This is what I see coming given the general statements of the ones in charge of things. It's currently a major concern for our TT group and our online group. Should it go the way of the hated video game microtransactions and book material with less and less effort and parts held out to be sold later as "additional supplements" then we will find a new system. If we reach that point, it currently appears none of our groups/players want to support wotc and mattel.
This continues to look like it's going in the wrong direction for the hobby. So in the poll above, if my only possible answers are "yes or no" to looking forward to 1dnd. Then I currently have to say no.
Personally, I am excited about OneD&D. In particular, looking forward to seeing what they end up doing with feats--5e's lack of customization options is one of my biggest problems with the edition, and a more complex feat system could go a long way toward making character design more interesting.
I will say I think the fearmongering about monetization stems more from poor readings of what Wizards actually said, as amplified by the clickbait-prone mess that is gaming journalism and social media personalities who do not even pretend to follow journalistic ethics.
Let's look briefly at the two most commonly cited issues--the "under monetized" comment and the new OGL terms. The under monetized thing does sound pretty bad to a layperson - as if Wizards is trying to squeeze more money from their players. That is not exactly what they said, however. A more accurate translation would be that Wizards recognizes that the game has always been funded by DMs--the 20% of players who buy books and are more likely to buy things like licensed miniatures. That means 80% of their player base is "under monetized" (a corporate term for "not paying even though they could financially do so." Wizards, contrary to the assertions against them, clearly understood in their fire side chat some basic facts about the game, acknowledging that they did not want to grow the game by trying to squeeze more blood from the already taxed DMs, and instead saw an opportunity to make new things that might appeal to players. More options and more products of a wider range is hardly a bad thing--what will matter is how Wizards goes about doing that, and it simply is too early to tell and any doom sayer who says otherwise is fearmongering without data.
The changes to the OGL are also hardly surprising and reflect the current reality of the world we live in. For starters, there is the whole mess with grifter NFTs that Wizards wants to avoid--they certainly do not want someone taking OGL content and trying to profit in a way that is not conductive to the game, and the current OGL does not really cover that novel situation. More importantly, Wizards is very, very good at data collection--they have entire teams combing through surveys, product reviews, and sales to see what kinds of product folks like and want more of. For most of the game's history, that last data point--what kind of products sell well--have been controlled primarily by Wizards. But a rise in independent publishing, facilitated by the internet and things like Kickstarter has made it a lot easier for third-parties to make highly successful content using the OGL. Wizards does not capture those sales data--which means they are not getting the product data on what players like. The new OGL addresses that by getting Wizards more data on what kinds of products are being sold in large quantities by third-parties. That, in turn, provides Wizards better data so they can improve their official products. Again, not a bad thing per se and any freaking out about it is premature.
THIS!
Thank you for saying this. It’s brilliant and seriously, I screenshot it and I’m posting it on Twitter. Did you see the article put out by Gizmodo today? This whole panic is getting out of hand. And we can blame it all on one creator; Nerd Immersion on YouTube. Never have I seen this community so upended over nonsense. Anyways, great comment and you said it in a way I could never. 🙏🏼
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"...Debts must always be paid, sometimes in more than blood and gold. But this is Ordo Ursa," Ren places his hand on Erakas's chest, right where the Dragonborn's heart is. "Right here. And it always has been and always will be. Don't ever forget that. Because I won't."
Serandis Mendaen (Aereni Elven Rogue/maybe one day Wizard)- Project Point Playtest
How so? There is nothing that has stated as such. All the UAs have been free. The SRD will be free. D&D Beyond is already a subscription service. I’m confused as to comments like this, can you explain? Maybe I’m missing something. Thanks 🙏🏼
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"...Debts must always be paid, sometimes in more than blood and gold. But this is Ordo Ursa," Ren places his hand on Erakas's chest, right where the Dragonborn's heart is. "Right here. And it always has been and always will be. Don't ever forget that. Because I won't."
Serandis Mendaen (Aereni Elven Rogue/maybe one day Wizard)- Project Point Playtest
Unless this is reversed. I'm not touching 6th edition and I'm doing my damnedest to turn people away from it.
There is nothing to reverse, because nothing has happened. That article is speculating, on what is claimed to be part of a leak, of a draft, of a document that doesn't actually exist yet. None of that tells us anything about what is to come.
