There is a discussion going on in my server about how duplicating a spell with wish works. The spell were casting with wish for the example is banishment.
the two sides of the argument are as follows:
A: You cast wish to cast the banishment spell for 1 action no m/v/s components. The target still has to make the save and you still have to concentrate for the duration. argument: all wish is doing is duplicating the effect of the spell, the spell itself still must be played out as written.
B: you cast wish to cast the banishment spell for 1 action no m/v/s component. The target is simply banished no save and no concentration. argument: You don't need to meet any requirements in that spell, including costly components. The spell simply takes effect. the key here being the underlined section.
please reply with references to any published rules or rulings posted by key people like Matt Coville and Jeremy Crawford etc.
The spell you are duplicating still does what it says it does. Wish simply allows you to cast the spell using the casting requirements for wish rather than the casting requirements for banishment. Where things get weird is when you consider that a clear path to the target is a casting requirement for a spell, but it looks like wish waives that one as well. I don't believe this was the intention.
EDIT: Wish is kind of special in that if you want it to do something it doesn't normally do, it probably still does it anyway--just by way of its second function, which does come with additional risk. If I was DM, I would explain this to the PC when they cast and let them decide if they still wanted to go through with it.
You don't need to meet the requirements to cast the spell, but you still need to meet the requirements to sustain the spell etc imo.
The questionable one imo is the spells where the component is also the target, like leomunds secret chest.
My personal reading on it is you still need a chest and replica, but they can be any old chest and replica. Cone you need some kind of sealable vessle capable of holding the body, just not a 2k one. Though I see some arguments where it just creates the chest etc for you as part of the wish.
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There is a discussion going on in my server about how duplicating a spell with wish works.
The spell were casting with wish for the example is banishment.
the two sides of the argument are as follows:
A: You cast wish to cast the banishment spell for 1 action no m/v/s components. The target still has to make the save and you still have to concentrate for the duration.
argument: all wish is doing is duplicating the effect of the spell, the spell itself still must be played out as written.
B: you cast wish to cast the banishment spell for 1 action no m/v/s component. The target is simply banished no save and no concentration.
argument: You don't need to meet any requirements in that spell, including costly components. The spell simply takes effect. the key here being the underlined section.
please reply with references to any published rules or rulings posted by key people like Matt Coville and Jeremy Crawford etc.
The spell you are duplicating still does what it says it does. Wish simply allows you to cast the spell using the casting requirements for wish rather than the casting requirements for banishment. Where things get weird is when you consider that a clear path to the target is a casting requirement for a spell, but it looks like wish waives that one as well. I don't believe this was the intention.
EDIT: Wish is kind of special in that if you want it to do something it doesn't normally do, it probably still does it anyway--just by way of its second function, which does come with additional risk. If I was DM, I would explain this to the PC when they cast and let them decide if they still wanted to go through with it.
"Not all those who wander are lost"
If you use the new text for wish, it resolves this issue
" If you use it this way, you don’t need to meet any requirements to cast that spell,"
If an enemy makes a save and lessens or avoids the *effect* of a spells, you've still cast it.
You don't need to meet the requirements to cast the spell, but you still need to meet the requirements to sustain the spell etc imo.
The questionable one imo is the spells where the component is also the target, like leomunds secret chest.
My personal reading on it is you still need a chest and replica, but they can be any old chest and replica. Cone you need some kind of sealable vessle capable of holding the body, just not a 2k one. Though I see some arguments where it just creates the chest etc for you as part of the wish.