There are features, creatures, and content that was not updated in the latter book, and sure hasn't been updated for 2024, but if you did not purchase them prior to the stealing of them from the shop (yes, they were stolen... the content still presents itself as existing in the character builder and even in the Library, but when you click on creatures or species or other content, it redirects you to a page talking about Legacy and implying you can buy the book, but won't let you.
Either make both books fully 100% (even the hidden content like the Legacy Yuan-Ti) free and available to everyone... or put them back in the store for the people that want to purchase them. It would be one thing if both books were fully 100% updated to 2024 rules with 2024 versions that the players who got the original digital content would get at a huge discount on the digital content (maybe even free if they choose to purchase a Physical Copy) and new players could purchase digital, physical, or a bundle of both (The Bundle would be how players that own the older version would get the free digital copy, as they would just buy the bundle for the physical and get the digital free as the discount for the bundle and the discount for owning the legacy version would stack for a free digital 2024).
Denying us the content, while parading it around or even hiding it encourages people to got to other sites for the content or acquire bootleg digital copies to read and stop using DnDBeyond entirely (especially people like me who already invested hundreds if not thousands in buying nearly every physical book available and just want to use the Encounter Builder to quickly access all the monsters without having to pull a dozen books off the shelf to find which book the Skulk or Haungharrask are in and see their stat blocks... btw, neither has been updated to 2024).
It's nonsense to say anything was "stolen", if you purchased the books prior to then being removed from the store you'll still have access to them. And if you didn't purchase the books, well something can't be stolen from you if you don't own it in the first place.
What options are missing exactly? It might be more constructive to your feedback if you list those out. For example you mentioned Yuan-ti, but that was updated in Monsters of the Multiverse. The skulk is also in MotM and the haingharrask is in dungeon of the mad mage so that monster has nothing to do with this topic
I can't tell what I need, because I don't know what all was taken until I click on something in the Encounter Builder, or in the table of contents of a Book that shows up in the Library, but then get messages that I need to buy the content, then it redirects to a page that says 'Legacy' and doesn't give me the option to buy the book... so, yes, it is stolen, because it is presented as having had it, it is shown to me that it is there, then taken from me the moment I click on it... it is a repeated theft of time and energy, I pay for the highest level of membership, I look for something that fits certain qualities in the encounter builder, and then when I click on what I am looking for, I am told I need to buy the book, then I'm redirected and told I can't buy it anymore... The MotM Skulk is not the same, it has different qualities, so the one I was looking for is the one that I was shown, not the one that didn't show up. A friend with one of the books was sharing in a campaign, but they had to quit do to school, suddenly I lose the version of the Yuan-Ti I was playing because I can't buy the book myself and had to delete my character to fix the error from it... That is stealing. I'm not asking for a refund, I am asking they restore either the content for access until it has been all updated to 2024 and thereby replaced by the new rules version (there is no 2024 Skulk, so MotM is just as much Legacy as the Tome of Foes... both of which are equally present in the Library) or put them back in the marketplace so people can buy them... the content exists, people own it, so why not allow others to buy it?
This is why I hear/see people always talking about roll20 and ******** and other places as better to go... the whole point of using DnDBeyond is so I don't have to go to multiple places to get the info, or spend hours flipping through dozens of physical books to find all the right creatures. So, by removing the option for me to buy the book, they have stolen my time and energy that I was forced to use not using their site to do what I pay them to use their site for...
You've asked for costs of digital sales to be folded into the subscription before.
This feels like an attempted bad-faith resurrection of that argument w/allegedly less people that will oppose your position.
Also, what SPECIFICALLY was so needed from Volo's & Mordenkainen that prompted this return to the folded costs rant, that was not updated or replicated elsewhere, & how do-or-die was it for your campaign?
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Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.
because it is presented as having had it, it is shown to me that it is there, then taken from me the moment I click on it.
All game options are presented in searches even if you don't own them, so no, nothing is being "stolen" from you. If you search for a monster you don't own the book for, it'll still show up in the search, you'll just be redirected to the marketplace. I logged out of my account and this is what I see when bringing up a 2024 MM monster:
This is not stealing.