Oh boy! I'm sooo looking forward to a totally sanitized set of settings, that WOTC has absolute stranglehold control over, a fan creator community that lives under a reign of terror that the Stasi would call excessively strict, and being nickel-and-dimed to death via micro-transactions on WOTC's proprietary VTT program... Oh; and having my imagination be a wholly owned subsidiary of the Hasbro corporation!
... That was sarcasm in case anyone couldn't tell. Yeah no: if the current direction of the OGL and the words of WOTC's higher ups are anything to go by; I'll either be sticking with 5e, or finding somewhere else.
Oh boy! I'm sooo looking forward to a totally sanitized set of settings, that WOTC has absolute stranglehold control over, a fan creator community that lives under a reign of terror that the Stasi would call excessively strict, and being nickel-and-dimed to death via micro-transactions on WOTC's proprietary VTT program... Oh; and having my imagination be a wholly owned subsidiary of the Hasbro corporation!
... That was sarcasm in case anyone couldn't tell. Yeah no: if the current direction of the OGL and the words of WOTC's higher ups are anything to go by; I'll either be sticking with 5e, or finding somewhere else.
You do understand that when 6e comes out, wotc will shut down as many outlets for 5e as they can. That is standard practice when a new edition comes out. wotc did that very recently with Volo's and the original Mord's.
Oh I'm all too aware of that; in fact, I'd be surprised if this crackdown weren't significantly harder than just memory-holing past products from purchase and online access... there's ways around that though.
The one thing I am hoping they fix is concentration saving throws. It's broken in 5e in Tier III and IV. By mid-tier III, there is at least one attack per round that is virtually impossible to save (DC 30+). Even with a 20 in the relevant stats, most creatures and PCs will only save on a 20. (5%). And the problem gets worse as more things happen. It works fine in Tier I and Tier II, but really needs rework because damage scales with level or CR, but saving throws are affected by Bounded Accuracy.
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Slim -- Halfling Cleric -- CoS (future Lord of Waterdeep 😁)
506 (35.6%) Yes, I am looking forward to OneDnD in 2024.
487 (34.3%) I am not sure yet. It is too soon to tell.
368 (25.9%) No, I am not looking forward to OneDnD in 2024.
59 (4.2%) Show me the Votes
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And the one at the top of this thread is now 65% of respondents NOT looking forward to 6e.
Yep, all 64 of them...
I find it amusing that 64 now is trivial, yet some 30 or 40 voices on this site are also considered the masses, as I see so many statements of "this is what the community wants" by said 40. It can't go both ways. And yes, 64, if that is the number of votes cast, leaning so hard one way, on an extremely pro-wotc site, if I was a marketing guy, I would take notice.
Do you consider Reddit pro or anti WotC?
I do find the numbers here interesting, but the numbers on reddit are significantly greater and also interesting.
506 (35.6%) Yes, I am looking forward to OneDnD in 2024.
487 (34.3%) I am not sure yet. It is too soon to tell.
368 (25.9%) No, I am not looking forward to OneDnD in 2024.
59 (4.2%) Show me the Votes
2 days 12 hours left
And the one at the top of this thread is now 65% of respondents NOT looking forward to 6e.
Yep, all 64 of them...
I find it amusing that 64 now is trivial, yet some 30 or 40 voices on this site are also considered the masses, as I see so many statements of "this is what the community wants" by said 40. It can't go both ways. And yes, 64, if that is the number of votes cast, leaning so hard one way, on an extremely pro-wotc site, if I was a marketing guy, I would take notice.
Do you consider Reddit pro or anti WotC?
I do find the numbers here interesting, but the numbers on reddit are significantly greater and also interesting.
There's some negative news making the rounds now which is affecting the vote. I suspect WotC will make some concessions to the OGL, release it, and things will calm down somewhat ahead of the 2024 release.
And if they don't, well, my 5e books haven't gone anywhere.
This is what I see coming given the general statements of the ones in charge of things. It's currently a major concern for our TT group and our online group.
Should it go the way of the hated video game microtransactions and book material with less and less effort and parts held out to be sold later as "additional supplements" then we will find a new system. If we reach that point, it currently appears none of our groups/players want to support wotc and mattel.
This continues to look like it's going in the wrong direction for the hobby. So in the poll above, if my only possible answers are "yes or no" to looking forward to 1dnd. Then I currently have to say no.
