Apparently, they originally planned for Doomspace to be a destroyed Athasspace because all the planets originally had the names of the planets in said Crystal Sphere, even if they changed their minds about destroying the Dark Sun setting they still cheapened it by putting the previously unique creatures from the setting in Spelljammer.
Athas has been done dirty in 5e. maybe we get an offical printing for 5f?
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Oh. thats sad. I never have played in either but I love the idea of Athas and the fact that they turned it into a slowing dying wildspace system is angryafying.
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It's best when WOTC forgets your favorite setting. The Eye of Sauron falling on it, never ends well.
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Any time an unfathomably powerful entity sweeps in and offers godlike rewards in return for just a few teensy favors, it’s a scam. Unless it’s me. I’d never lie to you, reader dearest.
That franchise wasn't designed to be child-friendly or to allow space for new player options about classes and PC species, but if WotC needs to sell some original IP then Dark Sun is too valious to allow the fall into the oblivion.
My suggestion to fix this a new hyrborean-punk setting is created working as a spin-off. Then the Athasian tablelands and the metaplot of the novels keeping existing but they are in "a far place".
If Baldurs Gate 3 has showed to be a not child-friendly videogame, then Dark Sun could return as a videogame, maybe like a survival and totally independient about the main metaplot.
How would be if Dark Sun and Jackandor were in the same wildspace/crystal sphere, or both next?
Maybe the Athasian Tablelands, the region of Tyr keep existing as a demiplane, working as a cosmic firewall to stop planar intrusions from other strange planes. Who would want to save the region of Tyr as a demiplane? For example it could be perfect to hide things for divine beings as Vecna.
Other option could be to publish for April's Fool some crazy idea, for example a mash-up setting mixing Dragonlance and Dark Sun (do you remember the cover of "the wild elves" sourcebook?), with sales of LEGO miniatures. Later this setting could be seriously unlocked in DMGuild.
I mean they didn't need to transfer Ssurans and Braxats into Spelljammer. The least they could've done was bring back old creatures from Spelljammer like the Gossamers, Gullions, Delphinids or Lhee.
I am happy that WOTC is not trying to revamp dark sun. I prefer they concentrate on anything else but Dark Sun. It was no fun a few decades a go, so why would it be fun now.
I don't know how to explain to you that other people are allowed to have opinions that differ from yours, and I'm not sure why I should have to.
Saying "I am happy they're not doing it because I didn't find it fun and I prefer they do something else" isn't denying anyone any right to have any opinion, it's simply stating one's own opinion. To keep things on topic, from having read some of Dark Sun, I think I wouldn't mind if they never touched it again, either. Hints of it here and there in Planescape work just fine for me.
Except that's not what he said. What he said was, "It was no fun a few decades a go, so why would it be fun now."
The subject in that sentence was not "I", it was "It". If he had said, "I didn't find it fun decades ago, so why would I find it fun now?", I would not have had a problem with that. That would have been a perfectly valid assertion, because, as you rightly noted, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But that's not what he said. He said IT was not fun. He predicated the lack of fun not on his own opinion, but onto the game itself. He made a claim that his failure to find enjoyment in that game was the fault of the game itself and not a simple matter of his own preferences. And by doing so, he was denying everyone else the right to their own opinions on the game which, as you just noted, is entirely improper.
I don't know how to explain to you that other people are allowed to have opinions that differ from yours, and I'm not sure why I should have to.
Good thing is you don't have to. They were just expressing their opinion about the setting and didn't mention anything about anyone elses.
My opinion on Dark Sun is WotC should only bring it back if they have the guts to overhaul it despite what the setting purists might cry about. The idea of a post-apocalyptic setting where life is hard, magic pollutes, and survival is a fundamental challenge is interesting. However, the way the setting attempts to present certain forms of oppression as "justified in the name of survival" needs to get in the sea.
Honestly, Dark Sun as a "everything sucks, everyone sucks, you're not gonna change anything but you're gonna damn well try" hopepunk setting appeals to me. Dark Sun as a "everything sucks, so that gives you an excuse to keep slaves" does not.
Except that's not what he said. What he said was, "It was no fun a few decades a go, so why would it be fun now."
The subject in that sentence was not "I", it was "It". If he had said, "I didn't find it fun decades ago, so why would I find it fun now?", I would not have had a problem with that. That would have been a perfectly valid assertion, because, as you rightly noted, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But that's not what he said. He said IT was not fun. He predicated the lack of fun not on his own opinion, but onto the game itself. He made a claim that his failure to find enjoyment in that game was the fault of the game itself and not a simple matter of his own preferences. And by doing so, he was denying everyone else the right to their own opinions on the game which, as you just noted, is entirely improper.