A friend with one of the books was sharing in a campaign, but they had to quit do to school, suddenly I lose the version of the Yuan-Ti I was playing because I can't buy the book myself and had to delete my character to fix the error from it... That is stealing.
No, it's really not. The content was shared with you under specific conditions—master tier subscription, content sharing enabled, character in the appropriate campaign—and those criteria ended so the content sharing ended. You'd have maintained shared access to the content if you hadn't deleted it. That's on you. Nothing was stolen.
The MotM Skulk is not the same, it has different qualities
Yes, all the monsters were reviewed and many revised. You don't even know what these changes were because you don't have the book. So how can you know it's worth lamenting?
there is no 2024 Skulk, so MotM is just as much Legacy as the Tome of Foes... both of which are equally present in the Library
No, it's not. In fact, MotM was the first outing of the revised approach to monster CR and design that would later become the foundation for the 2024 MM. So there's not going to be a "2024 version" of the Skulk because the MotM Skulk is the "2024 version".
This is why I hear/see people always talking about roll20 and ******** and other places as better to go..
You can't buy Volo's Guide to Monsters or Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes there either. Those books have been fully discontinued everywhere.
they have stolen my time and energy that I was forced to use not using their site to do what I pay them to use their site for...
Nothing, at least nothing of value, has been stolen from you....
And for reference, here are all the monsters no reprinted between Volo's/Foes and MotM (no species were removed AFAIR):
Abyssal Wretch [MTOF]
Cow [VGTM]
Mind Flayer Lich (Illithilich) [VGTM]
Mind Flayer Psion [VGTM]
Orc Blade of Ilneval [VGTM]
Orc Claw of Luthic [VGTM]
Orc Hand of Yurtrus [VGTM]
Orc Nurtured One of Yurtrus [VGTM]
Orc Red Fang of Shargaas [VGTM]
Xvart Speaker [VGTM]
But one monster was added:
Dolphin Delighter
That's 10 monsters not reprinted out of a total of 283, or 4% rounding up. If you think you'll need any of those monsters and you own the physical books, you now know which books they're in and can enter them into DDB yourself.
because it is presented as having had it, it is shown to me that it is there, then taken from me the moment I click on it.
All game options are presented in searches even if you don't own them, so no, nothing is being "stolen" from you. If you search for a monster you don't own the book for, it'll still show up in the search, you'll just be redirected to the marketplace. I logged out of my account and this is what I see when bringing up a 2024 MM monster:
This is not stealing.
A friend with one of the books was sharing in a campaign, but they had to quit do to school, suddenly I lose the version of the Yuan-Ti I was playing because I can't buy the book myself and had to delete my character to fix the error from it... That is stealing.
No, it's really not. The content was shared with you under specific conditions—master tier subscription, content sharing enabled, character in the appropriate campaign—and those criteria ended so the content sharing ended. You'd have maintained shared access to the content if you hadn't deleted it. That's on you. Nothing was stolen.
The MotM Skulk is not the same, it has different qualities
Yes, all the monsters were reviewed and many revised. You don't even know what these changes were because you don't have the book. So how can you know it's worth lamenting?
there is no 2024 Skulk, so MotM is just as much Legacy as the Tome of Foes... both of which are equally present in the Library
No, it's not. In fact, MotM was the first outing of the revised approach to monster CR and design that would later become the foundation for the 2024 MM. So there's not going to be a "2024 version" of the Skulk because the MotM Skulk is the "2024 version".
This is why I hear/see people always talking about roll20 and ******** and other places as better to go..
You can't buy Volo's Guide to Monsters or Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes there either. Those books have been fully discontinued everywhere.
they have stolen my time and energy that I was forced to use not using their site to do what I pay them to use their site for...
Nothing, at least nothing of value, has been stolen from you....
