So my players are fighting a Kraken and currently two of them are inside its belly and its swimming away. My players have a couple of ideas they want to try and I'd like to get some second opinions on three in particular:
One of my players has 8 doses of a spider poison from a modified giant spider they fought previously (it's a DC 15 con save, does 3d8 poison damage and has a chance of knocking someone unconscious if ingested) and he wants to try and pour it down the Kraken's mouth (he plans to try and force it's mouth open and climb inside). He wants to pour in all eight doses in the hopes that will increase the DC/effect. My inclination is to no because although he's using more poison, he's also trying to poison a gargantuan creature, so the greater mass would make it harder to poison, but I'd like some second opinions.
Another player inside the Kraken's belly has a bottle of about 750ml of 100% alcohol which he wants to try and use to at the very least make the Kraken regurgitate them. Despite the similar mass problem in the previous idea, I'm more inclined towards this one as he has a much greater quantity of the 'poison' and he can pour it directly into the creature's stomach so I'm thinking of giving a decent DC with fair damage and some potentially nasty side effects, like temporary loss of conscious if it rolls really low (though I haven't decided on any specifics yet so if anyone has two cents to throw in on that as well, I won't say no), but again I'd like some second thoughts.
The last idea isn't actually poisoning, but I don't want to make an entire other thread for what's basically the same topic. Our warlock wants to banish the Kraken. His logic is since banishment only targets one creature, when the Kraken is banished the players inside its stomach will be left behind. I'm inclined to disagree since they're actually inside the Kraken. If it were clutching them in its tentacles I'd be more inclined to rule differently, but since they're inside it, it seems to me that when the Kraken gets moved, they'd go with it, there's no way for it to release them. However, I'd like to hear some other ideas on this, how would you rule it and most importantly why would you rule it that way.
Applying the rules from the swallowing of the Kraken. Throwing in all 8 doses might get the damage above 50 for the regurgitation part of the bite description. The same DC can be used for the 100% alcohol (DC 25 with a +14 saving throw means it is a 50% chance of working).
The Kraken listing doesn't say it is immune to poison, but with CON saving throw bonus of +14 the poison isn't going to have too much effect. The creature is so large that combining multiple doses is unlikely to make the poison more effective.
I suspect the warlock has never tried banishing a creature that has swallowed another creature, so the PC certainly can't be sure of the results (the player is obviously metagaming to try and argue over the spell only affecting one creature and so won't affect anything swallowed). One option would be to allow the swallowed food to have its own CHA saving throw to avoid also being dragged along by the Banishment.
An alternative question would be, if you are swallowed by a kraken and the kraken is banished and you go with it, if you escape from the kraken while it is banished, do you remain on the demiplane or immediately return to where the kraken was before it was banished.
1) I might allow the increase of the effect of the poison dose should the Kraken absolutely botch the saving throw, but given the Con save listed, I might also throw the player a hint that this plan might not have the desired effect that they are hoping for.
2) Only question around why this won't work is hinged on the same Con Save as previous. Again, if der Kraken were to "phone in" the saving throw, I'd be more inclined toward regurgitation or unconsciousness.
3) This one is pretty meta from my perspective. [retorical question] When does food become part of the whole in your world? Does food have to be not-living before it becomes part of the creature targeted? What about bacterial ecology in the gut? [/retorical question] Without getting altogether too granular, either the spell doesn't work, as it will be effecting more than one creature, or it does work, and the PCs are going for a ride.
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So my players are fighting a Kraken and currently two of them are inside its belly and its swimming away. My players have a couple of ideas they want to try and I'd like to get some second opinions on three in particular:
One of my players has 8 doses of a spider poison from a modified giant spider they fought previously (it's a DC 15 con save, does 3d8 poison damage and has a chance of knocking someone unconscious if ingested) and he wants to try and pour it down the Kraken's mouth (he plans to try and force it's mouth open and climb inside). He wants to pour in all eight doses in the hopes that will increase the DC/effect. My inclination is to no because although he's using more poison, he's also trying to poison a gargantuan creature, so the greater mass would make it harder to poison, but I'd like some second opinions.
Another player inside the Kraken's belly has a bottle of about 750ml of 100% alcohol which he wants to try and use to at the very least make the Kraken regurgitate them. Despite the similar mass problem in the previous idea, I'm more inclined towards this one as he has a much greater quantity of the 'poison' and he can pour it directly into the creature's stomach so I'm thinking of giving a decent DC with fair damage and some potentially nasty side effects, like temporary loss of conscious if it rolls really low (though I haven't decided on any specifics yet so if anyone has two cents to throw in on that as well, I won't say no), but again I'd like some second thoughts.
The last idea isn't actually poisoning, but I don't want to make an entire other thread for what's basically the same topic. Our warlock wants to banish the Kraken. His logic is since banishment only targets one creature, when the Kraken is banished the players inside its stomach will be left behind. I'm inclined to disagree since they're actually inside the Kraken. If it were clutching them in its tentacles I'd be more inclined to rule differently, but since they're inside it, it seems to me that when the Kraken gets moved, they'd go with it, there's no way for it to release them. However, I'd like to hear some other ideas on this, how would you rule it and most importantly why would you rule it that way.
Thanks in advance.
Applying the rules from the swallowing of the Kraken. Throwing in all 8 doses might get the damage above 50 for the regurgitation part of the bite description. The same DC can be used for the 100% alcohol (DC 25 with a +14 saving throw means it is a 50% chance of working).
The Kraken listing doesn't say it is immune to poison, but with CON saving throw bonus of +14 the poison isn't going to have too much effect. The creature is so large that combining multiple doses is unlikely to make the poison more effective.
I suspect the warlock has never tried banishing a creature that has swallowed another creature, so the PC certainly can't be sure of the results (the player is obviously metagaming to try and argue over the spell only affecting one creature and so won't affect anything swallowed). One option would be to allow the swallowed food to have its own CHA saving throw to avoid also being dragged along by the Banishment.
An alternative question would be, if you are swallowed by a kraken and the kraken is banished and you go with it, if you escape from the kraken while it is banished, do you remain on the demiplane or immediately return to where the kraken was before it was banished.
1) I might allow the increase of the effect of the poison dose should the Kraken absolutely botch the saving throw, but given the Con save listed, I might also throw the player a hint that this plan might not have the desired effect that they are hoping for.
2) Only question around why this won't work is hinged on the same Con Save as previous. Again, if der Kraken were to "phone in" the saving throw, I'd be more inclined toward regurgitation or unconsciousness.
3) This one is pretty meta from my perspective. [retorical question] When does food become part of the whole in your world? Does food have to be not-living before it becomes part of the creature targeted? What about bacterial ecology in the gut? [/retorical question] Without getting altogether too granular, either the spell doesn't work, as it will be effecting more than one creature, or it does work, and the PCs are going for a ride.
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.” - Mark Twain - Innocents Abroad