I was just wondering if anyone knew how dnd beyond is going to integrate the new rulebooks when they drop to the players' already existing characters?
For example, I have a level 13 sorcerer that I've been playing with for the past 2 years and I've already pre-ordered the new players hand book. When the book drops in September will my sorcerer already be changed (with the little blue "!" Flags telling me that i have to fill in some information) or will I have to go through the trouble of recreating him and all of his items and feats etc. using the character builder?
I have the sneaking suspicion that I'm going to have to rebuild my sorcerer from scratch to get the stuff from the new books rather than it being automatically added to my existing character.
I have the sneaking suspicion that I'm going to have to rebuild my sorcerer from scratch to get the stuff from the new books rather than it being automatically added to my existing character.
I guess we'll have to wait and see🤔
I have a sneaking suspicion that forcibly updating people's characters would cause more backlash than you opting in would 😛
I disagree. If you've bought the new books then you likely want the update. Doesn't that make more sense than buying the new books for the updated classes and then being upset when they're updated?
Also the updated classes give you things rather than taking them away (with few exceptions like ranger). I had imagined that once the new classes dropped then I'd have the option to add on their benefits OR just leave my current character the way it is.
We won't really know until the books are released i guess.
I disagree. If you've bought the new books then you likely want the update.
For every single one of your characters, regardless of what's happening in the respective campaign or your DM's wishes? Wouldn't it make more sense to let us control that process?
I disagree. If you've bought the new books then you likely want the update. Doesn't that make more sense than buying the new books for the updated classes and then being upset when they're updated?
Also the updated classes give you things rather than taking them away (with few exceptions like ranger). I had imagined that once the new classes dropped then I'd have the option to add on their benefits OR just leave my current character the way it is.
We won't really know until the books are released i guess.
I'm not anticipating moving everything to 2024 straight away, I've got a couple of 2014 campaigns on the go that'll continue for a while, and I'm likely to start running a campaign under 2024 rules fairly soon after publication. That means wanting to control state on a character by character basis.
What would be helpful would be a converter, but I'm not holding out much hope.
Ah interesting, in my current game we are all switching over once the material drops.
Yea i agree- a converter would be awesome but i strongly suspect that we'd have to rebuild the characters from scratch. It's not the end of the world- just a minor inconvenience. It's just a little annoying is all and I'm a little sentimental about my current character sheet.
I daresay that it'll be fairly automatic in that it'll keep most of your choices and then just remove the ones that don't fit. Like, at the moment, you can change your class, and it keeps all the choices that are still valid then prompts you to make/remake the choices that are new or no longer valid. I'd guess that in terms of coding, the new 2024e classes will be treated as 12 new classes.
Of course, that's no guarantee that that's how it'll work, but it's what makes sense to me.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
I daresay that it'll be fairly automatic in that it'll keep most of your choices and then just remove the ones that don't fit. Like, at the moment, you can change your class, and it keeps all the choices that are still valid then prompts you to make/remake the choices that are new or no longer valid. I'd guess that in terms of coding, the new 2024e classes will be treated as 12 new classes.
Of course, that's no guarantee that that's how it'll work, but it's what makes sense to me.
Ah interesting, in my current game we are all switching over once the material drops.
Yea i agree- a converter would be awesome but i strongly suspect that we'd have to rebuild the characters from scratch. It's not the end of the world- just a minor inconvenience. It's just a little annoying is all and I'm a little sentimental about my current character sheet.
I'd think most people would want to re-build. If only because of all the changes mean your existing build might not quite work. In particular we know they're going to change a lot of spells to some degree. People might have some very different ideas about which spells they want to know after they change. Also at least some feats won't do what they used to do, and therefore might be more or less attractive than they are currently.
Ah interesting, in my current game we are all switching over once the material drops.
Yea i agree- a converter would be awesome but i strongly suspect that we'd have to rebuild the characters from scratch. It's not the end of the world- just a minor inconvenience. It's just a little annoying is all and I'm a little sentimental about my current character sheet.
