Can I take a Reaction on my turn? Does it affect what I can do during my turn?
Let's say I'm a Wizard and I'm being engaged in melee combat with an Orc. I want to cast Fireball but also escape the melee, so I decide to provoke an Attack of Opportunity. Can I cast Shield as a Reaction? If so, does it stop me from casting Fireball or otherwise affect what I can do on my turn?
I read on Reddit that it stops you from casting spells as your action, due to the rule that you can't cast non cantrip spells as an action if you cast a Bonus Action spell. That wasn't my understanding since a Bonus Action isn't interchangeable with a Reaction, but I thought that I'd better check.
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You can use a Reaction on your turn if you meet the appropriate trigger for the reaction, so yes, you can cast Shield in response to an Opportunity Attack.
The restriction in casting leveled spells only applies to spells cast using your bonus action. Shield does not use your bonus action. Therefore, Shield does not affect what spells you can cast using your action.
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You can use a Reaction on your turn if you meet the appropriate trigger for the reaction, so yes, you can cast Shield in response to an Opportunity Attack.
The restriction in casting leveled spells only applies to spells cast using your bonus action. Shield does not use your bonus action. Therefore, Shield does not affect what spells you can cast using your action.
This is 100% correct advice. Basically, you would go to move out of the threatened range, let the orc take the hit, react with shield if needed, and then move away and start blasting with your fireball. In theory, provided you had the right metamagic access do exactly what you described and throw in a quickened fire bolt for good measure. It's a lot of resources on one turn, with the sorcery points, a 1st and 3rd level spell, but if that thing really needs to die? So be it.
Great, thanks. That was my understanding as well, but when I read that Reddit, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. Thanks!
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You can even use your reaction to cast counterspell to block someone else using counterspell to block the spell you're casting with your bonus action, and still go on to use your action to cast a cantrip.
You can use a Reaction on your turn if you meet the appropriate trigger for the reaction, so yes, you can cast Shield in response to an Opportunity Attack.
The restriction in casting leveled spells only applies to spells cast using your bonus action. Shield does not use your bonus action. Therefore, Shield does not affect what spells you can cast using your action.
This is 100% correct advice. Basically, you would go to move out of the threatened range, let the orc take the hit, react with shield if needed, and then move away and start blasting with your fireball. In theory, provided you had the right metamagic access do exactly what you described and throw in a quickened fire bolt for good measure. It's a lot of resources on one turn, with the sorcery points, a 1st and 3rd level spell, but if that thing really needs to die? So be it.
Slightly less than 100% correct. You could quicken the Fireball and throw in the firebolt as your action, for good measure. but not the order you mentioned
Can I take a Reaction on my turn? Does it affect what I can do during my turn?
Let's say I'm a Wizard and I'm being engaged in melee combat with an Orc. I want to cast Fireball but also escape the melee, so I decide to provoke an Attack of Opportunity. Can I cast Shield as a Reaction? If so, does it stop me from casting Fireball or otherwise affect what I can do on my turn?
I read on Reddit that it stops you from casting spells as your action, due to the rule that you can't cast non cantrip spells as an action if you cast a Bonus Action spell. That wasn't my understanding since a Bonus Action isn't interchangeable with a Reaction, but I thought that I'd better check.
Nothing prevent a reaction to be taken on your turn and the restriction for casting a spell as a bonus action do not apply to spells cast as a reaction. The Reddit is just wrong.
Can I take a Reaction on my turn? Does it affect what I can do during my turn?
Let's say I'm a Wizard and I'm being engaged in melee combat with an Orc. I want to cast Fireball but also escape the melee, so I decide to provoke an Attack of Opportunity. Can I cast Shield as a Reaction? If so, does it stop me from casting Fireball or otherwise affect what I can do on my turn?
I read on Reddit that it stops you from casting spells as your action, due to the rule that you can't cast non cantrip spells as an action if you cast a Bonus Action spell. That wasn't my understanding since a Bonus Action isn't interchangeable with a Reaction, but I thought that I'd better check.
Nothing prevent a reaction to be taken on your turn and the restriction for casting a spell as a bonus action do not apply to spells cast as a reaction. The Reddit is just wrong.
Oh no… you’ve started it… haha
Reaction Spells cannot be cast on your turn if you have (or will cast) cast a Bonus Action spell. But I’m sure some DMs may rule differently obviously.
