Yeah I'm just going to chime in and say I'm equally disappointed. I bought WGtE because of the living document thing, but then Wizards decides to 180 and say we gotta buy this shinier bigger book to get stuff we were promised in WGtE..... Yeah.... a discount would be real nice.
WOTC did not do a 180. At the time that WGTE was released, they said they might do an Eberron hardcover at a later date, and if they did, the crunch from WGTE would likely be reprinted in it, but that there would be additional content that was not in WGTE. They knew folks might buy both and wanted them to complement each other; they did not want the hardcover to replace WGTE.
Everything I’ve seen from WOTC indicates that the “stuff we were promised in WGTE” will still be there in the final version of it. And when that time comes, print on demand will be turn on in DMsG for those who want it in print. Adam himself said that if anything in WGTE that appears in the listings (monsters, character options, spells) is updated in Rising, the listings from WGTE will be updated as well. So you don’t need to buy Rising to get that. In fact you could just buy piecemeal items from Rising instead of the whole thing.
Getting mad at D&D Beyond is like getting mad at your local game store about this. They didn't really have anything to do with this other than being the retailer.
Wizards is the one who sets the releases and what goes into each book (D&D Beyond is not owned or operated by Wizards, they just license the rights to publish the content)
An over-eager Eberron fandom (myself included) assumed that WGTE was more than it said in the description. Could Wizards have put a better description on it? Yes.
Hopefully this becomes a learning experience, and in future playtest products they clearly state what it is an isn't, and then I learned to make sure to read the fine print (or lack thereof).
Based on what I'm seeing, I purchased the WGTE, but once the Artificer becomes official and not play test, I will no longer have access to it unless I also purchase this new book. (There is no entry for Artificer in the WTGE compendium so I have to assume it's not included.)
I suppose it's my bad for assuming that the Artificer would get added to WGTE but the verbiage used when WTGE was released suggested that it would be. At least that's how I interpreted it.
I knew going in that they would eventually print an Eberron book and that I wouldn't have access to everything in that book. However, I didn't realize that a core part of the setting, the Artificer, wouldn't be included in what I had already purchased.
Am I incorrect in assuming this? Or will I still have access to the up to date version of the Artificer once this new book is released?
Based on what I'm seeing, I purchased the WGTE, but once the Artificer becomes official and not play test, I will no longer have access to it unless I also purchase this new book. (There is no entry for Artificer in the WTGE compendium so I have to assume it's not included.)
The Artificer will be added to WGTE. If you own either WGET or ERftLW, you will get the latest Artificer. Jeremy Crawford has confirmed this several times.
Based on what I'm seeing, I purchased the WGTE, but once the Artificer becomes official and not play test, I will no longer have access to it unless I also purchase this new book. (There is no entry for Artificer in the WTGE compendium so I have to assume it's not included.)
The Artificer will be added to WGTE. If you own either WGET or ERftLW, you will get the latest Artificer. Jeremy Crawford has confirmed this several times.
Regardless of what happened at Wizards, it looks like D&D beyond is taking 20 off the cost for those of us who own WTGE. I'd like to thank you guys so much for that D&D Beyond, keep up the good work! Makes all the salt just wash away....
I'm guessing you're looking at the digital book cost vs the physical book cost. The $20 difference is normally how the pricing works out regardless of prior purchases.
Not a fan of this kind of release scheme. Very unsatisfied. Time to change how i invest my money in regards to your company. Good job WotC.
Do keep in mind DnD Beyond is not Wizards. My main folly in all this is how Wayfinder was marketed. Other than that I am happy with my purchase. A discount of some kind for the new book would be nice but sadly this is probably just wishful thinking at this point.
With a 320 page book. I think the two together will form the full Eberron experience/knowledge set. It's not all that different from the days of 2nd Edition when a given setting would get more cool content. Spelljammer alone had a bunch of different boxes I bought back in the day.
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Getting mad at D&D Beyond is like getting mad at your local game store about this. They didn't really have anything to do with this other than being the retailer.
Who is mad at D&D Beyond? This is all WoTC D&D publishing greed. Do less work, provide less, charge more.
Except they're not doing less work and providing less. If you own anything in WGTE that gets reprinted in ERftLW, you'll still own that and it'll get updated to match whatever changes get made. The only stuff you won't get is the new stuff made for the new book; the adventure, the additional setting information, the monsters etc. The book is over 300 pages long, compared to WGTE which is much shorter, they've clearly made a lot of new content.
Not a fan of this kind of release scheme. Very unsatisfied. Time to change how i invest my money in regards to your company. Good job WotC.