I didn't read it as trying to state an objective fact, but rather an entirely subjective personal opinion. "I didn't like it. It wasn't any fun" seems connected and personal to me, rather than somehow trying to be independent and objective fact.
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Except that's not what he said. What he said was, "It was no fun a few decades a go, so why would it be fun now."
The subject in that sentence was not "I", it was "It". If he had said, "I didn't find it fun decades ago, so why would I find it fun now?", I would not have had a problem with that. That would have been a perfectly valid assertion, because, as you rightly noted, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But that's not what he said. He said IT was not fun. He predicated the lack of fun not on his own opinion, but onto the game itself. He made a claim that his failure to find enjoyment in that game was the fault of the game itself and not a simple matter of his own preferences. And by doing so, he was denying everyone else the right to their own opinions on the game which, as you just noted, is entirely improper.
There was an implicit subject, that's a funny quirk of english. If you start with a self-referential statement and then following with an open statement, that structure implies self-referential continuity. You can't snip each sentence out of context, English grammar doesn't really work that way—it's called heuristic grammar and can trip people up, especially ESL folks.
I don't know how to explain to you that other people are allowed to have opinions that differ from yours, and I'm not sure why I should have to.
You appear to imply that if my opinion is different from yours that is not allowed. It reads very hypocritical. You are allowed to like something but I am not allowed to say otherwise?
We could say Dark Sun is hyrborea-punk nobledark with a touch of hopepunk.
If it returns it will be to can sell other type of products, mainly videogames. I imagine some thing like the survival "Conan Exiles".
And the web of Arthas.org has published a gazetteer of a new region that has been unlocked after the update patch "Death of Borys". There aren't defilers there, and the presevers wizards who are there work for the monarch. They haven't sorcerer-kings but trade-lords. The web says it is the first one of new regions to be explored.
My opinion on Dark Sun is WotC should only bring it back if they have the guts to overhaul it despite what the setting purists might cry about. The idea of a post-apocalyptic setting where life is hard, magic pollutes, and survival is a fundamental challenge is interesting. However, the way the setting attempts to present certain forms of oppression as "justified in the name of survival" needs to get in the sea.
Honestly, Dark Sun as a "everything sucks, everyone sucks, you're not gonna change anything but you're gonna damn well try" hopepunk setting appeals to me. Dark Sun as a "everything sucks, so that gives you an excuse to keep slaves" does not.
100% agreed on this.
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Apparently, they originally planned for Doomspace to be a destroyed Athasspace because all the planets originally had the names of the planets in said Crystal Sphere, even if they changed their minds about destroying the Dark Sun setting they still cheapened it by putting the previously unique creatures from the setting in Spelljammer.
Doomspace is Athasspace
Wait, Doomspace is Dark Sun!?
I've never played Dark Sun, but I've heard of it, and I love Doomspace!!! I'll have to check this out!
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sort of, Ssurrans and Braxats are from Dark Sun.
Athas has been done dirty in 5e. maybe we get an offical printing for 5f?
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Oh. thats sad. I never have played in either but I love the idea of Athas and the fact that they turned it into a slowing dying wildspace system is angryafying.
Can I have your liver for culinary...ahh, scientific reasons?
It's best when WOTC forgets your favorite setting. The Eye of Sauron falling on it, never ends well.
Any time an unfathomably powerful entity sweeps in and offers godlike rewards in return for just a few teensy favors, it’s a scam. Unless it’s me. I’d never lie to you, reader dearest.
Tasha
True. Also, why are you quoting Tasha?
Can I have your liver for culinary...ahh, scientific reasons?
because the quote amused me as a warlock fan
Any time an unfathomably powerful entity sweeps in and offers godlike rewards in return for just a few teensy favors, it’s a scam. Unless it’s me. I’d never lie to you, reader dearest.
Tasha
That franchise wasn't designed to be child-friendly or to allow space for new player options about classes and PC species, but if WotC needs to sell some original IP then Dark Sun is too valious to allow the fall into the oblivion.
My suggestion to fix this a new hyrborean-punk setting is created working as a spin-off. Then the Athasian tablelands and the metaplot of the novels keeping existing but they are in "a far place".
If Baldurs Gate 3 has showed to be a not child-friendly videogame, then Dark Sun could return as a videogame, maybe like a survival and totally independient about the main metaplot.