The only exception I’ve seen is a semantic discussion around one edge case with Reaction BB/GFB, but that’s a verrrry rare case anyways. Ask the DM.
I always go back to this post by Greenstone_Walker:
According to this, you can cast a spell using your action and cast a spell using your reaction on the same turn.
Can you cast a reaction spell on your turn? You sure can! Here’s a common way for it to happen: Cornelius the wizard is casting fireball on his turn, and his foe casts counterspell on him. Cornelius also has counterspell prepared, so he uses his reaction to cast it and break his foe’s counterspell before it can stop fireball.
Weirdly, you can't do this if you're casting a spell using your bonus action even if you're not trying to also cast a cantrip with your action. At least if you're sticking to pure RAW, since the only ruling about this kind of stuff specifies that if you cast a spell using your bonus action, your only other spellcasting option is to cast a cantrip using your action. My feeling is this is just an oversight. It makes very little sense that you couldn't do the same thing with a BA spell. I'd even be tempted to let a player do all three: cast a BA spell, a cantrip, and still use his reaction for something like shield or counterspell. But then I don't really understand why casters can't just cast whatever if they have the actions available.
Yea casting as spell as an Action and as a Reaction isn't limited other than by how many actions or reactions you have. Casting a spell as a Bonus Action does limit all other spells on your turn to being "cantrips with a casting time of one action" meaning that reactions get blocked too (but only on your turn, you can still cast on someone else's turn).
Can I take a Reaction on my turn? Does it affect what I can do during my turn?
Let's say I'm a Wizard and I'm being engaged in melee combat with an Orc. I want to cast Fireball but also escape the melee, so I decide to provoke an Attack of Opportunity. Can I cast Shield as a Reaction? If so, does it stop me from casting Fireball or otherwise affect what I can do on my turn?
I read on Reddit that it stops you from casting spells as your action, due to the rule that you can't cast non cantrip spells as an action if you cast a Bonus Action spell. That wasn't my understanding since a Bonus Action isn't interchangeable with a Reaction, but I thought that I'd better check.
Nothing prevent a reaction to be taken on your turn and the restriction for casting a spell as a bonus action do not apply to spells cast as a reaction. The Reddit is just wrong.
Oh no… you’ve started it… haha
Reaction Spells cannot be cast on your turn if you have (or will cast) cast a Bonus Action spell.
Of course, if you cast a spell as a bonus action, then you can't cast a spell using a level or reaction before or after it, but bonus action spellcastinng is not in question by the OP and therefore without any indication of it, my original answer remains true since spell cast as a reaction don't have limitations on fireball casting in and of itself..
Nothing prevent a reaction to be taken on your turn and the restriction for casting a spell as a bonus action do not apply to spells cast as a reaction. The Reddit is just wrong.
Here is a quick reference chart for what spells you can cast in combination on your turn.
In terms of this thread and the question that was asked, you can indeed cast a reaction spell on your turn, provided the trigger is met, and you have not used your bonus action to cast a spell.
EDIT: That may have come off sounding a bit condescending. I did not mean it that way. I am going to leave the post, though, as a reference for anyone who might not know.
Yea casting as spell as an Action and as a Reaction isn't limited other than by how many actions or reactions you have. Casting a spell as a Bonus Action does limit all other spells on your turn to being "cantrips with a casting time of one action" meaning that reactions get blocked too (but only on your turn, you can still cast on someone else's turn).
But if you quicken a Fireball into a Bonus Action then that would mean no possibility for a Counterspell.
Incorrect. Whether the Fireball was cast using a standard action or a bonus action has no bearing on your ability to cast Counterspell, because the rules for casting spells as bonus actions only care about casting spells using a standard action in the same turn. Counterspell is cast using a Reaction regardless of who's turn it's cast on and therefore is not affected by you casting a spell as a bonus action.
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"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Nothing prevent a reaction to be taken on your turn and the restriction for casting a spell as a bonus action do not apply to spells cast as a reaction. The Reddit is just wrong.
Here is a quick reference chart for what spells you can cast in combination on your turn.
In terms of this thread and the question that was asked, you can indeed cast a reaction spell on your turn, provided the trigger is met, and you have not used your bonus action to cast a spell.
EDIT: That may have come off sounding a bit condescending. I did not mean it that way. I am going to leave the post, though, as a reference for anyone who might not know.
