so i cannot get ahold of the ppl here at DDB cuz the mail link is not working but but how is it right for a DM to invite you to a game have you make a few chars. then kill you off only to take the chars. you made and use them in his new camp. but not tell nor ask you about it i think there should be a way to have the chars. that a player makes only visable to the player.....you see i had a few problems with my first few chars. as i was new to this and he said oh no worries i can help with this so he goes into my char sheet from HIS computer and changes things i never not one time gave him any info that would get him into my account nor did i give him permission to use my chars in any camp. they he remade at any time....he never asked nor told me i had to fine out from others that he has done this to as he started twitching his new sessoins with OUR chars. without our permission and then wanted to call us losers and laugh at the fact that hes got our chars and hes going to used them OH AND I HAVE SCREEN SHOTS TO PROVE THIS. i think honestly he sould be banned from DDB for missuse and thieft....if anyone wishes to konw his name ask me privetly as i wont do as he acts in here......
DMs have access to the characters that are part of their campaign. He didn’t go into your account, he accessed them from the campaign. I get that how this person acted doesn’t sit well with you, but in normal groups DMs having access to charsheets is for the best.
As for the rest, that seems shitty but also doesn’t make a lot of sense. What’s he going to stream? Those are just character sheets, a bunch of words and numbers on a page. It’s you playing them that makes them your character. Whatever he does with those charsheets, that’s not your character. It’s something with the same stats and backstory maybe, but it’s not your character. It’s sad and petty what he did, but you don’t have to feel affected personally. Look for a better DM, play your character or another one in that one’s campaign. This kind of thing isn’t just weird and sad, it’s fortunately also vanishingly rare. You had a bad experience, but there’s no reason to believe the next one won’t be (much) better.
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Sounds very much like a DM that isnt a DM for the players, but for the powertrip it gives them as such. Those sort of DMs have no place within the gaming world and spoil it for everyone when they do such.
To be honest no DM should make changes to your sheet, view it yes, but make changes, no. Even if it is their campaign they shouldnt have such access in my view to do such, apart from leaving a note or such within a notes section for a msg from DM to player.
No DM should be taking other people's character ideas. You may be in the DM's campaign, but the character you made up is, for lack of a better term, your IP. Unfortunately, I am not sure of any particular scripted mechanism in the DDB code that would prevent what happened to you. I mean theoretically, although it would take work, just letting someone see your sheet, such as the DM must be able to do, the person could copy everything you did into his own sheet, marked private, and use your stuff even though you never said it was OK.
As to editing your sheet... a DM should NOT do this without the player knowing, but the DM should be ABLE to do it. For example, one of my players has not been around for some sessions. We are using his PC as an NPC. He has gotten some loot. I added that to his character sheet. He has gotten XP. I added it as well.
But a DM should only do this to help out a player, never to harm them or re-write their character.
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so my question is this then if they are specific to the world MY character lived in how can he have them play in any way in a total NEW world he made if they dont have ties to that world i mean i get the fact that imagination goes along way but i mean come on
i do understand the fact that some things a DM must do as you said make them a NPC till they return add in loot they may of got and so on but man to just totaly be a asshat and kill the sessions off then take them to use in a total new world ....
It sounds like you've been wronged, but the way you present yourself makes it hard to follow. Imagine if you walked into a grocery store and started yelling about how unfair it is that your roommate drank your milk. None of us have any idea what you are talking about, and you sound crazy, even if it was wrong for your roommate to drink your milk.
That being said, there is a big red "Leave Campaign" button next your character, so you can leave any campaign you've joined and the DM can't access your character anymore. Also, just because the DM uses your character's name, stats, background or whatever, doesn't really mean anything for you as far as continuing to play that character goes. This isn't an MMO. Nothing one DM does makes it impossible for you to take that character to another campaign, change back whatever the DM did and pretend nothing happened.
It may not be an MMO, and the DM playing the OP's character idea won't stop the OP from playing the character.
But... it is highly unethical for a DM to, without permission, take someone else's IP. The OP made up this character, not the DM. Using it as a PC or NPC in another campaign is unethical without player permission. Worse, doing it after killing off a character (if that is what happens -- I agree the OP's rant was not completely coherent), makes it at least appear, whether true or not, that the DM killed off the character so he could use it for himself. That's just horrible DMing, if that is in fact what happened.
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It may not be an MMO, and the DM playing the OP's character idea won't stop the OP from playing the character.