And for reference, here are all the monsters no reprinted between Volo's/Foes and MotM (no species were removed AFAIR):
Abyssal Wretch [MTOF]
Cow [VGTM]
Mind Flayer Lich (Illithilich) [VGTM]
Mind Flayer Psion [VGTM]
Orc Blade of Ilneval [VGTM]
Orc Claw of Luthic [VGTM]
Orc Hand of Yurtrus [VGTM]
Orc Nurtured One of Yurtrus [VGTM]
Orc Red Fang of Shargaas [VGTM]
Xvart Speaker [VGTM]
But one monster was added:
Dolphin Delighter
That's 10 monsters not reprinted out of a total of 283, or 4% rounding up. If you think you'll need any of those monsters and you own the physical books, you now know which books they're in and can enter them into DDB yourself.
Cow didn't get reprinted? Ooh, that makes me have theories about what they were tryna pull in a game....
Because there's a VERY YouTuber-promoted 2014 Conjure Animals stratagem that's been overhyped to heck and back...
But, on a more serious note...
To the OP: if you needed these updated specifically, then your case is VERY niche. Like so many others with niches like Level 0/commoner support(No such thing exists RAW & the site isn't coded to handle null values), modular language packs(Does not work with the coding language Beyond uses) & folding 2024 into 2014(Not the Beyond Team's decision) because all(sic) of the changes are allegedly redoable as "optional class features"(There's so much wrong with that skewed bit that when I initially read that, my head asploded), among countless others.
I don't agree their over-monetization of what should be considered redundant duplicate sales, but to have a point, you need to have a more logical basis than 4% of multiple books, faulty cases in point, & outrage alone.
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Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.
The mechanical stuff has been replaced (in most cases improved), but MTF in particular contains lots of other interesting content. I think it's still easily the best source of information on devils and demons. The chapters on elves, dwarves, and gith are also great, even if some parts are now outdated. I think it's a shame that players who didn't buy the book in time miss out on all of that and instead have to settle for basically "idk, make it up yourself".
You've asked for costs of digital sales to be folded into the subscription before.
This feels like an attempted bad-faith resurrection of that argument w/allegedly less people that will oppose your position.
Also, what SPECIFICALLY was so needed from Volo's & Mordenkainen that prompted this return to the folded costs rant, that was not updated or replicated elsewhere, & how do-or-die was it for your campaign?
Actually, if you read, I presented that as an option, because of how DnDBeyond it posting things... they present the content as if it is already content for everyone by having it in the Library instead of removed from the Library's of people who don't have access. I am perfectly fine with purchasing it, if that is what is needed, my issue is that it says "Purchase it here" then tells me it is no longer available... the message on the Encounter Builder shouldn't imply it can be bought if it can't. You see it as folded costs, because you seek to dismiss that most people don't make the effort and just go to other sites instead... essentially you are supporting abandoning DnDBeyond, which is your choice, but I would rather support buying the content so I can use it (the way I did with physical books, which I go out of my way to buy, despite there being digital versions). SUPPORT THE CONTENT.
I am a DM on an Online West March style campaign, so myself and around a dozen other DMs are running multiple daily sessions, with some DMs cramming in two to four sessions in a day, with quests/missions running anywhere from 1.5 to upwards of 10 hours (usually 2-4 hours are scheduled, but sessions often go long, and some go off the rails long. I had to postpone my session with the Skulks by an hour because half the players for it were still in a mission that was supposed to run 3 hours and got to just short of 8 hours, with my session originally scheduled 4 hours after the officially intended end time so people in it and the other mission that started around the same time as it would both end in time... the other session ran long as well, but just before my original start time). So, when I look something up, I am usually trying to plan something in an hour or two for a few hours later, and try to mix things up with different encounters than "Goblinoids" "Bandits" "Kobolds" and "Pirates"... I have a literal Bunny Brigand Brigade (an ever growing horde of Harengon that are tentative allies of the Adventuring Company the Players are members of, which could possibly switch to confrontational if a party ends up enraging the wrong members) running out of the Bar, Barn, and Bastion (the Beautiful Brigand Bunny Bandits Bar, Barn, and Bastion by the Blissful Bay) (I also like alliteration).
because it is presented as having had it, it is shown to me that it is there, then taken from me the moment I click on it.
