If you are cursed, exhausted, Poisoned, unconscious, or charmed while polymorph it translates to your original form if you change it back.
The prerequisites for awaken are that you touch a beast or plant with 3 intelligence or less....AND THAN THE TARGET (see how they use the word target) intelligence will increase to a 10.
Now if you cast polymorph on a monstrosity, and than use awaken on it's polymorph form .the beast will be able to understand a language you know.
Now if that creature changes back does the magical effect of their intelligence increasing to 10 stay with them.
I know the other part of the spell will not hold because it does say that the Beast or plant will be Charmed by you for 30 days after he comes unpolymorphed it would be no longer Beast or plant.
No, because awaken has a casting time of 8 hours, while polymorph only lasts one hour. Either way, though (even if you used True Polymorph and let it last its full duration, then dispelled it after casting awaken), it would not work.
Here's what happens:
1. You cast polymorph on a monstrosity. Let's say it's an ankheg, with an Intelligence score of 1. You polymorph it into an ape.
2. The ape's Intelligence score of 6 replaces the ankheg's Intelligence score of 1.
3. Now, you cast awaken. The ankheg-ape now has an Intelligence score of 10.
However, this change is on the new mental score that belongs to the ape form, not the old score that belongs to the ankheg (true) form. So, when:
4. You dispel the transformation (which seems like it would also dispel the awaken spell).
5. The Ankheg's original (true) mental scores replace that of its transformed scores. Your ankheg now has an intelligence of 1 again.
that would be true if all spell and conditions were dispelled with polymorph end. but that's not the case. conditions, and effects are transferred over. unless your new form does not met the requirements of the spell. if your unconscious in your natural form and you are polymorphed you still down. or if you have been charmed PERSON cast on you and your changed into a beast by the spells wording your no longer charmed, and other effect like poison/stunned transfer to the new form.
no what im getting at is the loose wording in the spell. because it does not say the beast intelligent go to 10 but the Targets go's to 10
spells are not necessarily broken by changing in to a new form
that would be true if all spell and conditions were dispelled with polymorph end. but that's not the case. conditions, and effects are transferred over. unless your new form does not met the requirements of the spell.
Ability score changes don't transfer over between forms because your ability scores are replaced. Also, turning the creature back into a monstrosity means it no longer meets the requirements of Awaken.
ow that part makes sense since in it replaced it wont transfer but I do not agree with the last part. the spell does have a hole in it with the loose word target instead of beast
ow that part makes sense since in it replaced it wont transfer but I do not agree with the last part. the spell does have a hole in it with the loose word target instead of beast
The very first sentence specifies a Huge or smaller beast or plant. The following sentences should be understood in that context; any references to "the target" are just talking about the beast or plant you touched.
Awaken is Instantaneous, so it's not an "ongoing effect". It changes the target's intelligence score. So does reverting from Polymorph. If Awaken had a duration other than Instantaneous, an argument could be made that it still affected the target after reverting from Polymorph, although if the original creature were a monstrosity, it would not be eligible for Awaken, so the spell would end.
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If you are cursed, exhausted, Poisoned, unconscious, or charmed while polymorph it translates to your original form if you change it back.
The prerequisites for awaken are that you touch a beast or plant with 3 intelligence or less....AND THAN THE TARGET (see how they use the word target) intelligence will increase to a 10.
Now if you cast polymorph on a monstrosity, and than use awaken on it's polymorph form .the beast will be able to understand a language you know.
Now if that creature changes back does the magical effect of their intelligence increasing to 10 stay with them.
I know the other part of the spell will not hold because it does say that the Beast or plant will be Charmed by you for 30 days after he comes unpolymorphed it would be no longer Beast or plant.
Let me know your thoughts
No, because awaken has a casting time of 8 hours, while polymorph only lasts one hour. Either way, though (even if you used True Polymorph and let it last its full duration, then dispelled it after casting awaken), it would not work.
Here's what happens:
1. You cast polymorph on a monstrosity. Let's say it's an ankheg, with an Intelligence score of 1. You polymorph it into an ape.
2. The ape's Intelligence score of 6 replaces the ankheg's Intelligence score of 1.
3. Now, you cast awaken. The ankheg-ape now has an Intelligence score of 10.
However, this change is on the new mental score that belongs to the ape form, not the old score that belongs to the ankheg (true) form. So, when:
4. You dispel the transformation (which seems like it would also dispel the awaken spell).
5. The Ankheg's original (true) mental scores replace that of its transformed scores. Your ankheg now has an intelligence of 1 again.
And that's all I have to say about that.
that would be true if all spell and conditions were dispelled with polymorph end. but that's not the case. conditions, and effects are transferred over. unless your new form does not met the requirements of the spell. if your unconscious in your natural form and you are polymorphed you still down. or if you have been charmed PERSON cast on you and your changed into a beast by the spells wording your no longer charmed, and other effect like poison/stunned transfer to the new form.
no what im getting at is the loose wording in the spell. because it does not say the beast intelligent go to 10 but the Targets go's to 10
spells are not necessarily broken by changing in to a new form
Ability score changes don't transfer over between forms because your ability scores are replaced. Also, turning the creature back into a monstrosity means it no longer meets the requirements of Awaken.
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ow that part makes sense since in it replaced it wont transfer but I do not agree with the last part. the spell does have a hole in it with the loose word target instead of beast
btw do you work for D&D Beyond
The very first sentence specifies a Huge or smaller beast or plant. The following sentences should be understood in that context; any references to "the target" are just talking about the beast or plant you touched.
Nope.
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Awaken is Instantaneous, so it's not an "ongoing effect". It changes the target's intelligence score. So does reverting from Polymorph. If Awaken had a duration other than Instantaneous, an argument could be made that it still affected the target after reverting from Polymorph, although if the original creature were a monstrosity, it would not be eligible for Awaken, so the spell would end.