Its fine by me. I actually like your reference chart as it make things even easier to understand.
Yea casting as spell as an Action and as a Reaction isn't limited other than by how many actions or reactions you have. Casting a spell as a Bonus Action does limit all other spells on your turn to being "cantrips with a casting time of one action" meaning that reactions get blocked too (but only on your turn, you can still cast on someone else's turn).
But if you quicken a Fireball into a Bonus Action then that would mean no possibility for a Counterspell.
Incorrect. Whether the Fireball was cast using a standard action or a bonus action has no bearing on your ability to cast Counterspell, because the rules for casting spells as bonus actions only care about casting spells using a standard action in the same turn. Counterspell is cast using a Reaction regardless of who's turn it's cast on and therefore is not affected by you casting a spell as a bonus action.
Nowhere in the section on BA casting does it say anything about it being specific to only the standard action.
Bonus Action
A spell cast with a bonus action is especially swift. You must use a bonus action on your turn to cast the spell, provided that you haven't already taken a bonus action this turn. You can't cast another spell during the same turn, except for a cantrip with a casting time of 1 action.
I can see how the bolded might be taken to mean they are referring to a standard action but it also says that is the ONLY spell you can cast so reaction spell would be out during your turn.
okay so lets say i use meta magic to heigthen a spell like hold monster giving it dis on the wisdom save....it passes then i use my reaction to cast slivery barbs...it then rolls again and fails can i then use my bonus action to quicken cast booming blade???
okay so lets say i use meta magic to heigthen a spell like hold monster giving it dis on the wisdom save....it passes then i use my reaction to cast slivery barbs...it then rolls again and fails can i then use my bonus action to quicken cast booming blade???
No, and likely for multiple reasons. In 2014 rules (under which the thread's context exists, thanks for bumping such an old thread by the way):
1. Quicken Spell doesn't work if you've already cast a leveled spell that turn. The Hold Monster casting would have to be the Quickened spell (which would mean you can't use Heightened Spell, as you're already using a Metamagic option).
In 2024 rules:
1. If you're trying to cast both Hold Monster and Silvery Barbs using spell slots, you can't use more than one spell slot per turn. If you're casting one without a slot (such as through a feat or magic item) you're fine on this point. However... 2. The 2024 version of Quicken Spell maintained the limits listed above (2014) about being unable to use it on the same turn as a leveled spell has already been cast, no matter what the spell's source is. So either of the other spells invalidates this option.
Basically: Quicken the leveled spell, not the cantrip, as a general rule. (Or you can cast a cantrip twice using Quicken, I won't judge on that, I've done it.)
Can I take a Reaction on my turn? Does it affect what I can do during my turn?
Let's say I'm a Wizard and I'm being engaged in melee combat with an Orc. I want to cast Fireball but also escape the melee, so I decide to provoke an Attack of Opportunity. Can I cast Shield as a Reaction? If so, does it stop me from casting Fireball or otherwise affect what I can do on my turn?
I read on Reddit that it stops you from casting spells as your action, due to the rule that you can't cast non cantrip spells as an action if you cast a Bonus Action spell. That wasn't my understanding since a Bonus Action isn't interchangeable with a Reaction, but I thought that I'd better check.
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You can use a Reaction on your turn if you meet the appropriate trigger for the reaction, so yes, you can cast Shield in response to an Opportunity Attack.
The restriction in casting leveled spells only applies to spells cast using your bonus action. Shield does not use your bonus action. Therefore, Shield does not affect what spells you can cast using your action.
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This is 100% correct advice. Basically, you would go to move out of the threatened range, let the orc take the hit, react with shield if needed, and then move away and start blasting with your fireball. In theory, provided you had the right metamagic access do exactly what you described and throw in a quickened fire bolt for good measure. It's a lot of resources on one turn, with the sorcery points, a 1st and 3rd level spell, but if that thing really needs to die? So be it.
Great, thanks. That was my understanding as well, but when I read that Reddit, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. Thanks!
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You can even use your reaction to cast counterspell to block someone else using counterspell to block the spell you're casting with your bonus action, and still go on to use your action to cast a cantrip.
Slightly less than 100% correct. You could quicken the Fireball and throw in the firebolt as your action, for good measure. but not the order you mentioned
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Nothing prevent a reaction to be taken on your turn and the restriction for casting a spell as a bonus action do not apply to spells cast as a reaction. The Reddit is just wrong.