All game options are presented in searches even if you don't own them, so no, nothing is being "stolen" from you. If you search for a monster you don't own the book for, it'll still show up in the search, you'll just be redirected to the marketplace. I logged out of my account and this is what I see when bringing up a 2024 MM monster:
This is not stealing.
A friend with one of the books was sharing in a campaign, but they had to quit do to school, suddenly I lose the version of the Yuan-Ti I was playing because I can't buy the book myself and had to delete my character to fix the error from it... That is stealing.
No, it's really not. The content was shared with you under specific conditions—master tier subscription, content sharing enabled, character in the appropriate campaign—and those criteria ended so the content sharing ended. You'd have maintained shared access to the content if you hadn't deleted it. That's on you. Nothing was stolen.
The MotM Skulk is not the same, it has different qualities
Yes, all the monsters were reviewed and many revised. You don't even know what these changes were because you don't have the book. So how can you know it's worth lamenting?
there is no 2024 Skulk, so MotM is just as much Legacy as the Tome of Foes... both of which are equally present in the Library
No, it's not. In fact, MotM was the first outing of the revised approach to monster CR and design that would later become the foundation for the 2024 MM. So there's not going to be a "2024 version" of the Skulk because the MotM Skulk is the "2024 version".
This is why I hear/see people always talking about roll20 and ******** and other places as better to go..
You can't buy Volo's Guide to Monsters or Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes there either. Those books have been fully discontinued everywhere.
they have stolen my time and energy that I was forced to use not using their site to do what I pay them to use their site for...
Nothing, at least nothing of value, has been stolen from you....
And for reference, here are all the monsters no reprinted between Volo's/Foes and MotM (no species were removed AFAIR):
Abyssal Wretch [MTOF]
Cow [VGTM]
Mind Flayer Lich (Illithilich) [VGTM]
Mind Flayer Psion [VGTM]
Orc Blade of Ilneval [VGTM]
Orc Claw of Luthic [VGTM]
Orc Hand of Yurtrus [VGTM]
Orc Nurtured One of Yurtrus [VGTM]
Orc Red Fang of Shargaas [VGTM]
Xvart Speaker [VGTM]
But one monster was added:
Dolphin Delighter
That's 10 monsters not reprinted out of a total of 283, or 4% rounding up. If you think you'll need any of those monsters and you own the physical books, you now know which books they're in and can enter them into DDB yourself.
When you search for Resistances, Vulnerabilities, or Immunities, creatures that had them in one version show that version but not the version that had them taken off... like the Skulk... one version is resistant to Radiant Damage, the other isn't... so when I search for Resistant to Radiant Damage, encounter builder shows the one I can't read, but doesn't show the other one, because the other one doesn't fulfill the parameters... now, I then had to spend two hours digging through boxes to find a physical book that I paid for, so I could look up one stat block and take a picture to send to myself, so I could have access to it while running a campaign online and be able to reference the one that did fit. This is not the first time I have had to do this, because usually when I find something with the overlay of "Buy this to digital content to see it", I go to the store, and buy it... did it four times since I made this post... four different books added to my collection for 29.99 - 49.99 each. I want to have access, I want to support the company making the stuff. I'm disappointed that the Exploring Ebberon Physical Book doesn't match the content on DnDBeyond's version of it (but I don't want a refund, I want access the a physical copy of the DnDBeyond version... I want both, not just the new one, because I prefer options and variety, since it helps prevent metagaming... and thereby provides my players a much more diverse and exciting experience).
You've asked for costs of digital sales to be folded into the subscription before.
This feels like an attempted bad-faith resurrection of that argument w/allegedly less people that will oppose your position.
Also, what SPECIFICALLY was so needed from Volo's & Mordenkainen that prompted this return to the folded costs rant, that was not updated or replicated elsewhere, & how do-or-die was it for your campaign?
