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Are Epic Boons only available to players that take one class to 19 or could a multiclass character attain them without a DM giving it to them?
There has been some debate about this. In my case, I agree with the following interpretation:
The threads I remember about this topic:
- Epic Boon Eligibility confusion (the previous quote is from here)
- 2024 Epic Boons
- A question regarding the Epic Boon Feats
The first part. You can only gain an Epic Boon at 19th level from a single class. There is nothing in the Multiclass section that pertains to feats. Even the section that talks about adding class levels together (aka Total Character Levels) neither explicitly nor implicitly mention those rules apply to Epic Boons or even regular Feats for that matter.
The underlined part is correct, and is actually why you can take them while multiclassing. You seem to be implicitly comparing it spellcasting, which does have rules in the multiclassing section; namely that you prepare spells for each class as if you were simply the levels of each sinlge class you have separately, while spell slots gained are according to the table and levels in each class (plus some math, depending on class).
The fact that the multiclassing rules don't say anything about feats simply means that you go off of what is written for the prerequisite of the feat. And what is written is that in order to take an Epic Boon, you need to be "level 19+". Not "19+ of a single class". In other words, if they didn't want you to take epic boons as a multiclass, they would have put rules in place to stop it (presumably in the multiclassing section).
That's incorrect.
Here is what the text actually says:
Example prerequisite text:
I don't see where the issue is tbh. It will only come up at the really late stage of character progression and at that level getting a epic boon (or even two due to multiclassing) won't unbalance the game in any noticeable way, every character should be plenty strong any way (especially counting the magic items one should be expected to have at that point).
The rules already suggest giving out epic boons instead of levels if you play past level 20 so I would see it being unreasonable to limit it to only single class characters at that point. And if you don't do it at level 21+ I don't see much reason to do it at level 19-20 either, but then again I don think you have to allow it either.
That's categorically incorrect. There is nothing in Multiclassing, which is the only place Total Character Level is mentioned, that implies that Epic Boons are included. The rules for TLC is specified in the section. The fact that it does NOT say it doesn't apply to Epic Boons is not a valid argument. I have my own opinion on regular Feats in the same way, but that is a discussion I'll reserve until such a thread comes up.
To gain two Epic Boons by multiclassing means that the highest level you can be in any class is 16, which means you’re giving up access to level 9 spells.
I think you might have misunderstood what I said. A DM deciding not to give epic boons to his level 20+ characters is an entirely acceptable choice. But if you do decide to give epic boons to the level 20+ characters then I think it would be unreasonable to only allow the single class characters to get them but not allow the multiclass characters to do so.
Well the good news is 20the level is a hard rule. There is no 21, 22, 23rd etc in this game outside a HB. Once you hit 20th, the the only thing that happens from there is you can another Feat or Epic Boon for every 30k XP you qualify for. So Epic Boon at 19the level. None at 20. Your second at 20+30k XP. Another a 20+60k XP.
Epic Boons aren't acquired from multiclassing's Total Character Levels: only single class unless you decide to play 19 one class and just 1 level in another.
There is also nothing in the rules that say that Boons are inclusive with Total Character levels, that is something you homebrewed.
That's a 2014 rule. This was removed in 2024. It's now a feat with the only requirement that the character be level 19+.
The fact that DnDBeyond let's you pick them when multiclassing is not a bug or an oversight. DnDB correctly prevents you from getting 2 Action Surges at level 17 if you don't have 17 levels in Fighter, for example. DnDB's character sheets have many bugs and issues, but multiclassing is not something that causes them.
It would be an understandable interpretation. Wrong, but understandable.
All ASIs have the same text: "You gain the Ability Score Improvement feat (see chapter 5) or another feat of your choice for which you qualify."
Qualify, here, means "you meet the prerequisites". Most epic boon feats have only one prerequisite: level 19+. Thus, you can take an epic boon feat with an ASI if you're high enough level to do so, because it is "another feat ... for which you qualify"
But then why is level 19 say you can get a Boon feat vice just a feat? The wording at level 19 should be the same if you can get any feat. In the beginning texts usually in the 4th level description it lists the levels you can get a feat, but none list Level 19.
Looking at it from the class descriptions, you can not get a Boon feat at level 4 and you can't get a standard feat at level 19.
I think people are only interpreting 1/2 the verbiage because it is what they want to use to their personal benefit. They are ignoring what is said and even what is not said.
Many times people write the rule just does what it says. And while all classes say you can get a feat at X level, no level says you can get a Boon feat except when explained on the 19th level.
It's a reminder that you're allowed and expected to take an epic boon feat. It's no different from 'ability score improvement' not actually requiring you to take the ability score improvement feat.
Yep! You can also take a Fighting Style if you already have the Fighting Style feature, or even an Origin Feat.
You can take ANY feat your character qualifies for, including Epic Boon Feats.
I think the last few comments has highlighted the important bit here: The different categories of feats are just names and a way of organizing, but don't actually have much in the way of mechanical meaning. That comes from the prerequisites to take them (which are standardized: General Feat = level 4+ required, Fighting Style Feat = Fighting Style Feature Required, Epic Boon = Level 19+ required). The Origin Feats are the only ones that are different and only insofar as the rules tell you that backgrounds contain an Origin Feat that you get. In the actual backgrounds themselves, however, they aren't even listed as Origin Feats. The reason is likely simply to make Custom Backgrounds easier to make within the rules.
There are effects, such as warlock lessons of the first ones, that are limited to origin feats.
Epic boons say 19th level, but they don't say 19th level in one class. Someone who is fighter-11/rogue-7 at level 18, becomes fighter-11/rogue-8 at 19, and fighter-12/rogue-8 at 20, can take an epic boon at both levels.