I'd think most people would want to re-build. If only because of all the changes mean your existing build might not quite work. In particular we know they're going to change a lot of spells to some degree. People might have some very different ideas about which spells they want to know after they change. Also at least some feats won't do what they used to do, and therefore might be more or less attractive than they are currently.
Agreed but spells and feats are easy to swap out in the character builder. It's not something that strictly warrants a whole rebuild. Like i can go in right now and change any spells i want or add or delete any feats i want.
I just preordered the books because I am going to buy them all anyway and wanted the digital content discount!
I am wondering if home brew content will be impacted at all with the new rules.
I have a campaign I created and while I want to use it as a platform to try out the next version of D&D, I do have some unique races I want to add into the campaign and would like to integrate this into D&D Beyond.
Ah interesting, in my current game we are all switching over once the material drops.
Yea i agree- a converter would be awesome but i strongly suspect that we'd have to rebuild the characters from scratch. It's not the end of the world- just a minor inconvenience. It's just a little annoying is all and I'm a little sentimental about my current character sheet.
At the moment I'm a PC in one, DM in one online using DDB and planning two other DM opportunities, one IRL and one online.
We've got no plan to migrate the one I'm a PC in, and I've no plan to migrate the DM one. Of the two I'm planning, the IRL will be afresh so I'm inclined to launch on the new rules. The online, depends on the players.
I would want the choice even if I am buying the new books. That does not mean I automatically want to switch over. I am hopeful they will provide a toggle for content choice especially given that they have renamed the core books with the 2014 tag.
Once we see all three core books we may switch over but odds are we will leave the 2014 campaign characters using the 2014 rules. I personally have many questions and want to look over all three books first as you need them to really know whether the system works and I already have my doubts that things are as backwards compatible as claimed.
We have seen Beyond handle revisions in the past with the release MMoM. Past practice would indicate that they will support 2014 characters etc and add the legacy tag. The only speedbump I can see is making sure 2014 races/lineages don't interact with 2024 backgrounds, and let players double dip their stats
If they are going to allow both options from 2014 and 2024, then this should be possible in D&D Beyond. I would guess that the legacy content would need to be there in the character options, but maybe tucked away off to the side so it doesn’t mistakenly interfere with the updated rules when you activate those.
they have said that you can run 20`14 characters under the 2024 rules without changing them but they won't have the new abilities. They have also said that you shouldn't try to run 2024 PCs under the 2014 rules as it doesn't work well. They have suggested that you rebuild older characters under the new rules. I suspect that as things drop DDB will be rolling out a new character builder for the 2024 rules but will maintain the legacy 2014 builder (without further updates) for at least a year or 2. In the past, if you had older versions you were able to keep them and use them but they were no longer available for purchase. I expect this to hold true for the 2024 materials.
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Hey all,
I was just wondering if anyone knew how dnd beyond is going to integrate the new rulebooks when they drop to the players' already existing characters?
For example, I have a level 13 sorcerer that I've been playing with for the past 2 years and I've already pre-ordered the new players hand book. When the book drops in September will my sorcerer already be changed (with the little blue "!" Flags telling me that i have to fill in some information) or will I have to go through the trouble of recreating him and all of his items and feats etc. using the character builder?
Thanks for the quick response.
I have the sneaking suspicion that I'm going to have to rebuild my sorcerer from scratch to get the stuff from the new books rather than it being automatically added to my existing character.
I guess we'll have to wait and see🤔
I have a sneaking suspicion that forcibly updating people's characters would cause more backlash than you opting in would 😛
I disagree. If you've bought the new books then you likely want the update. Doesn't that make more sense than buying the new books for the updated classes and then being upset when they're updated?
Also the updated classes give you things rather than taking them away (with few exceptions like ranger). I had imagined that once the new classes dropped then I'd have the option to add on their benefits OR just leave my current character the way it is.
We won't really know until the books are released i guess.