Actually, if you read, I presented that as an option, because of how DnDBeyond it posting things... they present the content as if it is already content for everyone by having it in the Library instead of removed from the Library's of people who don't have access. I am perfectly fine with purchasing it, if that is what is needed, my issue is that it says "Purchase it here" then tells me it is no longer available... the message on the Encounter Builder shouldn't imply it can be bought if it can't. You see it as folded costs, because you seek to dismiss that most people don't make the effort and just go to other sites instead... essentially you are supporting abandoning DnDBeyond, which is your choice, but I would rather support buying the content so I can use it (the way I did with physical books, which I go out of my way to buy, despite there being digital versions). SUPPORT THE CONTENT.
I am a DM on an Online West March style campaign, so myself and around a dozen other DMs are running multiple daily sessions, with some DMs cramming in two to four sessions in a day, with quests/missions running anywhere from 1.5 to upwards of 10 hours (usually 2-4 hours are scheduled, but sessions often go long, and some go off the rails long. I had to postpone my session with the Skulks by an hour because half the players for it were still in a mission that was supposed to run 3 hours and got to just short of 8 hours, with my session originally scheduled 4 hours after the officially intended end time so people in it and the other mission that started around the same time as it would both end in time... the other session ran long as well, but just before my original start time). So, when I look something up, I am usually trying to plan something in an hour or two for a few hours later, and try to mix things up with different encounters than "Goblinoids" "Bandits" "Kobolds" and "Pirates"... I have a literal Bunny Brigand Brigade (an ever growing horde of Harengon that are tentative allies of the Adventuring Company the Players are members of, which could possibly switch to confrontational if a party ends up enraging the wrong members) running out of the Bar, Barn, and Bastion (the Beautiful Brigand Bunny Bandits Bar, Barn, and Bastion by the Blissful Bay) (I also like alliteration).
because it is presented as having had it, it is shown to me that it is there, then taken from me the moment I click on it.
All game options are presented in searches even if you don't own them, so no, nothing is being "stolen" from you. If you search for a monster you don't own the book for, it'll still show up in the search, you'll just be redirected to the marketplace. I logged out of my account and this is what I see when bringing up a 2024 MM monster:
This is not stealing.
A friend with one of the books was sharing in a campaign, but they had to quit do to school, suddenly I lose the version of the Yuan-Ti I was playing because I can't buy the book myself and had to delete my character to fix the error from it... That is stealing.
No, it's really not. The content was shared with you under specific conditions—master tier subscription, content sharing enabled, character in the appropriate campaign—and those criteria ended so the content sharing ended. You'd have maintained shared access to the content if you hadn't deleted it. That's on you. Nothing was stolen.
The MotM Skulk is not the same, it has different qualities
Yes, all the monsters were reviewed and many revised. You don't even know what these changes were because you don't have the book. So how can you know it's worth lamenting?
there is no 2024 Skulk, so MotM is just as much Legacy as the Tome of Foes... both of which are equally present in the Library
No, it's not. In fact, MotM was the first outing of the revised approach to monster CR and design that would later become the foundation for the 2024 MM. So there's not going to be a "2024 version" of the Skulk because the MotM Skulk is the "2024 version".
This is why I hear/see people always talking about roll20 and ******** and other places as better to go..
You can't buy Volo's Guide to Monsters or Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes there either. Those books have been fully discontinued everywhere.
they have stolen my time and energy that I was forced to use not using their site to do what I pay them to use their site for...
Nothing, at least nothing of value, has been stolen from you....
And for reference, here are all the monsters no reprinted between Volo's/Foes and MotM (no species were removed AFAIR):
Abyssal Wretch [MTOF]
Cow [VGTM]
Mind Flayer Lich (Illithilich) [VGTM]
Mind Flayer Psion [VGTM]
Orc Blade of Ilneval [VGTM]
Orc Claw of Luthic [VGTM]
Orc Hand of Yurtrus [VGTM]
Orc Nurtured One of Yurtrus [VGTM]
Orc Red Fang of Shargaas [VGTM]
Xvart Speaker [VGTM]
But one monster was added:
Dolphin Delighter
That's 10 monsters not reprinted out of a total of 283, or 4% rounding up. If you think you'll need any of those monsters and you own the physical books, you now know which books they're in and can enter them into DDB yourself.
