Monstrous Compendium Vol. 1: Spelljammer Creatures
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"I'm objecting to the interpretation put forward that if you take the Hide action, which - as part of the action - has you make a Stealth check, that you're still loud unless you immediately make a second Stealth check."
Thats not how the 2024 rules work.
You make a stealth check. If greater than 15, you are hidden. For someone to spot you, they must make a perception check with a dc of whatever you rolled on yoir stealth check.
Unless you do one of the things in the list that stops you from being hidden, you keep the invisible condition..
Id probably say if you move at half speed, youre being careful and simply remain hidden.
If you do something not on the list, but has a good chance of getting you spotted, like dashing through the woods, then maybe you make another Hide check (assuming you havent used all your actions)
That caster is spending resources to cast quietly, as part of a significant class feature.
Compare to a Thief Rogue sniping from cover with Supreme Sneak:
"Stealth Attack (Cost: 1d6). If you have the Hide action’s Invisible condition, this attack doesn’t end that condition on you if you end the turn behind Three-Quarters Cover or Total Cover."
Question about having blindsight or see invisibility. Both allow you to see objects that have the invisible condition.
But what happen when an enemy is hidden?
A- you are able to instantaneously spot an enemy who has taken the Hide Action successfully, as the benefit of the invisible condition is negated in the range.
B - you are able to instantaneously spot an enemy who has the invisible condition due to magic but not an enemy who is invisible because they have taken the Hide Action successfully, because they are also moving stealthily, so they might have taken advantage of your distractions (like you are literally looking in a different direction).
I am in doubt about this because while blindsight seem to logically lead to option A, as you use other senses to perceive what your eyes can not, see invisibility is not an alarm bell that tells you there is someone behind you. Wherever you are looking you can see creatures who are invisible but I can imagine someone sneaking behind you.
On another hand, someone who is moving very stealthily could maybe fool even a creature with blindsight maybe?
Option A is only a valid reading if you consider the Hide action as only giving you the Invisible condition where the rest of the language is narrative fluff.
If you consider the Hide action as more than that, then it's reasonable to be able to hide from someone with Blindsight or See Invisibility, though an argument for Blindsight seeing a hidden creature unless they are also behind total cover could be made, I guess.
I think there's mulitple ways to rule this, but this is my way:
For Truesight, Blindsight, and See Invisibility, they don't really make much of a difference. They don't help you find someone, they just mean you can see invisible things. So, once you know to look, they'd no longer be invisible, but you don't know where to look. EDIT: these don't give you "eyes in the back of your head."
Tremorsense, on the other hand, lets you find them out outright, because you can "pinpoint the location of creatures and moving objects within a specific range."
I tend to agree with Sabin76 that there is an argument to be made that blindsight, like tremorsense, should be able to immediately spot someone hidden, because all your other senses are doing the work. Like Daredevil, kinda.. You perceive the movement in the air, the smell, the change in air temperature and even the vibration in the ground. Being stealthy against something like this sounds really really hard.
Huh. Ive played three different characters with the 2024 rules so far. Havent gotten around to rogue yet.
I like it, but feel like it could be a feat available to ranger4, fighter4. But better than nothing i suppose.
Blindsight, truesight are "line of sight" types of seeing. Truesight and blind sight cant see through cover, they cant see through thick foilage. They cant see through fogcloud.
Tremorsense is more of an omniscient sense. You can see through walls and see whats on the other side. Total cover doesnt block tremorsense. The thing that looks like a wall to tremorsense is any kind of an air gap.
Tremorsense could see through walls into the next room of a dungeon, but it probably wouldnt detect the beholder floating in the middle of the room.
Haven't we already agreed that the rules are poorly written? The real problem with hide isn't that the rules can be rules lawyered (lots of rules can be), the real problem is that it's not even possible to determine what they intended it to do.
Once you have hidden, can you leave your hiding place and remain invisible? I'm pretty sure "prance through the middle of the room waving pom-poms without anyone seeing you" is not intended, but I also doubt that it's the intent that it's never possible to remain hidden without 3/4 cover, total cover, or heavy concealment (particularly since being invisible while behind total cover or in heavy concealment doesn't do anything).
Does hiding conceal your position? Nothing about the invisible condition actually does so, as concealing your position requires being unheard as well as unseen, but that seems like an odd option to be missing from the rules.
Can see invisibility automatically detect a hidden creature, assuming they are not impossible to see for other reasons? It seems like an odd expansion of the spell, but it's the obvious reading of the spell.
Things like "the invisible condition doesn't actually prevent anyone from seeing you", while a badly written rule, don't have that problem, as it's pretty clearly intended that being invisible makes it so people cannot normally see you.