How would be if Dark Sun and Jackandor were in the same wildspace/crystal sphere, or both next?
Maybe the Athasian Tablelands, the region of Tyr keep existing as a demiplane, working as a cosmic firewall to stop planar intrusions from other strange planes. Who would want to save the region of Tyr as a demiplane? For example it could be perfect to hide things for divine beings as Vecna.
Other option could be to publish for April's Fool some crazy idea, for example a mash-up setting mixing Dragonlance and Dark Sun (do you remember the cover of "the wild elves" sourcebook?), with sales of LEGO miniatures. Later this setting could be seriously unlocked in DMGuild.
I mean they didn't need to transfer Ssurans and Braxats into Spelljammer. The least they could've done was bring back old creatures from Spelljammer like the Gossamers, Gullions, Delphinids or Lhee.
I am happy that WOTC is not trying to revamp dark sun. I prefer they concentrate on anything else but Dark Sun. It was no fun a few decades a go, so why would it be fun now.
I don't know how to explain to you that other people are allowed to have opinions that differ from yours, and I'm not sure why I should have to.
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Saying "I am happy they're not doing it because I didn't find it fun and I prefer they do something else" isn't denying anyone any right to have any opinion, it's simply stating one's own opinion. To keep things on topic, from having read some of Dark Sun, I think I wouldn't mind if they never touched it again, either. Hints of it here and there in Planescape work just fine for me.
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Except that's not what he said. What he said was, "It was no fun a few decades a go, so why would it be fun now."
The subject in that sentence was not "I", it was "It". If he had said, "I didn't find it fun decades ago, so why would I find it fun now?", I would not have had a problem with that. That would have been a perfectly valid assertion, because, as you rightly noted, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But that's not what he said. He said IT was not fun. He predicated the lack of fun not on his own opinion, but onto the game itself. He made a claim that his failure to find enjoyment in that game was the fault of the game itself and not a simple matter of his own preferences. And by doing so, he was denying everyone else the right to their own opinions on the game which, as you just noted, is entirely improper.
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Viktor Gavriil. White dragonborn grave cleric. Lvl 20.
Ikram Sahir ibn-Malik al-Sayyid Ra'ad. Brass dragonborn draconic sorcerer Lvl 9. Fire elemental devil.
Wrangler of cats.
Good thing is you don't have to. They were just expressing their opinion about the setting and didn't mention anything about anyone elses.
My opinion on Dark Sun is WotC should only bring it back if they have the guts to overhaul it despite what the setting purists might cry about. The idea of a post-apocalyptic setting where life is hard, magic pollutes, and survival is a fundamental challenge is interesting. However, the way the setting attempts to present certain forms of oppression as "justified in the name of survival" needs to get in the sea.
Honestly, Dark Sun as a "everything sucks, everyone sucks, you're not gonna change anything but you're gonna damn well try" hopepunk setting appeals to me. Dark Sun as a "everything sucks, so that gives you an excuse to keep slaves" does not.
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I didn't read it as trying to state an objective fact, but rather an entirely subjective personal opinion. "I didn't like it. It wasn't any fun" seems connected and personal to me, rather than somehow trying to be independent and objective fact.
Canto alla vita
alla sua bellezza
ad ogni sua ferita
ogni sua carezza!
I sing to life and to its tragic beauty
To pain and to strife, but all that dances through me
The rise and the fall, I've lived through it all!
There was an implicit subject, that's a funny quirk of english. If you start with a self-referential statement and then following with an open statement, that structure implies self-referential continuity. You can't snip each sentence out of context, English grammar doesn't really work that way—it's called heuristic grammar and can trip people up, especially ESL folks.
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You appear to imply that if my opinion is different from yours that is not allowed. It reads very hypocritical. You are allowed to like something but I am not allowed to say otherwise?
We could say Dark Sun is hyrborea-punk nobledark with a touch of hopepunk.
If it returns it will be to can sell other type of products, mainly videogames. I imagine some thing like the survival "Conan Exiles".
And the web of Arthas.org has published a gazetteer of a new region that has been unlocked after the update patch "Death of Borys". There aren't defilers there, and the presevers wizards who are there work for the monarch. They haven't sorcerer-kings but trade-lords. The web says it is the first one of new regions to be explored.
100% agreed on this.
Canto alla vita
alla sua bellezza
ad ogni sua ferita
ogni sua carezza!
I sing to life and to its tragic beauty
To pain and to strife, but all that dances through me
The rise and the fall, I've lived through it all!