Hidden Step is a trait of Firbolgs in MoTM, which says:
Hidden Step
As a bonus action, you can magically turn invisible until the start of your next turn or until you attack, make a damage roll, or force someone to make a saving throw. You can use this trait a number of times equal to your proficiency bonus, and you regain all expended uses when you finish a long rest.
I think that "force someone" is an interesting choice of words.
"force" would suggest that a self-inflicted saving throw (like willingly walking into a Spirit Guardians aura) wouldn't count. It's their choice and I didn't force them to.
"someone" would suggest that creatures that are not people would be excluded. Including beasts, monstrosities, constructs, etc. They're not someone, they're something.That's why the most commonly used word to designate enemies in the rules is "creature" and not "someone"...
Hidden Step is a trait of Firbolgs in MoTM, which says:
Hidden Step
As a bonus action, you can magically turn invisible until the start of your next turn or until you attack, make a damage roll, or force someone to make a saving throw. You can use this trait a number of times equal to your proficiency bonus, and you regain all expended uses when you finish a long rest.
I think that "force someone" is an interesting choice of words.
"force" would suggest that a self-inflicted saving throw (like willingly walking into a Spirit Guardians aura) wouldn't count. It's their choice and I didn't force them to.
"someone" would suggest that creatures that are not people would be excluded. Including beasts, monstrosities, constructs, etc. They're not someone, they're something.That's why the most commonly used word to designate enemies in the rules is "creature" and not "someone"...
Am I overthinking this?
With all due respect, yes, I think you're overthinking this. It's pretty clear that the intent here is that using any spell or other ability that requires at least one target to make a saving throw ends the invisibility, regardless of what type of creature they are or whether it was technically triggered by them moving.
If the intent was for "someone" to only refer to certain types of creatures, it would say that. Likewise, if the intent was for it to not apply when someone makes a saving throw because they willingly moved into a damaging AoE you created, it would definitely say that explicitly.
Yeeaaaaahh you're probably right. Still, you gotta admit that the wording there is a bit ambiguous. And it would absolutely not be the first time that a set of rules isn't explicit about what it does (ref. the topic about Chainlock). But yeah, I'll admit this interpretation is bit far-fetched :)
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Hidden Step is a trait of Firbolgs in MoTM, which says:
I think that "force someone" is an interesting choice of words.
Am I overthinking this?
With all due respect, yes, I think you're overthinking this. It's pretty clear that the intent here is that using any spell or other ability that requires at least one target to make a saving throw ends the invisibility, regardless of what type of creature they are or whether it was technically triggered by them moving.
If the intent was for "someone" to only refer to certain types of creatures, it would say that. Likewise, if the intent was for it to not apply when someone makes a saving throw because they willingly moved into a damaging AoE you created, it would definitely say that explicitly.
pronouns: he/she/they
Yeeaaaaahh you're probably right. Still, you gotta admit that the wording there is a bit ambiguous.
And it would absolutely not be the first time that a set of rules isn't explicit about what it does (ref. the topic about Chainlock).
But yeah, I'll admit this interpretation is bit far-fetched :)