When you search for Resistances, Vulnerabilities, or Immunities, creatures that had them in one version show that version but not the version that had them taken off... like the Skulk... one version is resistant to Radiant Damage, the other isn't... so when I search for Resistant to Radiant Damage, encounter builder shows the one I can't read, but doesn't show the other one, because the other one doesn't fulfill the parameters... now, I then had to spend two hours digging through boxes to find a physical book that I paid for, so I could look up one stat block and take a picture to send to myself, so I could have access to it while running a campaign online and be able to reference the one that did fit. This is not the first time I have had to do this, because usually when I find something with the overlay of "Buy this to digital content to see it", I go to the store, and buy it... did it four times since I made this post... four different books added to my collection for 29.99 - 49.99 each. I want to have access, I want to support the company making the stuff. I'm disappointed that the Exploring Ebberon Physical Book doesn't match the content on DnDBeyond's version of it (but I don't want a refund, I want access the a physical copy of the DnDBeyond version... I want both, not just the new one, because I prefer options and variety, since it helps prevent metagaming... and thereby provides my players a much more diverse and exciting experience).
All this over 1 resistance to curb a cheating via metagaming problem in a Westmarches server, when it's WAY easier to kick out the cheaters? And a "No, YOU'RE for leaving the site", when I said nothing to that degree? This sounds more & more like a pre-existing issue is causing all of this.
You're also sounding like you're overworked and/or under/unfairly compensated by this Westmarches server if this was your breaking point. Maybe talk to the head of the server about the clear stress you're under.
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Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.
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Volo’s Guide to Monsters and Mordenkainen’s Tome of Foes were NOT replaced by Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse despite lies being told.
There are features, creatures, and content that was not updated in the latter book, and sure hasn't been updated for 2024, but if you did not purchase them prior to the stealing of them from the shop (yes, they were stolen... the content still presents itself as existing in the character builder and even in the Library, but when you click on creatures or species or other content, it redirects you to a page talking about Legacy and implying you can buy the book, but won't let you.
Either make both books fully 100% (even the hidden content like the Legacy Yuan-Ti) free and available to everyone... or put them back in the store for the people that want to purchase them. It would be one thing if both books were fully 100% updated to 2024 rules with 2024 versions that the players who got the original digital content would get at a huge discount on the digital content (maybe even free if they choose to purchase a Physical Copy) and new players could purchase digital, physical, or a bundle of both (The Bundle would be how players that own the older version would get the free digital copy, as they would just buy the bundle for the physical and get the digital free as the discount for the bundle and the discount for owning the legacy version would stack for a free digital 2024).
Denying us the content, while parading it around or even hiding it encourages people to got to other sites for the content or acquire bootleg digital copies to read and stop using DnDBeyond entirely (especially people like me who already invested hundreds if not thousands in buying nearly every physical book available and just want to use the Encounter Builder to quickly access all the monsters without having to pull a dozen books off the shelf to find which book the Skulk or Haungharrask are in and see their stat blocks... btw, neither has been updated to 2024).
It's nonsense to say anything was "stolen", if you purchased the books prior to then being removed from the store you'll still have access to them. And if you didn't purchase the books, well something can't be stolen from you if you don't own it in the first place.
What options are missing exactly? It might be more constructive to your feedback if you list those out. For example you mentioned Yuan-ti, but that was updated in Monsters of the Multiverse. The skulk is also in MotM and the haingharrask is in dungeon of the mad mage so that monster has nothing to do with this topic
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Methinks OP wants the lore, lair details & other fluff "updated".
DM, player & homebrewer(Current homebrew project is an unofficial conversion of SBURB/SGRUB from Homestuck into DND 5e)
Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.