For every single one of your characters, regardless of what's happening in the respective campaign or your DM's wishes? Wouldn't it make more sense to let us control that process?
I'm not anticipating moving everything to 2024 straight away, I've got a couple of 2014 campaigns on the go that'll continue for a while, and I'm likely to start running a campaign under 2024 rules fairly soon after publication. That means wanting to control state on a character by character basis.
What would be helpful would be a converter, but I'm not holding out much hope.
Ah interesting, in my current game we are all switching over once the material drops.
Yea i agree- a converter would be awesome but i strongly suspect that we'd have to rebuild the characters from scratch. It's not the end of the world- just a minor inconvenience. It's just a little annoying is all and I'm a little sentimental about my current character sheet.
I daresay that it'll be fairly automatic in that it'll keep most of your choices and then just remove the ones that don't fit. Like, at the moment, you can change your class, and it keeps all the choices that are still valid then prompts you to make/remake the choices that are new or no longer valid. I'd guess that in terms of coding, the new 2024e classes will be treated as 12 new classes.
Of course, that's no guarantee that that's how it'll work, but it's what makes sense to me.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
🤞🏽🤞🏽 Here's to hoping!
I'd think most people would want to re-build. If only because of all the changes mean your existing build might not quite work. In particular we know they're going to change a lot of spells to some degree. People might have some very different ideas about which spells they want to know after they change. Also at least some feats won't do what they used to do, and therefore might be more or less attractive than they are currently.
Agreed but spells and feats are easy to swap out in the character builder. It's not something that strictly warrants a whole rebuild. Like i can go in right now and change any spells i want or add or delete any feats i want.
I just preordered the books because I am going to buy them all anyway and wanted the digital content discount!
I am wondering if home brew content will be impacted at all with the new rules.
I have a campaign I created and while I want to use it as a platform to try out the next version of D&D, I do have some unique races I want to add into the campaign and would like to integrate this into D&D Beyond.
"What you saw belongs to you. A story doesn't live until it is imagined in someone's mind."
― Brandon Sanderson, The Way of Kings
At the moment I'm a PC in one, DM in one online using DDB and planning two other DM opportunities, one IRL and one online.
We've got no plan to migrate the one I'm a PC in, and I've no plan to migrate the DM one. Of the two I'm planning, the IRL will be afresh so I'm inclined to launch on the new rules. The online, depends on the players.
I would want the choice even if I am buying the new books. That does not mean I automatically want to switch over. I am hopeful they will provide a toggle for content choice especially given that they have renamed the core books with the 2014 tag.
Once we see all three core books we may switch over but odds are we will leave the 2014 campaign characters using the 2014 rules. I personally have many questions and want to look over all three books first as you need them to really know whether the system works and I already have my doubts that things are as backwards compatible as claimed.
We have seen Beyond handle revisions in the past with the release MMoM. Past practice would indicate that they will support 2014 characters etc and add the legacy tag. The only speedbump I can see is making sure 2014 races/lineages don't interact with 2024 backgrounds, and let players double dip their stats
If they are going to allow both options from 2014 and 2024, then this should be possible in D&D Beyond. I would guess that the legacy content would need to be there in the character options, but maybe tucked away off to the side so it doesn’t mistakenly interfere with the updated rules when you activate those.
"What you saw belongs to you. A story doesn't live until it is imagined in someone's mind."
― Brandon Sanderson, The Way of Kings
they have said that you can run 20`14 characters under the 2024 rules without changing them but they won't have the new abilities. They have also said that you shouldn't try to run 2024 PCs under the 2014 rules as it doesn't work well. They have suggested that you rebuild older characters under the new rules. I suspect that as things drop DDB will be rolling out a new character builder for the 2024 rules but will maintain the legacy 2014 builder (without further updates) for at least a year or 2. In the past, if you had older versions you were able to keep them and use them but they were no longer available for purchase. I expect this to hold true for the 2024 materials.
Wisea$$ DM and Player since 1979.