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I want either a Druid or Ranger subclass that explores what a 5th ed version of the 4th ed Shaman class would look like, centered around summoning and buffing a singe spirit monster.
I'd also like to see some sort of....probably Bard, that centers around using their actions to let other party members do things on the Bard's turn, almost like the 4th ed Warlord used to do. I want the power to make other characters my pokemon on my turn.
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I want either a Druid or Ranger subclass that explores what a 5th ed version of the 4th ed Shaman class would look like, centered around summoning and buffing a singe spirit monster.
I'd also like to see some sort of....probably Bard, that centers around using their actions to let other party members do things on the Bard's turn, almost like the 4th ed Warlord used to do. I want the power to make other characters my pokemon on my turn.
Cool ideas. There is the Beast Master ranger and Drakewarden ranger, if you're looking for that.
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Not quite the vibe I wanted from those two subclasses.
Understandable. You're thinking of a more magical way than just having a cool pet? If so, I love your thought process.
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Yeah, sadly the Shaman class sits in a weird spot that is just not quite a Ranger or a Druid. Most of the other 4th ed oddities managed to get incorporated into subclasses well enough. Just a few didn't quite fit.
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every class should get cool new subclasses. And looking at the 2024 PHB, most of them are pretty cool. And there are so many concepts still untapped!
Artificer: Photonforger to forge light into solid objects, Enhancer to really crank up magic items to the next level, Mechromancer to control a whole swath of machines
Barbarian: Path of the Bloodrager to have a spell casting barbarian, Path of the Juggernaut to have a heavy armored barbarian
Bard: College of Comedy, College of Misery, College of Legends, College of Fiction, just so many possibilities
Cleric: Pick a thing, make a domain out of it, nearly endless potential
Druid: Plant druid, we still have not a dedicated druid that is only about plants
Fighter: real Gunslinger to incorporate the 2024 firearms, duelists, shieldmasters that really get everything out of a shield, weaponmasters that really want to use all types of weapons
Monk: a monk that can actually use heavy weapons or at least polearms, a zen-archer
Paladin: Oaths of Elementals, Balance or Chaos
Ranger: a urban ranger, a aquatic ranger
Rogue: the piloting scoundrel, the outlaw with a gun
Sorcerer: elemental or fiendish bloodline
Warlock: a dragon patron, a giant patron, a mortal patron?
With the Warlock, I guess they missed a trick with Fizban's and Bigby's. Might have been cool to play Merlin from the BBC TV series!
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every class should get cool new subclasses. And looking at the 2024 PHB, most of them are pretty cool. And there are so many concepts still untapped!
Artificer: Photonforger to forge light into solid objects, Enhancer to really crank up magic items to the next level, Mechromancer to control a whole swath of machines
Barbarian: Path of the Bloodrager to have a spell casting barbarian, Path of the Juggernaut to have a heavy armored barbarian
Bard: College of Comedy, College of Misery, College of Legends, College of Fiction, just so many possibilities
Cleric: Pick a thing, make a domain out of it, nearly endless potential
Druid: Plant druid, we still have not a dedicated druid that is only about plants
Fighter: real Gunslinger to incorporate the 2024 firearms, duelists, shieldmasters that really get everything out of a shield, weaponmasters that really want to use all types of weapons
Monk: a monk that can actually use heavy weapons or at least polearms, a zen-archer
Paladin: Oaths of Elementals, Balance or Chaos
Ranger: a urban ranger, a aquatic ranger
Rogue: the piloting scoundrel, the outlaw with a gun
Sorcerer: elemental or fiendish bloodline
Warlock: a dragon patron, a giant patron, a mortal patron?
Wizard: a healing subclass
and much much more!
You have a lot of great ideas
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every class should get cool new subclasses. And looking at the 2024 PHB, most of them are pretty cool. And there are so many concepts still untapped!
Artificer: Photonforger to forge light into solid objects, Enhancer to really crank up magic items to the next level, Mechromancer to control a whole swath of machines
Barbarian: Path of the Bloodrager to have a spell casting barbarian, Path of the Juggernaut to have a heavy armored barbarian
Bard: College of Comedy, College of Misery, College of Legends, College of Fiction, just so many possibilities
Cleric: Pick a thing, make a domain out of it, nearly endless potential
Druid: Plant druid, we still have not a dedicated druid that is only about plants
Fighter: real Gunslinger to incorporate the 2024 firearms, duelists, shieldmasters that really get everything out of a shield, weaponmasters that really want to use all types of weapons
Monk: a monk that can actually use heavy weapons or at least polearms, a zen-archer
Paladin: Oaths of Elementals, Balance or Chaos
Ranger: a urban ranger, a aquatic ranger
Rogue: the piloting scoundrel, the outlaw with a gun
Sorcerer: elemental or fiendish bloodline
Warlock: a dragon patron, a giant patron, a mortal patron?