I can't tell what I need, because I don't know what all was taken until I click on something in the Encounter Builder, or in the table of contents of a Book that shows up in the Library, but then get messages that I need to buy the content, then it redirects to a page that says 'Legacy' and doesn't give me the option to buy the book... so, yes, it is stolen, because it is presented as having had it, it is shown to me that it is there, then taken from me the moment I click on it... it is a repeated theft of time and energy, I pay for the highest level of membership, I look for something that fits certain qualities in the encounter builder, and then when I click on what I am looking for, I am told I need to buy the book, then I'm redirected and told I can't buy it anymore... The MotM Skulk is not the same, it has different qualities, so the one I was looking for is the one that I was shown, not the one that didn't show up. A friend with one of the books was sharing in a campaign, but they had to quit do to school, suddenly I lose the version of the Yuan-Ti I was playing because I can't buy the book myself and had to delete my character to fix the error from it... That is stealing. I'm not asking for a refund, I am asking they restore either the content for access until it has been all updated to 2024 and thereby replaced by the new rules version (there is no 2024 Skulk, so MotM is just as much Legacy as the Tome of Foes... both of which are equally present in the Library) or put them back in the marketplace so people can buy them... the content exists, people own it, so why not allow others to buy it?
This is why I hear/see people always talking about roll20 and ******** and other places as better to go... the whole point of using DnDBeyond is so I don't have to go to multiple places to get the info, or spend hours flipping through dozens of physical books to find all the right creatures. So, by removing the option for me to buy the book, they have stolen my time and energy that I was forced to use not using their site to do what I pay them to use their site for...
You've asked for costs of digital sales to be folded into the subscription before.
This feels like an attempted bad-faith resurrection of that argument w/allegedly less people that will oppose your position.
Also, what SPECIFICALLY was so needed from Volo's & Mordenkainen that prompted this return to the folded costs rant, that was not updated or replicated elsewhere, & how do-or-die was it for your campaign?
DM, player & homebrewer(Current homebrew project is an unofficial conversion of SBURB/SGRUB from Homestuck into DND 5e)
Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.
All game options are presented in searches even if you don't own them, so no, nothing is being "stolen" from you. If you search for a monster you don't own the book for, it'll still show up in the search, you'll just be redirected to the marketplace. I logged out of my account and this is what I see when bringing up a 2024 MM monster:
This is not stealing.
No, it's really not. The content was shared with you under specific conditions—master tier subscription, content sharing enabled, character in the appropriate campaign—and those criteria ended so the content sharing ended. You'd have maintained shared access to the content if you hadn't deleted it. That's on you. Nothing was stolen.
Yes, all the monsters were reviewed and many revised. You don't even know what these changes were because you don't have the book. So how can you know it's worth lamenting?
No, it's not. In fact, MotM was the first outing of the revised approach to monster CR and design that would later become the foundation for the 2024 MM. So there's not going to be a "2024 version" of the Skulk because the MotM Skulk is the "2024 version".
You can't buy Volo's Guide to Monsters or Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes there either. Those books have been fully discontinued everywhere.
Nothing, at least nothing of value, has been stolen from you....
And for reference, here are all the monsters no reprinted between Volo's/Foes and MotM (no species were removed AFAIR):
But one monster was added:
That's 10 monsters not reprinted out of a total of 283, or 4% rounding up. If you think you'll need any of those monsters and you own the physical books, you now know which books they're in and can enter them into DDB yourself.
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Cow didn't get reprinted? Ooh, that makes me have theories about what they were tryna pull in a game....
Because there's a VERY YouTuber-promoted 2014 Conjure Animals stratagem that's been overhyped to heck and back...
But, on a more serious note...
To the OP: if you needed these updated specifically, then your case is VERY niche. Like so many others with niches like Level 0/commoner support(No such thing exists RAW & the site isn't coded to handle null values), modular language packs(Does not work with the coding language Beyond uses) & folding 2024 into 2014(Not the Beyond Team's decision) because all(sic) of the changes are allegedly redoable as "optional class features"(There's so much wrong with that skewed bit that when I initially read that, my head asploded), among countless others.
I don't agree their over-monetization of what should be considered redundant duplicate sales, but to have a point, you need to have a more logical basis than 4% of multiple books, faulty cases in point, & outrage alone.