THIS!
Thank you for saying this. It’s brilliant and seriously, I screenshot it and I’m posting it on Twitter. Did you see the article put out by Gizmodo today? This whole panic is getting out of hand. And we can blame it all on one creator; Nerd Immersion on YouTube. Never have I seen this community so upended over nonsense. Anyways, great comment and you said it in a way I could never. 🙏🏼
"...Debts must always be paid, sometimes in more than blood and gold. But this is Ordo Ursa," Ren places his hand on Erakas's chest, right where the Dragonborn's heart is. "Right here. And it always has been and always will be. Don't ever forget that. Because I won't."
Serandis Mendaen (Aereni Elven Rogue/maybe one day Wizard)- Project Point Playtest
How so? There is nothing that has stated as such. All the UAs have been free. The SRD will be free. D&D Beyond is already a subscription service. I’m confused as to comments like this, can you explain? Maybe I’m missing something. Thanks 🙏🏼
"...Debts must always be paid, sometimes in more than blood and gold. But this is Ordo Ursa," Ren places his hand on Erakas's chest, right where the Dragonborn's heart is. "Right here. And it always has been and always will be. Don't ever forget that. Because I won't."
Serandis Mendaen (Aereni Elven Rogue/maybe one day Wizard)- Project Point Playtest
Not after the news about the new OGL came out. Hasbro intends to sell us this game while burning down the rest of the industry. https://gizmodo.com/dnd-wizards-of-the-coast-ogl-1-1-open-gaming-license-1849950634
Unless this is reversed. I'm not touching 6th edition and I'm doing my damnedest to turn people away from it.
There is nothing to reverse, because nothing has happened. That article is speculating, on what is claimed to be part of a leak, of a draft, of a document that doesn't actually exist yet. None of that tells us anything about what is to come.
It’s a draft document, and hopefully a lot is going to change, but as-is, it seems pretty grim from the one lawyer’s analysis of it I’ve seen.
Disappointing.
https://medium.com/@MyLawyerFriend/lets-take-a-minute-to-talk-about-d-d-s-open-gaming-license-ogl-581312d48e2f
It's hard to provide an opinion until I see the finished product. There is allot that can change between now and release. I'll check back in a year.
Oh boy! I'm sooo looking forward to a totally sanitized set of settings, that WOTC has absolute stranglehold control over, a fan creator community that lives under a reign of terror that the Stasi would call excessively strict, and being nickel-and-dimed to death via micro-transactions on WOTC's proprietary VTT program... Oh; and having my imagination be a wholly owned subsidiary of the Hasbro corporation!
... That was sarcasm in case anyone couldn't tell. Yeah no: if the current direction of the OGL and the words of WOTC's higher ups are anything to go by; I'll either be sticking with 5e, or finding somewhere else.
Oh I'm all too aware of that; in fact, I'd be surprised if this crackdown weren't significantly harder than just memory-holing past products from purchase and online access... there's ways around that though.
Update from the Reddit Poll
She/Her College Student Player and Dungeon Master
The one thing I am hoping they fix is concentration saving throws. It's broken in 5e in Tier III and IV. By mid-tier III, there is at least one attack per round that is virtually impossible to save (DC 30+). Even with a 20 in the relevant stats, most creatures and PCs will only save on a 20. (5%). And the problem gets worse as more things happen. It works fine in Tier I and Tier II, but really needs rework because damage scales with level or CR, but saving throws are affected by Bounded Accuracy.
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DM -- Elanon -- Homebrew world
Gronn -- Tiefling Warlock -- Amarath
Slim -- Halfling Cleric -- CoS (future Lord of Waterdeep 😁)
Bran -- Human Wizard - RoT
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Yep, all 64 of them...
She/Her College Student Player and Dungeon Master
Do you consider Reddit pro or anti WotC?
I do find the numbers here interesting, but the numbers on reddit are significantly greater and also interesting.
She/Her College Student Player and Dungeon Master
Both.
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There's some negative news making the rounds now which is affecting the vote. I suspect WotC will make some concessions to the OGL, release it, and things will calm down somewhat ahead of the 2024 release.
And if they don't, well, my 5e books haven't gone anywhere.
Only If I can use DnDB in Foundry, like now