Do keep in mind DnD Beyond is not Wizards. My main folly in all this is how Wayfinder was marketed. Other than that I am happy with my purchase. A discount of some kind for the new book would be nice but sadly this is probably just wishful thinking at this point.
WGtE wasn't marketed as the next official Eberron campaign book. It was marketed as a third-party product made in conjunction with Wizards as playtest content which would be updated if its contents were made official.
That's exactly what's happening.
WGtE was basically like a bonus fun thing that they released while everyone at Wizards was working on the Ravnica release while Keith Baker worked with some of them on it on the side.
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WOTC did not do a 180. At the time that WGTE was released, they said they might do an Eberron hardcover at a later date, and if they did, the crunch from WGTE would likely be reprinted in it, but that there would be additional content that was not in WGTE. They knew folks might buy both and wanted them to complement each other; they did not want the hardcover to replace WGTE.
Everything I’ve seen from WOTC indicates that the “stuff we were promised in WGTE” will still be there in the final version of it. And when that time comes, print on demand will be turn on in DMsG for those who want it in print. Adam himself said that if anything in WGTE that appears in the listings (monsters, character options, spells) is updated in Rising, the listings from WGTE will be updated as well. So you don’t need to buy Rising to get that. In fact you could just buy piecemeal items from Rising instead of the whole thing.
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Getting mad at D&D Beyond is like getting mad at your local game store about this. They didn't really have anything to do with this other than being the retailer.
Wizards is the one who sets the releases and what goes into each book (D&D Beyond is not owned or operated by Wizards, they just license the rights to publish the content)
An over-eager Eberron fandom (myself included) assumed that WGTE was more than it said in the description. Could Wizards have put a better description on it? Yes.
Hopefully this becomes a learning experience, and in future playtest products they clearly state what it is an isn't, and then I learned to make sure to read the fine print (or lack thereof).
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Based on what I'm seeing, I purchased the WGTE, but once the Artificer becomes official and not play test, I will no longer have access to it unless I also purchase this new book. (There is no entry for Artificer in the WTGE compendium so I have to assume it's not included.)
I suppose it's my bad for assuming that the Artificer would get added to WGTE but the verbiage used when WTGE was released suggested that it would be. At least that's how I interpreted it.
I knew going in that they would eventually print an Eberron book and that I wouldn't have access to everything in that book. However, I didn't realize that a core part of the setting, the Artificer, wouldn't be included in what I had already purchased.
Am I incorrect in assuming this? Or will I still have access to the up to date version of the Artificer once this new book is released?
The Artificer will be added to WGTE. If you own either WGET or ERftLW, you will get the latest Artificer. Jeremy Crawford has confirmed this several times.
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Awesome. That was my main concern. Thanks!
Both Jeremy Crawford and Adam Bradford have confirm it'll be added.
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Not a fan of this kind of release scheme. Very unsatisfied. Time to change how i invest my money in regards to your company. Good job WotC.
Regardless of what happened at Wizards, it looks like D&D beyond is taking 20 off the cost for those of us who own WTGE. I'd like to thank you guys so much for that D&D Beyond, keep up the good work! Makes all the salt just wash away....
I don't think they're taking $20 of the Eberron book for WGTE owners. I've got WGtE and Eberron was normal price (after discount codes)
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I'm guessing you're looking at the digital book cost vs the physical book cost. The $20 difference is normally how the pricing works out regardless of prior purchases.
Do keep in mind DnD Beyond is not Wizards. My main folly in all this is how Wayfinder was marketed. Other than that I am happy with my purchase. A discount of some kind for the new book would be nice but sadly this is probably just wishful thinking at this point.
With a 320 page book. I think the two together will form the full Eberron experience/knowledge set. It's not all that different from the days of 2nd Edition when a given setting would get more cool content. Spelljammer alone had a bunch of different boxes I bought back in the day.
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Who is mad at D&D Beyond? This is all WoTC D&D publishing greed. Do less work, provide less, charge more.
Except they're not doing less work and providing less. If you own anything in WGTE that gets reprinted in ERftLW, you'll still own that and it'll get updated to match whatever changes get made. The only stuff you won't get is the new stuff made for the new book; the adventure, the additional setting information, the monsters etc. The book is over 300 pages long, compared to WGTE which is much shorter, they've clearly made a lot of new content.
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WGtE wasn't marketed as the next official Eberron campaign book. It was marketed as a third-party product made in conjunction with Wizards as playtest content which would be updated if its contents were made official.
That's exactly what's happening.
WGtE was basically like a bonus fun thing that they released while everyone at Wizards was working on the Ravnica release while Keith Baker worked with some of them on it on the side.