While preparing an encounter with obstacles (statues, pillars...), I noticed a difference between the 2014 and 2024 DMG in the examples used to explain how Cover works:
2014:
2024:
So I'm wondering what the right choice is now, if any. If you apply the 2024 example to the 2014 one, the creature would have Total Cover instead of Three-Quarters Cover, right? The single green line in the 2014 example touches the obstruction the same way the two red lines do in the 2024 example.
What's your opinion or how are you doing it? Should the DM just choose and stick to one of the two versions when playing on a grid?
The single green line in the 2014 example touches the obstruction the same way the two red lines do in the 2024 example.
The 2024 version measures from the outside square corner, rather than the center. They probably changed the example to avoid the ambiguity of the single green line.
The single green line in the 2014 example touches the obstruction the same way the two red lines do in the 2024 example.
I don't think it touches it in 2014 example, hence why its green. It's very close to the corner but not enought to block it.
If three or four of those lines are blocked but the attack or effect can still reach the target (such as when the target is behind an arrow slit), the target has Three-Quarters Cover. This would be true in both examples that uses a different corner to determine cover.
The single green line in the 2014 example touches the obstruction the same way the two red lines do in the 2024 example.
The 2024 version measures from the outside square corner, rather than the center. They probably changed the example to avoid the ambiguity of the single green line.
Yeah, I prefer the new example. Even when it's making me question things :D
Yeah it looks like they just made an error in the 2014 graphic and corrected it in the 2024 book.
When the rule says "pick a corner" it could be any corner. I think the idea is that you could test them all. In practice, you eyeball it and then "pick" the corner that appears to have the best view of the target and you draw the lines from there to determine the degree of cover.
While preparing an encounter with obstacles (statues, pillars...), I noticed a difference between the 2014 and 2024 DMG in the examples used to explain how Cover works:
Actually, now that you mention it, the 2014 diagram doesn't match up with the rules on Line of Sight, but the 2024 diagram does.
While preparing an encounter with obstacles (statues, pillars...), I noticed a difference between the 2014 and 2024 DMG in the examples used to explain how Cover works:
Actually, now that you mention it, the 2014 diagram doesn't match up with the rules on Line of Sight, but the 2024 diagram does.
Have we been living deceived for 10 years, victims of a very successful Charisma (Deception) check?
The Cover rules are essentially the same following the core rules revision, albeit minor rewording.
So is Line of Sight.
While i don't discount diagram redesign as giving 4 red lines, the way the 2014 DMG chose to display it had 1 green line to prove their point, which if in error was never errata.
TarodNet the encounter you prepare with statue and pillar obstacles will be up to you to determine what level of Cover it grant if any, based on size, and wether they completely fill their spaces or don't fill up to corner etc...
TarodNet the encounter you prepare with statue and pillar obstacles will be up to you to determine what level of Cover it grant if any, based on size, and wether they completely fill their spaces or don't fill up to corner etc...
While preparing an encounter with obstacles (statues, pillars...), I noticed a difference between the 2014 and 2024 DMG in the examples used to explain how Cover works:
2014:
2024:
So I'm wondering what the right choice is now, if any. If you apply the 2024 example to the 2014 one, the creature would have Total Cover instead of Three-Quarters Cover, right? The single green line in the 2014 example touches the obstruction the same way the two red lines do in the 2024 example.
What's your opinion or how are you doing it? Should the DM just choose and stick to one of the two versions when playing on a grid?
Stick to the version of the rules you are using. If you are playing 2024, then use 2024 so your players know what to expect.
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The 2024 version measures from the outside square corner, rather than the center. They probably changed the example to avoid the ambiguity of the single green line.
The 2024 example seems to correspond more accurately to the actual definition of cover, so I'd go with that one.
I don't think it touches it in 2014 example, hence why its green. It's very close to the corner but not enought to block it.
If three or four of those lines are blocked but the attack or effect can still reach the target (such as when the target is behind an arrow slit), the target has Three-Quarters Cover. This would be true in both examples that uses a different corner to determine cover.
Yeah, I prefer the new example. Even when it's making me question things :D
Now that you mention it, yeah, it could be. That would solve my personal nightmare! :)
I believe they changed the corner by which the lines are drawn from to make the example even less confusing because of that.
Plaguescarred If I recreate the examples, it looks like both the green and red lines touch/affect the corner the same way in both cases :(
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Yeah it looks like they just made an error in the 2014 graphic and corrected it in the 2024 book.
When the rule says "pick a corner" it could be any corner. I think the idea is that you could test them all. In practice, you eyeball it and then "pick" the corner that appears to have the best view of the target and you draw the lines from there to determine the degree of cover.
Actually, now that you mention it, the 2014 diagram doesn't match up with the rules on Line of Sight, but the 2024 diagram does.
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My houserulings.
Have we been living deceived for 10 years, victims of a very successful Charisma (Deception) check?
The Cover rules are essentially the same following the core rules revision, albeit minor rewording.
So is Line of Sight.
While i don't discount diagram redesign as giving 4 red lines, the way the 2014 DMG chose to display it had 1 green line to prove their point, which if in error was never errata.
TarodNet the encounter you prepare with statue and pillar obstacles will be up to you to determine what level of Cover it grant if any, based on size, and wether they completely fill their spaces or don't fill up to corner etc...
Totally agree on this, Plague!