lets say i want to cast simulacrum, which needs 1500 gp worth of ruby dust. i cast creation, creating a ruby, then fabricate it into ruby dust near the end of the casting of simulacrum. i give it to the caster, they sprinkle it over the snow and boom there is another one of our beloved evoker wizard. the simulacrum only goes back to being snow when it dies (and the simulacrum description says it reverts to a pile of snow when it dies, not a pile of snow and ruby dust), so if i drop concentration on creation then because the simulacrum is alive now it would not effect it, right?
Fabricate could still help I think. I have no idea how rubies are mined, but i assume the raw ruby is in rock or something, and they are mined out and refined to look like valuable ruby. So if you came across a ruby vein or whatever it is you could cast fabricate there turning a less valuable thing into the refined ruby worth 1500gp which you can then turn into dust, or maybe straight from rock to dust. So like make some dwarf friends and whistle while you cast. Basically I think you could shave costs as the miners need to sell the ruby to dude who refines it and make a profit, the jeweler sells it at a profit, if you can by pass a step and basically buy it wholesale or less.
Fabricate could still help I think. I have no idea how rubies are mined, but i assume the raw ruby is in rock or something, and they are mined out and refined to look like valuable ruby. So if you came across a ruby vein or whatever it is you could cast fabricate there turning a less valuable thing into the refined ruby worth 1500gp which you can then turn into dust, or maybe straight from rock to dust. So like make some dwarf friends and whistle while you cast. Basically I think you could shave costs as the miners need to sell the ruby to dude who refines it and make a profit, the jeweler sells it at a profit, if you can by pass a step and basically buy it wholesale or less.
It should be possible to turn an uncut ruby into cut or powdered ruby, but it won't help you a lot:
Fabricate is probably not useful for separating ore. Fabricate appears to turn a fixed quantity of raw materials into the same quantity of finished material, which for earth and stone is a 5' cube. This can probably probably turn a 5' cube of ore into a 5' cube of tailings plus any rubies that happened to be in that cube, but a mere 5' cube of ore may not contain anything of particular value.
Powdered ruby is probably made from uncut stones anyway, and it's really not that hard to turn a ruby into powder, so it's not contributing much to the cost (and if you want to use magic, shatter should be more than sufficient).
Powdered ruby is probably made from uncut stones anyway, and it's really not that hard to turn a ruby into powder, so it's not contributing much to the cost (and if you want to use magic, shatter should be more than sufficient).
I wouldn't allow shatter to work for powder. Fabricate would be perfect for this. Also, while in the real world, a cut "1,500 gp" ruby would probably be less mass than "1,500 gp" of ruby powder, in the D&D economy, I would treat them as interchangeable.
lets say i want to cast simulacrum, which needs 1500 gp worth of ruby dust. i cast creation, creating a ruby, then fabricate it into ruby dust near the end of the casting of simulacrum. i give it to the caster, they sprinkle it over the snow and boom there is another one of our beloved evoker wizard. the simulacrum only goes back to being snow when it dies (and the simulacrum description says it reverts to a pile of snow when it dies, not a pile of snow and ruby dust), so if i drop concentration on creation then because the simulacrum is alive now it would not effect it, right?
It wouldn’t work. In the description of the creation spell it says:
Using any object created by this spell as another spell’s Material component causes the other spell to fail.
Fabricate could still help I think. I have no idea how rubies are mined, but i assume the raw ruby is in rock or something, and they are mined out and refined to look like valuable ruby. So if you came across a ruby vein or whatever it is you could cast fabricate there turning a less valuable thing into the refined ruby worth 1500gp which you can then turn into dust, or maybe straight from rock to dust. So like make some dwarf friends and whistle while you cast. Basically I think you could shave costs as the miners need to sell the ruby to dude who refines it and make a profit, the jeweler sells it at a profit, if you can by pass a step and basically buy it wholesale or less.
It should be possible to turn an uncut ruby into cut or powdered ruby, but it won't help you a lot:
I wouldn't allow shatter to work for powder. Fabricate would be perfect for this. Also, while in the real world, a cut "1,500 gp" ruby would probably be less mass than "1,500 gp" of ruby powder, in the D&D economy, I would treat them as interchangeable.
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i was thinking that because i fabricated it then it is no longer something made by creation, right? it is now something made by fabricate
You can always ask your DM, but I'd say no.
Fabricate is essentially instant crafting; it turns raw materials into finished goods. The result is still made up of the original materials, however.
The vast majority of players once they get to where they can cast simulacrum are not worrying about what things cost any more.