bug, it smells like a feature, and I'm making my popcorn for when the courts in EU and Canada decide what to do with this mess.
Yes, quite clearly it's an intentionally bad feature, not a bug.
But you'd hope that any competent, responsible, technically capable, customer-facing business would read and address issues submitted as bug reports instead of blatantly and shamelessly lying in their changelog while ignoring users.
I have to say, JC has dropped massively in my estimation.
We already knew that he doesn't play DnD and hasn't for many years, but it seems he's entirely gone over to the Dark Side now, taking the corporate shilling from Hasbro's grey-faced goons in return for treating DnD as just another product line.
As you say, it's the end for them because the community is far stronger than the brand.
OK, this is starting to turn into conspiracy theorizing.
I know, right, sure sounds like it, lol.
But if there's no intention of recognising and fixing flaws, then they are acceptable issues to DnD B... the rest is an attempt to process, rationalise and understand how that could be.
But I'd much rather be playing DnD than trying to understand why they's treat users with such contempt.
No more so than any other megacorp.
Do you get this upset at other toy companies for not listening to you & others like you specifically over the stuff you like? Because Hasbro is a toy company, & the shell of the WotC that was is just a label at this point akin to Parker Bros, marketing & financial flummery-aside. People still work at the label's building, but it doesn't have any effective independence.
I'm well aware of that... in fact it's pretty much my point. What's yours?
The fact is, they ask for bug reports and do nothing about them.
They make promises to the community, saying "We hear you! We rolled a 1 on Insight earlier. This is what we'll do.." and then do something different.
If you value your relationship with your customers and user-base, if you know you've already alienated the Community several times, if you know they have other options that you can't monetise, wouldn't you want to know what you're still getting wrong...? Any decent company would.
WotC is a division of a megacorp. It kinda prides itself on not being faceless. The game designers interact and offer clarifications on Twitter as part of their job. They listen to feedback, see where confusion lies and publish those clarifications in Sage Advice.
I'm just pointing out the cynicism that lies behind all this if existing users are no longer supported due to a cost-benefit calculation.
It's easy to form conspiracy theories about a company that sends armed enforcers to a fan's house for opening the wrong pack of cards.
At which point, it's no longer a theory...
That said, it was never my intention for this tread to go that direction, but when folks lack a rational explanation for irrational behaviour, something fills the void. And WotC / BnDB's behaviour of late has indeed been bizarre, irrational and inexplicable... unless we entertain the possibility that the management team and senior designers are either a) incompetent or b) utterly disdainful of users and customers.
Anybody got an option c) for fairness?
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So says the latest update to the Changelog. But it is false.
Not true.
D&D Beyond keeps making these hollow promises but the reality is different.
2024 content is displayed on 2014 Character Sheets, using a completely different mechanic, most obviously for unarmed strikes:
This is not how Grapple or Shove work under 2014 rules. So the above promises are being broken on every character sheet.
Either this is a bug, that D&D Beyond is happy to ignore, or it's intentional, in which case they are lying and don't care about users of the 2014 rules.
There's more for specific classes such as Paladin, as detailed in this post.
Never mind switching off legacy content, how are we supposed to switch off 2024 content? Where's our toggle?????
That's the best part:You don't...not yet, at least.
Wait for MTX in Sigil. The numbers WILL go down when that fully surfaces, & then we can make demands again when investors lose money on a mobile game pretending to be the future of DND.
DM, player & homebrewer(Current homebrew project is an unofficial conversion of SBURB/SGRUB from Homestuck into DND 5e)
Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.
I forgot to mention that Weapon Mastery is displayed for 2014 characters too. Players are asking what this "Vex" property is and why it suddenly appeared on their character sheet.
All DnDB's worthless promises to leave 2014 character sheets alone (apart from updating terminology) have proved to be total BS.
It's either a massive, shameful, glaring bug, or some cynical attempt to move play to 2024 rules whether we like it or not - but it won't work. Our campaign has another five Earth years to go, and it will be played under 2014 rules. If that means abandoning B&D Beyond for a better platform, and never buying another source book from Hasbro, so be it.
Hasbro and Wizards don't respect players, so why should we respect them?
If you take a look at the front page of this bug forum, you will notice that it is a massive wall of unaddressed bugs, mostly around recent changes to dndbeyond. My opinion is that Hasbro and WotC are actively trying to kill dndbeyond because it is preventing them, in their view, from further monetizing what they see as missed opportunities, but those gold bars they think they're about to pick up are just moonlight, as this sort of ongoing nonsense is what will kill the community that made them a billion dollars.
This doesn't smell like a bug, it smells like a feature, and I'm making my popcorn for when the courts in EU and Canada decide what to do with this mess.
Yes, quite clearly it's an intentionally bad feature, not a bug.
But you'd hope that any competent, responsible, technically capable, customer-facing business would read and address issues submitted as bug reports instead of blatantly and shamelessly lying in their changelog while ignoring users.
I have to say, JC has dropped massively in my estimation.
We already knew that he doesn't play DnD and hasn't for many years, but it seems he's entirely gone over to the Dark Side now, taking the corporate shilling from Hasbro's grey-faced goons in return for treating DnD as just another product line.
As you say, it's the end for them because the community is far stronger than the brand.
OK, this is starting to turn into conspiracy theorizing.
DM, player & homebrewer(Current homebrew project is an unofficial conversion of SBURB/SGRUB from Homestuck into DND 5e)
Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.
I know, right, sure sounds like it, lol.
But if there's no intention of recognising and fixing flaws, then they are acceptable issues to DnD B... the rest is an attempt to process, rationalise and understand how that could be.
But I'd much rather be playing DnD than trying to understand why they's treat users with such contempt.
No more so than any other megacorp.
Do you get this upset at other toy companies for not listening to you & others like you specifically over the stuff you like? Because Hasbro is a toy company, & the shell of the WotC that was is just a label at this point akin to Parker Bros, marketing & financial flummery-aside. People still work at the label's building, but it doesn't have any effective independence.
DM, player & homebrewer(Current homebrew project is an unofficial conversion of SBURB/SGRUB from Homestuck into DND 5e)
Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.
I'm well aware of that... in fact it's pretty much my point. What's yours?
The fact is, they ask for bug reports and do nothing about them.
They make promises to the community, saying "We hear you! We rolled a 1 on Insight earlier. This is what we'll do.." and then do something different.
If you value your relationship with your customers and user-base, if you know you've already alienated the Community several times, if you know they have other options that you can't monetise, wouldn't you want to know what you're still getting wrong...? Any decent company would.
WotC is a division of a megacorp. It kinda prides itself on not being faceless. The game designers interact and offer clarifications on Twitter as part of their job. They listen to feedback, see where confusion lies and publish those clarifications in Sage Advice.
I'm just pointing out the cynicism that lies behind all this if existing users are no longer supported due to a cost-benefit calculation.
Downgrading account with intention to eventually cancel. I'm sick of their BS and jerking players around.
My 2014 character sheets are messed up.
It's easy to form conspiracy theories about a company that sends armed enforcers to a fan's house for opening the wrong pack of cards.
At which point, it's no longer a theory...
That said, it was never my intention for this tread to go that direction, but when folks lack a rational explanation for irrational behaviour, something fills the void. And WotC / BnDB's behaviour of late has indeed been bizarre, irrational and inexplicable... unless we entertain the possibility that the management team and senior designers are either a) incompetent or b) utterly disdainful of users and customers.
Anybody got an option c) for fairness?