You would let a creature hide while you are grappling it?
There are no rules against it.
You're absolutely right. I just can't go for that.
The first rule of Hide club is that the DM decides when you are able to hide. "While currently being grappled by an enemy" seems a pretty reasonable situation where a DM might decide hiding is not an option.
You would let a creature hide while you are grappling it?
There are no rules against it.
You're absolutely right. I just can't go for that.
The first rule of Hide club is that the DM decides when you are able to hide. "While currently being grappled by an enemy" seems a pretty reasonable situation where a DM might decide hiding is not an option.
True. But the fourth rule of hide club is:
An invisible creature can always try to hide.
Which specifically trumps rule 1 as far as RAW goes. Of course at the table the DM is law, but in the forums we only have RAW.
What kind of DEX (stealth) check would require hiding while grappled. Isn’t hiding usually against perception? Would definitely give disadvantage on the roll but seems ridiculous to say you can hide while I have you in a headlock.
What kind of DEX (stealth) check would require hiding while grappled. Isn’t hiding usually against perception? Would definitely give disadvantage on the roll but seems ridiculous to say you can hide while I have you in a headlock.
Honestly, this is one of the situations where, if I did feel constrained by RAW for some reason, I would happily put on my pedant cap and say “The rules say an invisible creature can always try to hide. They don’t say it has to be possible to succeed.”
Which is to say, if the rules say I can’t disallow the attempt, I’d allow the attempt but just call it an automatic failure.
Anyway, I think I proved my point about how the rules say you can do an impossible thing that makes no sense.
Also, while reading the rules for hiding several times, I also noticed that the rules don't really state the mechanical benefits of hiding. It all assumes you know what the definition of "hide" is and that the benefits are obvious. (Which is fair, you rarely question what hiding does.)
Having something be an automatic failure is not giving them a chance since no matter what they roll they fail.
I'd agree with that if you are going fully by RAW to allow the attempt, but saying in this particular situation that "you have disadvantage on your stealth check and your grappler has advantage on their perception check because they are actively holding on to you" is a valid judgement call given the situation.
But personally, RAW be darned, I'm not letting a player hide when someone is actively grabbing them unless they escape their grasp first. I would rule that as the grappled creature is invisible the attacks made by the grappler would still be at disadvantage.
Having something be an automatic failure is not giving them a chance since no matter what they roll they fail.
The rules don't require that anyone be given "a chance." They say a character can "try." People try things that they haven't a chance at accomplishing all the time.
Having something be an automatic failure is not giving them a chance since no matter what they roll they fail.
The rules don't require that anyone be given "a chance." They say a character can "try." People try things that they haven't a chance at accomplishing all the time.
Like the fighter wearing plate armor trying to flap their arms to fly because they have a high athletics skill. You can try but it’s not going to stop you falling and taking damage even with a natural 20.
You're absolutely right. I just can't go for that.
"Not all those who wander are lost"
The first rule of Hide club is that the DM decides when you are able to hide. "While currently being grappled by an enemy" seems a pretty reasonable situation where a DM might decide hiding is not an option.
True. But the fourth rule of hide club is:
Which specifically trumps rule 1 as far as RAW goes. Of course at the table the DM is law, but in the forums we only have RAW.
What kind of DEX (stealth) check would require hiding while grappled. Isn’t hiding usually against perception? Would definitely give disadvantage on the roll but seems ridiculous to say you can hide while I have you in a headlock.
EZD6 by DM Scotty
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/397599/EZD6-Core-Rulebook?
Honestly, this is one of the situations where, if I did feel constrained by RAW for some reason, I would happily put on my pedant cap and say “The rules say an invisible creature can always try to hide. They don’t say it has to be possible to succeed.”
Which is to say, if the rules say I can’t disallow the attempt, I’d allow the attempt but just call it an automatic failure.
Anyway, I think I proved my point about how the rules say you can do an impossible thing that makes no sense.
Also, while reading the rules for hiding several times, I also noticed that the rules don't really state the mechanical benefits of hiding. It all assumes you know what the definition of "hide" is and that the benefits are obvious. (Which is fair, you rarely question what hiding does.)
And that would be my exact response. "You can always try" :)
"Not all those who wander are lost"
I'd agree with that if you are going fully by RAW to allow the attempt, but saying in this particular situation that "you have disadvantage on your stealth check and your grappler has advantage on their perception check because they are actively holding on to you" is a valid judgement call given the situation.
But personally, RAW be darned, I'm not letting a player hide when someone is actively grabbing them unless they escape their grasp first. I would rule that as the grappled creature is invisible the attacks made by the grappler would still be at disadvantage.
The rules don't require that anyone be given "a chance." They say a character can "try." People try things that they haven't a chance at accomplishing all the time.
Like the fighter wearing plate armor trying to flap their arms to fly because they have a high athletics skill. You can try but it’s not going to stop you falling and taking damage even with a natural 20.
EZD6 by DM Scotty
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/397599/EZD6-Core-Rulebook?