But... it is highly unethical for a DM to, without permission, take someone else's IP. The OP made up this character, not the DM. Using it as a PC or NPC in another campaign is unethical without player permission. Worse, doing it after killing off a character (if that is what happens -- I agree the OP's rant was not completely coherent), makes it at least appear, whether true or not, that the DM killed off the character so he could use it for himself. That's just horrible DMing, if that is in fact what happened.
I agree that it's not ethical to just say 'I like your character idea, I'm going to steal it for my other stuff even if you don't agree!'. The killing it off part seems irrelevant, because it's not like killing the character off somehow makes it easier for the DM to steal it. I fully agree that OP SEEMS to have been wronged, that the DMs actions SEEM to be highly unethical and NOT COOL. But it also seems like OP is possibly under some false impressions of how D&D works as far as characters, portability, etc... I want to make sure they understand that nothing this DM did has any actual bearing on their ability to play their character in another campaign.
Yes, I agree... we need more clarity on this to understand what is going on.
Also, I do want to point out of someone thought your PC idea was cool and used it as inspiration to make his or her own, that's not the same thing as wholesale swiping the character sheet. It's actually a compliment then.
Just the other day someone posted about 2 campaign ideas, and one was a post-apoc idea with only one city of civilization left after a major war, that suddenly stopped and nobody really knows why it stopped or who the invaders really were. I thought this was an awesome idea and I am going to use the basics for a solo game I am planning to play. I wrote up my own thing and what I have now is probably 80% my own, and only 20% his original idea. That's OK -- it happens all the time. We get inspiration from other sources (I have combined his idea with a "Hunger Games" drafting ceremony for the explorers, and a "War of the Worlds" type of alien invasion --- see? Getting inspiration from 3 different places). And inspiration is how great storytelling happens.
But what I didn't do was copy-paste the guy's post and go with just that. Inspiration is one thing. Wholesale copy-pasting is something else.
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I just don’t understand what this DM is getting out of this, or what the train of thought was. What exactly did he do/is he doing that’s a win for him? Anything that comes to mind just makes him appear incredibly small-minded, uncreative and pathetic, so @OP seems arguably better off not having anything to do with him anymore anyway.
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so i cannot get ahold of the ppl here at DDB cuz the mail link is not working but but how is it right for a DM to invite you to a game have you make a few chars. then kill you off only to take the chars. you made and use them in his new camp. but not tell nor ask you about it i think there should be a way to have the chars. that a player makes only visable to the player.....you see i had a few problems with my first few chars. as i was new to this and he said oh no worries i can help with this so he goes into my char sheet from HIS computer and changes things i never not one time gave him any info that would get him into my account nor did i give him permission to use my chars in any camp. they he remade at any time....he never asked nor told me i had to fine out from others that he has done this to as he started twitching his new sessoins with OUR chars. without our permission and then wanted to call us losers and laugh at the fact that hes got our chars and hes going to used them OH AND I HAVE SCREEN SHOTS TO PROVE THIS. i think honestly he sould be banned from DDB for missuse and thieft....if anyone wishes to konw his name ask me privetly as i wont do as he acts in here......
DMs have access to the characters that are part of their campaign. He didn’t go into your account, he accessed them from the campaign. I get that how this person acted doesn’t sit well with you, but in normal groups DMs having access to charsheets is for the best.
As for the rest, that seems shitty but also doesn’t make a lot of sense. What’s he going to stream? Those are just character sheets, a bunch of words and numbers on a page. It’s you playing them that makes them your character. Whatever he does with those charsheets, that’s not your character. It’s something with the same stats and backstory maybe, but it’s not your character. It’s sad and petty what he did, but you don’t have to feel affected personally. Look for a better DM, play your character or another one in that one’s campaign. This kind of thing isn’t just weird and sad, it’s fortunately also vanishingly rare. You had a bad experience, but there’s no reason to believe the next one won’t be (much) better.
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Sounds very much like a DM that isnt a DM for the players, but for the powertrip it gives them as such. Those sort of DMs have no place within the gaming world and spoil it for everyone when they do such.
To be honest no DM should make changes to your sheet, view it yes, but make changes, no. Even if it is their campaign they shouldnt have such access in my view to do such, apart from leaving a note or such within a notes section for a msg from DM to player.
No DM should be taking other people's character ideas. You may be in the DM's campaign, but the character you made up is, for lack of a better term, your IP. Unfortunately, I am not sure of any particular scripted mechanism in the DDB code that would prevent what happened to you. I mean theoretically, although it would take work, just letting someone see your sheet, such as the DM must be able to do, the person could copy everything you did into his own sheet, marked private, and use your stuff even though you never said it was OK.