Wizard: a healing subclass
and much much more!
Not to put a finer point on it, but this is a great list for a content creator. Make them, publish them on DM Guild!
You can't expect Wizards of the Coast to do all the work. You have a community several million strong. The digital tools are there so creating books today is super easy, all you have to do is put on your design hat and start publishing. That is what the DM Guild is for!
Fighter: I want more options. I want something with precision, some way to run these hands withought being a monk (like chucking stuff and people), I just want stuff.
Sorcerer: sorcerer is always fun with its origins.
To be honest, there's only one answer to this question. Sure, all the classes would benefit from more good options (and "good" is the key word there), but only one class needs new and good subclasses - the Artificer.
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Monk: a monk that can actually use heavy weapons or at least polearms
Ranger: a urban ranger
Not sure how good they are because I've not had a proper dig into them but a polearm monk and an urban ranger are both in the Guide to Drakkenheim book by the Dungeon Dudes. I'm really hoping once the 2024 releases settle down we'll get that to go along with Dungeons of Drakkenheim and the upcoming Monsters of Drakkenheim book because there's a lot in there I want to be able to use easily without having to homebrew
I would be extremely surprised to see this occur - and think it would be actively bad for the game. Wizards are intentionally designed to have the largest and most versatile spell list, giving them an answer to almost any problem. The one thing they are designed to be bad at is healing. This is necessary for game design. It provides a strong incentive to play less versatile spellcasting classes like Bard or Cleric and ensures the Wizard, the class most likely to step on others’ toes, has a set of toes it cannot step on.
To be honest, there's only one answer to this question. Sure, all the classes would benefit from more good options (and "good" is the key word there), but only one class needs new and good subclasses - the Artificer.
Could not agree with this more, and thus is why Artificer got my vote. Beyond merely being stuck behind a paywall, Artificer is the class most likely to be told “you don’t fit in my world.” It is easy to see why - it has the fewest subclasses, leading to limited applicability (not to mention the generally acknowledged “best” subclass has a robot companion that clashes with many settings).
There are lots of things Wizards could do with the class. A subclass who works in wood and bone. An artisan who makes animated stone statues, which would fit better with many fantasy settings than contraptions of gears and metal. Artificers who work in flesh, either like Doctor Frankenstein or the techno-necromancy found on Ravnica Fixing the disaster that is the alchemical subclass - the most universally applicable subclass - so folks actually want to play it.
Alas, by excluding it from the core books, and thus not making it a foundational component of the game, I expect 5.24 will continue to keep Artificer limited in terms of its subclass options.
To all you talking about the artificer, I agree fully.
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every class should get cool new subclasses. And looking at the 2024 PHB, most of them are pretty cool. And there are so many concepts still untapped!
Artificer: Photonforger to forge light into solid objects, Enhancer to really crank up magic items to the next level, Mechromancer to control a whole swath of machines
Barbarian: Path of the Bloodrager to have a spell casting barbarian, Path of the Juggernaut to have a heavy armored barbarian
Bard: College of Comedy, College of Misery, College of Legends, College of Fiction, just so many possibilities
Cleric: Pick a thing, make a domain out of it, nearly endless potential
Druid: Plant druid, we still have not a dedicated druid that is only about plants
Fighter: real Gunslinger to incorporate the 2024 firearms, duelists, shieldmasters that really get everything out of a shield, weaponmasters that really want to use all types of weapons
Monk: a monk that can actually use heavy weapons or at least polearms, a zen-archer
Paladin: Oaths of Elementals, Balance or Chaos
Ranger: a urban ranger, a aquatic ranger
Rogue: the piloting scoundrel, the outlaw with a gun
Sorcerer: elemental or fiendish bloodline
Warlock: a dragon patron, a giant patron, a mortal patron?
Wizard: a healing subclass
and much much more!
Not to put a finer point on it, but this is a great list for a content creator. Make them, publish them on DM Guild!
You can't expect Wizards of the Coast to do all the work. You have a community several million strong. The digital tools are there so creating books today is super easy, all you have to do is put on your design hat and start publishing. That is what the DM Guild is for!
The issue with that, and all the homebrew, it is not supported on the plattform used by most (dndbeyond) and it is more difficult to have the DM approve these options compared to official options.
The issue with that, and all the homebrew, it is not supported on the plattform used by most (dndbeyond) and it is more difficult to have the DM approve these options compared to official options.
Yeah this is kind of a bummer. I would happily do the work to add content I have created to DnD Beyond if I could include it with the publishing on DM Guild but right now that's not possible. Perhaps in the future they will add an option to do that. Clearly its technically possible as you can for example purchase Flee Mortals for DnD Beyond.
Wizard class has always been lacking in subclass features. They make excuses about it by saying they have the best spell selection. However, that's not a good reason for having dull boring subclasses with mostly ribbon features.