Oh no… you’ve started it… haha
Reaction Spells cannot be cast on your turn if you have (or will cast) cast a Bonus Action spell. But I’m sure some DMs may rule differently obviously.
The only exception I’ve seen is a semantic discussion around one edge case with Reaction BB/GFB, but that’s a verrrry rare case anyways. Ask the DM.
I always go back to this post by Greenstone_Walker:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/dungeons-dragons-discussion/rules-game-mechanics/85145-spell-action-economy?page=8
According to this, you can cast a spell using your action and cast a spell using your reaction on the same turn.
Weirdly, you can't do this if you're casting a spell using your bonus action even if you're not trying to also cast a cantrip with your action. At least if you're sticking to pure RAW, since the only ruling about this kind of stuff specifies that if you cast a spell using your bonus action, your only other spellcasting option is to cast a cantrip using your action. My feeling is this is just an oversight. It makes very little sense that you couldn't do the same thing with a BA spell. I'd even be tempted to let a player do all three: cast a BA spell, a cantrip, and still use his reaction for something like shield or counterspell. But then I don't really understand why casters can't just cast whatever if they have the actions available.
Yea casting as spell as an Action and as a Reaction isn't limited other than by how many actions or reactions you have. Casting a spell as a Bonus Action does limit all other spells on your turn to being "cantrips with a casting time of one action" meaning that reactions get blocked too (but only on your turn, you can still cast on someone else's turn).
So Action Fireball and a Reaction Counterspell is fine.
But if you quicken a Fireball into a Bonus Action then that would mean no possibility for a Counterspell.
Of course, if you cast a spell as a bonus action, then you can't cast a spell using a level or reaction before or after it, but bonus action spellcastinng is not in question by the OP and therefore without any indication of it, my original answer remains true since spell cast as a reaction don't have limitations on fireball casting in and of itself..
Here is a quick reference chart for what spells you can cast in combination on your turn.
In terms of this thread and the question that was asked, you can indeed cast a reaction spell on your turn, provided the trigger is met, and you have not used your bonus action to cast a spell.
EDIT: That may have come off sounding a bit condescending. I did not mean it that way. I am going to leave the post, though, as a reference for anyone who might not know.
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Incorrect. Whether the Fireball was cast using a standard action or a bonus action has no bearing on your ability to cast Counterspell, because the rules for casting spells as bonus actions only care about casting spells using a standard action in the same turn. Counterspell is cast using a Reaction regardless of who's turn it's cast on and therefore is not affected by you casting a spell as a bonus action.
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Its fine by me. I actually like your reference chart as it make things even easier to understand.
Nowhere in the section on BA casting does it say anything about it being specific to only the standard action.
I can see how the bolded might be taken to mean they are referring to a standard action but it also says that is the ONLY spell you can cast so reaction spell would be out during your turn.
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All this bonus action spellcasting talk is really off topic to the discussion though. It will create more confusion than anything.
okay so lets say i use meta magic to heigthen a spell like hold monster giving it dis on the wisdom save....it passes then i use my reaction to cast slivery barbs...it then rolls again and fails can i then use my bonus action to quicken cast booming blade???
No, and likely for multiple reasons. In 2014 rules (under which the thread's context exists, thanks for bumping such an old thread by the way):
1. Quicken Spell doesn't work if you've already cast a leveled spell that turn. The Hold Monster casting would have to be the Quickened spell (which would mean you can't use Heightened Spell, as you're already using a Metamagic option).
In 2024 rules:
1. If you're trying to cast both Hold Monster and Silvery Barbs using spell slots, you can't use more than one spell slot per turn. If you're casting one without a slot (such as through a feat or magic item) you're fine on this point. However...
2. The 2024 version of Quicken Spell maintained the limits listed above (2014) about being unable to use it on the same turn as a leveled spell has already been cast, no matter what the spell's source is. So either of the other spells invalidates this option.
Basically: Quicken the leveled spell, not the cantrip, as a general rule. (Or you can cast a cantrip twice using Quicken, I won't judge on that, I've done it.)
I just realized that my awesome catch-all spellcasting flow chart is no longer relevant. 🙁
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We need an update for that chart considering the new rule "One Spell with a Spell Slot per Turn" 😅