As to editing your sheet... a DM should NOT do this without the player knowing, but the DM should be ABLE to do it. For example, one of my players has not been around for some sessions. We are using his PC as an NPC. He has gotten some loot. I added that to his character sheet. He has gotten XP. I added it as well.
But a DM should only do this to help out a player, never to harm them or re-write their character.
WOTC lies. We know that WOTC lies. WOTC knows that we know that WOTC lies. We know that WOTC knows that we know that WOTC lies. And still they lie.
Because of the above (a paraphrase from Orwell) I no longer post to the forums -- PM me if you need help or anything.
so my question is this then if they are specific to the world MY character lived in how can he have them play in any way in a total NEW world he made if they dont have ties to that world i mean i get the fact that imagination goes along way but i mean come on
i do understand the fact that some things a DM must do as you said make them a NPC till they return add in loot they may of got and so on but man to just totaly be a asshat and kill the sessions off then take them to use in a total new world ....
It sounds like you've been wronged, but the way you present yourself makes it hard to follow. Imagine if you walked into a grocery store and started yelling about how unfair it is that your roommate drank your milk. None of us have any idea what you are talking about, and you sound crazy, even if it was wrong for your roommate to drink your milk.
That being said, there is a big red "Leave Campaign" button next your character, so you can leave any campaign you've joined and the DM can't access your character anymore. Also, just because the DM uses your character's name, stats, background or whatever, doesn't really mean anything for you as far as continuing to play that character goes. This isn't an MMO. Nothing one DM does makes it impossible for you to take that character to another campaign, change back whatever the DM did and pretend nothing happened.
It may not be an MMO, and the DM playing the OP's character idea won't stop the OP from playing the character.
But... it is highly unethical for a DM to, without permission, take someone else's IP. The OP made up this character, not the DM. Using it as a PC or NPC in another campaign is unethical without player permission. Worse, doing it after killing off a character (if that is what happens -- I agree the OP's rant was not completely coherent), makes it at least appear, whether true or not, that the DM killed off the character so he could use it for himself. That's just horrible DMing, if that is in fact what happened.
WOTC lies. We know that WOTC lies. WOTC knows that we know that WOTC lies. We know that WOTC knows that we know that WOTC lies. And still they lie.
Because of the above (a paraphrase from Orwell) I no longer post to the forums -- PM me if you need help or anything.
I agree that it's not ethical to just say 'I like your character idea, I'm going to steal it for my other stuff even if you don't agree!'. The killing it off part seems irrelevant, because it's not like killing the character off somehow makes it easier for the DM to steal it. I fully agree that OP SEEMS to have been wronged, that the DMs actions SEEM to be highly unethical and NOT COOL. But it also seems like OP is possibly under some false impressions of how D&D works as far as characters, portability, etc... I want to make sure they understand that nothing this DM did has any actual bearing on their ability to play their character in another campaign.
Yes, I agree... we need more clarity on this to understand what is going on.
Also, I do want to point out of someone thought your PC idea was cool and used it as inspiration to make his or her own, that's not the same thing as wholesale swiping the character sheet. It's actually a compliment then.
Just the other day someone posted about 2 campaign ideas, and one was a post-apoc idea with only one city of civilization left after a major war, that suddenly stopped and nobody really knows why it stopped or who the invaders really were. I thought this was an awesome idea and I am going to use the basics for a solo game I am planning to play. I wrote up my own thing and what I have now is probably 80% my own, and only 20% his original idea. That's OK -- it happens all the time. We get inspiration from other sources (I have combined his idea with a "Hunger Games" drafting ceremony for the explorers, and a "War of the Worlds" type of alien invasion --- see? Getting inspiration from 3 different places). And inspiration is how great storytelling happens.
But what I didn't do was copy-paste the guy's post and go with just that. Inspiration is one thing. Wholesale copy-pasting is something else.
WOTC lies. We know that WOTC lies. WOTC knows that we know that WOTC lies. We know that WOTC knows that we know that WOTC lies. And still they lie.
Because of the above (a paraphrase from Orwell) I no longer post to the forums -- PM me if you need help or anything.
I just don’t understand what this DM is getting out of this, or what the train of thought was. What exactly did he do/is he doing that’s a win for him? Anything that comes to mind just makes him appear incredibly small-minded, uncreative and pathetic, so @OP seems arguably better off not having anything to do with him anymore anyway.
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