DM, player & homebrewer(Current homebrew project is an unofficial conversion of SBURB/SGRUB from Homestuck into DND 5e)
Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.
The mechanical stuff has been replaced (in most cases improved), but MTF in particular contains lots of other interesting content. I think it's still easily the best source of information on devils and demons. The chapters on elves, dwarves, and gith are also great, even if some parts are now outdated. I think it's a shame that players who didn't buy the book in time miss out on all of that and instead have to settle for basically "idk, make it up yourself".
Actually, if you read, I presented that as an option, because of how DnDBeyond it posting things... they present the content as if it is already content for everyone by having it in the Library instead of removed from the Library's of people who don't have access. I am perfectly fine with purchasing it, if that is what is needed, my issue is that it says "Purchase it here" then tells me it is no longer available... the message on the Encounter Builder shouldn't imply it can be bought if it can't. You see it as folded costs, because you seek to dismiss that most people don't make the effort and just go to other sites instead... essentially you are supporting abandoning DnDBeyond, which is your choice, but I would rather support buying the content so I can use it (the way I did with physical books, which I go out of my way to buy, despite there being digital versions). SUPPORT THE CONTENT.
I am a DM on an Online West March style campaign, so myself and around a dozen other DMs are running multiple daily sessions, with some DMs cramming in two to four sessions in a day, with quests/missions running anywhere from 1.5 to upwards of 10 hours (usually 2-4 hours are scheduled, but sessions often go long, and some go off the rails long. I had to postpone my session with the Skulks by an hour because half the players for it were still in a mission that was supposed to run 3 hours and got to just short of 8 hours, with my session originally scheduled 4 hours after the officially intended end time so people in it and the other mission that started around the same time as it would both end in time... the other session ran long as well, but just before my original start time). So, when I look something up, I am usually trying to plan something in an hour or two for a few hours later, and try to mix things up with different encounters than "Goblinoids" "Bandits" "Kobolds" and "Pirates"... I have a literal Bunny Brigand Brigade (an ever growing horde of Harengon that are tentative allies of the Adventuring Company the Players are members of, which could possibly switch to confrontational if a party ends up enraging the wrong members) running out of the Bar, Barn, and Bastion (the Beautiful Brigand Bunny Bandits Bar, Barn, and Bastion by the Blissful Bay) (I also like alliteration).
When you search for Resistances, Vulnerabilities, or Immunities, creatures that had them in one version show that version but not the version that had them taken off... like the Skulk... one version is resistant to Radiant Damage, the other isn't... so when I search for Resistant to Radiant Damage, encounter builder shows the one I can't read, but doesn't show the other one, because the other one doesn't fulfill the parameters... now, I then had to spend two hours digging through boxes to find a physical book that I paid for, so I could look up one stat block and take a picture to send to myself, so I could have access to it while running a campaign online and be able to reference the one that did fit. This is not the first time I have had to do this, because usually when I find something with the overlay of "Buy this to digital content to see it", I go to the store, and buy it... did it four times since I made this post... four different books added to my collection for 29.99 - 49.99 each. I want to have access, I want to support the company making the stuff. I'm disappointed that the Exploring Ebberon Physical Book doesn't match the content on DnDBeyond's version of it (but I don't want a refund, I want access the a physical copy of the DnDBeyond version... I want both, not just the new one, because I prefer options and variety, since it helps prevent metagaming... and thereby provides my players a much more diverse and exciting experience).
All this over 1 resistance to curb a cheating via metagaming problem in a Westmarches server, when it's WAY easier to kick out the cheaters? And a "No, YOU'RE for leaving the site", when I said nothing to that degree? This sounds more & more like a pre-existing issue is causing all of this.
You're also sounding like you're overworked and/or under/unfairly compensated by this Westmarches server if this was your breaking point. Maybe talk to the head of the server about the clear stress you're under.
DM, player & homebrewer(Current homebrew project is an unofficial conversion of SBURB/SGRUB from Homestuck into DND 5e)
Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.