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I want either a Druid or Ranger subclass that explores what a 5th ed version of the 4th ed Shaman class would look like, centered around summoning and buffing a singe spirit monster.
I'd also like to see some sort of....probably Bard, that centers around using their actions to let other party members do things on the Bard's turn, almost like the 4th ed Warlord used to do. I want the power to make other characters my pokemon on my turn.
Cool ideas. There is the Beast Master ranger and Drakewarden ranger, if you're looking for that.
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Not quite the vibe I wanted from those two subclasses.
Understandable. You're thinking of a more magical way than just having a cool pet? If so, I love your thought process.
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Yeah, sadly the Shaman class sits in a weird spot that is just not quite a Ranger or a Druid. Most of the other 4th ed oddities managed to get incorporated into subclasses well enough. Just a few didn't quite fit.
Maybe you could suggest that to WOTC.
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every class should get cool new subclasses. And looking at the 2024 PHB, most of them are pretty cool. And there are so many concepts still untapped!
and much much more!
With the Warlock, I guess they missed a trick with Fizban's and Bigby's. Might have been cool to play Merlin from the BBC TV series!
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
You have a lot of great ideas
Check out Monach of the Realms forum game! As Djinni you'll know me, for I am your king. From void I have shaped thee, I've shaped everything. But please do not kneel, just look and behold, I rule you to heal and share stories untold. The mask that I wear is a crude one of glass, so your soul will repair if you glance at me fast. You'll pray that you know me, and I'll let your heart ring. I'm as strong as the world tree and I'll make your heart sing.
Not to put a finer point on it, but this is a great list for a content creator. Make them, publish them on DM Guild!
You can't expect Wizards of the Coast to do all the work. You have a community several million strong. The digital tools are there so creating books today is super easy, all you have to do is put on your design hat and start publishing. That is what the DM Guild is for!
Fighter: I want more options. I want something with precision, some way to run these hands withought being a monk (like chucking stuff and people), I just want stuff.
Sorcerer: sorcerer is always fun with its origins.
Warlock: more patrons!
To be honest, there's only one answer to this question. Sure, all the classes would benefit from more good options (and "good" is the key word there), but only one class needs new and good subclasses - the Artificer.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
Not sure how good they are because I've not had a proper dig into them but a polearm monk and an urban ranger are both in the Guide to Drakkenheim book by the Dungeon Dudes. I'm really hoping once the 2024 releases settle down we'll get that to go along with Dungeons of Drakkenheim and the upcoming Monsters of Drakkenheim book because there's a lot in there I want to be able to use easily without having to homebrew
Where is the button for "All of Them!"? Sure some need it more than others, but all of them could use some 2024 Subclasses!
I would be extremely surprised to see this occur - and think it would be actively bad for the game. Wizards are intentionally designed to have the largest and most versatile spell list, giving them an answer to almost any problem. The one thing they are designed to be bad at is healing. This is necessary for game design. It provides a strong incentive to play less versatile spellcasting classes like Bard or Cleric and ensures the Wizard, the class most likely to step on others’ toes, has a set of toes it cannot step on.
Could not agree with this more, and thus is why Artificer got my vote. Beyond merely being stuck behind a paywall, Artificer is the class most likely to be told “you don’t fit in my world.” It is easy to see why - it has the fewest subclasses, leading to limited applicability (not to mention the generally acknowledged “best” subclass has a robot companion that clashes with many settings).
There are lots of things Wizards could do with the class. A subclass who works in wood and bone. An artisan who makes animated stone statues, which would fit better with many fantasy settings than contraptions of gears and metal. Artificers who work in flesh, either like Doctor Frankenstein or the techno-necromancy found on Ravnica Fixing the disaster that is the alchemical subclass - the most universally applicable subclass - so folks actually want to play it.
Alas, by excluding it from the core books, and thus not making it a foundational component of the game, I expect 5.24 will continue to keep Artificer limited in terms of its subclass options.
To all you talking about the artificer, I agree fully.
Check out Monach of the Realms forum game! As Djinni you'll know me, for I am your king. From void I have shaped thee, I've shaped everything. But please do not kneel, just look and behold, I rule you to heal and share stories untold. The mask that I wear is a crude one of glass, so your soul will repair if you glance at me fast. You'll pray that you know me, and I'll let your heart ring. I'm as strong as the world tree and I'll make your heart sing.
The issue with that, and all the homebrew, it is not supported on the plattform used by most (dndbeyond) and it is more difficult to have the DM approve these options compared to official options.
Yeah this is kind of a bummer. I would happily do the work to add content I have created to DnD Beyond if I could include it with the publishing on DM Guild but right now that's not possible. Perhaps in the future they will add an option to do that. Clearly its technically possible as you can for example purchase Flee Mortals for DnD Beyond.
Wizard class has always been lacking in subclass features. They make excuses about it by saying they have the best spell selection. However, that's not a good reason for having dull boring subclasses with mostly ribbon features.