If you hit a creature with a melee attack roll using this weapon, you can make a melee attack roll with the weapon against a second creature within 5 feet of the first that is also within your reach. On a hit, the second creature takes the weapon’s damage, but don’t add your ability modifier to that damage unless that modifier is negative. You can make this extra attack only once per turn.
Sweeping Attack
When you hit a creature with a melee attack roll using a weapon or an Unarmed Strike, you can expend one Superiority Die to attempt to damage another creature. Choose another creature within 5 feet of the original target and within your reach. If the original attack roll would hit the second creature, it takes damage equal to the number you roll on your Superiority Die. The damage is of the same type dealt by the original attack.
So an example. I am a level 3 battlemaster fighter and I have this maneuver. I go in and attack the front row of 3 goblins that are all side-by-side and I attack the middle one. I swing with my Halberd which I have mastery in. My first attack hits. I can now cleave another one and I hit that one too. Can I do my sweeping attack to hit the third? Can sweeping attack kick in when I hit the second one with cleave to hit the first one again?
Yes, you can use Sweeping Attack on the extra attack from Cleave. Interestingly, Sweeping Attack is not limited to once per turn the way Cleave is, so you could actually activate Sweeping Attack on both the initial attack and the Cleave attack, for four instances of damage (not really four attacks, since you don't roll a new roll for Sweeping Attack). Also, there wouldn't need to be three goblins; if you applied the Sweeping Attack to the attack from Cleave, you could just target the goblin that you targeted with the original attack that triggered Cleave.
I.e. you can...
G G ^Attack ^Sweeping Attack from Attack ^Cleave from Attack ^Sweeping Attack from Cleave
The first goblin would take your normal attack damage + your superiority die, and the second would take your weapon's damage die + your superiority die.
I will note, this is horrible inefficient. You could achieve the same damage to the same number of monsters in addition to some powerful effects by using many of the other Maneuvers, which should also stack on Cleave.
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Well the initial idea was just to be able to hurt multiple enemies like an AoE as a martial fighter without the use of magic. If I was trying to damage a group of 4 that were in a block or maybe in some kind of X shape, as an example, I could probably do that since they only have to be within 5ft of each other and not me, and I had a polearm to reach those in back. It wouldn't be a lot of investment either with just using one weapon mastery that is good anyway plus only needing just the sweeping attack maneuver. There are still two maneuvers open and two more weapon masteries I can have. Since I am doing that with one attack action, if I was dragonborn and made it to fifth level, I could then use the breath weapon attack for my second attack to hurt the group again.
Is it optimal and efficient? Not really. But is it neat to picture hewing through groups of enemies then spitting a stream of acid or fire at them? Yeah.
When you hit a creature with a melee attack roll using Cleave weapon, you can use both the Cleave Mastery extra attack and Sweeping Attack Maneuver damage on another goblin.
In your example, it can be same goblin or a different one within 5 feet of the original target.
G1 G2 G3
X
In your example. If you originally attack G2, you can Cleave and Sweep G1 or G3. If you decide to Sweep on the Cleave extra attack instead, you can only Sweep G2 since G1 or G3 are the one Cleave.
I was thinking on how to optimize this concept of AoE martials as well. I liked what you guys suggested.
Another good resourceless option is the Hew effect of the GWM feat, which can also be improved by Sweeping Attack. If you can try to squeeze some Horde Breaker from Hunter Ranger, things will get wild.
How would these two combine? Can they combine?
Cleave
If you hit a creature with a melee attack roll using this weapon, you can make a melee attack roll with the weapon against a second creature within 5 feet of the first that is also within your reach. On a hit, the second creature takes the weapon’s damage, but don’t add your ability modifier to that damage unless that modifier is negative. You can make this extra attack only once per turn.
Sweeping Attack
When you hit a creature with a melee attack roll using a weapon or an Unarmed Strike, you can expend one Superiority Die to attempt to damage another creature. Choose another creature within 5 feet of the original target and within your reach. If the original attack roll would hit the second creature, it takes damage equal to the number you roll on your Superiority Die. The damage is of the same type dealt by the original attack.
So an example. I am a level 3 battlemaster fighter and I have this maneuver. I go in and attack the front row of 3 goblins that are all side-by-side and I attack the middle one. I swing with my Halberd which I have mastery in. My first attack hits. I can now cleave another one and I hit that one too. Can I do my sweeping attack to hit the third? Can sweeping attack kick in when I hit the second one with cleave to hit the first one again?
Yes, you can use Sweeping Attack on the extra attack from Cleave. Interestingly, Sweeping Attack is not limited to once per turn the way Cleave is, so you could actually activate Sweeping Attack on both the initial attack and the Cleave attack, for four instances of damage (not really four attacks, since you don't roll a new roll for Sweeping Attack). Also, there wouldn't need to be three goblins; if you applied the Sweeping Attack to the attack from Cleave, you could just target the goblin that you targeted with the original attack that triggered Cleave.
I.e. you can...
G G
^Attack
^Sweeping Attack from Attack
^Cleave from Attack
^Sweeping Attack from Cleave
The first goblin would take your normal attack damage + your superiority die, and the second would take your weapon's damage die + your superiority die.
I will note, this is horrible inefficient. You could achieve the same damage to the same number of monsters in addition to some powerful effects by using many of the other Maneuvers, which should also stack on Cleave.
Look at what you've done. You spoiled it. You have nobody to blame but yourself. Go sit and think about your actions.
Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny.
Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
How I'm posting based on text formatting: Mod Hat Off - Mod Hat Also Off (I'm not a mod)
Well the initial idea was just to be able to hurt multiple enemies like an AoE as a martial fighter without the use of magic. If I was trying to damage a group of 4 that were in a block or maybe in some kind of X shape, as an example, I could probably do that since they only have to be within 5ft of each other and not me, and I had a polearm to reach those in back. It wouldn't be a lot of investment either with just using one weapon mastery that is good anyway plus only needing just the sweeping attack maneuver. There are still two maneuvers open and two more weapon masteries I can have. Since I am doing that with one attack action, if I was dragonborn and made it to fifth level, I could then use the breath weapon attack for my second attack to hurt the group again.
Is it optimal and efficient? Not really. But is it neat to picture hewing through groups of enemies then spitting a stream of acid or fire at them? Yeah.
When you hit a creature with a melee attack roll using Cleave weapon, you can use both the Cleave Mastery extra attack and Sweeping Attack Maneuver damage on another goblin.
In your example, it can be same goblin or a different one within 5 feet of the original target.
G1 G2 G3
X
In your example. If you originally attack G2, you can Cleave and Sweep G1 or G3. If you decide to Sweep on the Cleave extra attack instead, you can only Sweep G2 since G1 or G3 are the one Cleave.
I was thinking on how to optimize this concept of AoE martials as well. I liked what you guys suggested.
Another good resourceless option is the Hew effect of the GWM feat, which can also be improved by Sweeping Attack. If you can try to squeeze some Horde Breaker from Hunter Ranger, things will get wild.