The line being described between update and errata here seems rather sus.

I don't mind that this new book is coming out and being displayed in addition to the previous versions rather than replacing them but if that's going to be the way dndbeyond is going to do things now can I please get back my wayfinder's guide warforged and my -2 strength kobold? I see no functional difference between those changes that were taken away from me when new content came out and these changes that are considered separate for reasons comprehensible as if a Great Old One passed them along. 

I'm definitely in the camp of it being a cash grab if there aren't a bunch of a new monsters being released. People who've already spent 50+ dollars on Vollo's and Mordenkainen's are getting screwed over real hard here. My group has spent hundreds on this site and the books and now we're being asked for more money just to get race updates and some minor monster updates. I love DND Beyond, but this is definitely leaving me pretty salty. We're definitely not thrilled.

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I'm definitely in the camp of it being a cash grab if there aren't a bunch of a new monsters being released. People who've already spent 50+ dollars on Vollo's and Mordenkainen's are getting screwed over real hard here. My group has spent hundreds on this site and the books and now we're being asked for more money just to get race updates and some minor monster updates. I love DND Beyond, but this is definitely leaving me pretty salty. We're definitely not thrilled.

 This is not a DnD Beyond issue. This is WotC and Jeremy Crawford looking for the cash grab. D&D Beyond can only put out what Woke WotC gives them. The material WotC has put out over the last 18+ months has been garbage, but D&D Beyond has nothing to do with any of that. They simply add what is given to them, nothing more, nothing less.

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I think being upset about the new decisions is okay, but I feel like some of these comments should be written on WoTC's forums and not here. 

WotC is the company that decided to make a big errata and sell it as a new book, they also decided to stop selling MToF and VGtM. Right now, DDB is just doing what they're told to do (as far as I know). They can't give us the book for free and they can't sell something WotC doesn't want to print anymore. 

If there's something I don't know about the situation, I'd be glad to be corrected. 

 

I think you're right about them being told to sell these a certain way, but at the same time, the complaints that are being voiced are direct complaints related to dndbeyond's sales tactics let's call them. Whether dndbeyond is being told to do it or not, it is still how they're doing it on their website.

I think it would be on dndbeyond to go to their parent company as a result of these complaints. Whether that does anything or not is irrelevant as well, but as users of the website dndbeyond, I think them voicing their complaints and concerns to the forums on that site is the most direct way to do it.

 WotC is not their parent company. Wizards of the Coast has no ownership of DnDBeyond, which is owned by Fandom. Fandom and DnDBeyond license 5e material for use on their site. They are a separate company with no say in this matter. 

The person you're responding to had it right: Be as pissed as you want, but take that to Wizards. Beyond is just trying to figure out how to technically implement what they've been given no choice in doing by another company they license material from in order to operate.

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I think being upset about the new decisions is okay, but I feel like some of these comments should be written on WoTC's forums and not here. 

WotC is the company that decided to make a big errata and sell it as a new book, they also decided to stop selling MToF and VGtM. Right now, DDB is just doing what they're told to do (as far as I know). They can't give us the book for free and they can't sell something WotC doesn't want to print anymore. 

If there's something I don't know about the situation, I'd be glad to be corrected. 

 

I think you're right about them being told to sell these a certain way, but at the same time, the complaints that are being voiced are direct complaints related to dndbeyond's sales tactics let's call them. Whether dndbeyond is being told to do it or not, it is still how they're doing it on their website.

I think it would be on dndbeyond to go to their parent company as a result of these complaints. Whether that does anything or not is irrelevant as well, but as users of the website dndbeyond, I think them voicing their complaints and concerns to the forums on that site is the most direct way to do it.

 WotC is not their parent company. Wizards of the Coast has no ownership of DnDBeyond, which is owned by Fandom. Fandom and DnDBeyond license 5e material for use on their site. They are a separate company with no say in this matter. 

The person you're responding to had it right: Be as pissed as you want, but take that to Wizards. Beyond is just trying to figure out how to technically implement what they've been given no choice in doing by another company they license material from in order to operate.

 Yeah, DnDB is basically left holding the bag by WoTC. Already as a digital platform, they had to look at how the paper version was introduced months before the digital, saw that what basically is a big update to existing material would have to be pushed out, and the old material would still have to be made available contradicting years of the policy of overwriting old material when it was updated. Often leading to weeks or months of complaining by their customers who wanted to have access to the old material as well. They can't win, in the short term, in a situation like this, they can only limit the damage.

this is helpful thank you

That's a fair point. I should direct my ire to the appropriate place.

I would agree 100% except that people will still have access to the original. Still it would be nice

As a DM I am pretty much forced to use this, disappointed in WotC as they said they would not do this specifically!

Here's hoping the interface and changes they have made to the fundamentals of their game don't make it too hard for dndbeyond to add it to their site and app.

Will Volo's Guide and Mordenkainen's Tome be unavailable for purchase once Monster of the Multiverse is released? Confirmation would be nice. I want to have the lore information from those two books and I need to know if I should rush to buy them now or if I can buy them later.

Yes. These books will be available. The purpose of this book is to act as a preview of the direction D&D plans on heading in for their 2024 next edition. Right now WotC is using the old Italian cook's method of revamping. Throw it at the wall and see if it sticks. Are players interested in separating race and culture? (not a problem in my book). Can WotC quit developing cultures all together and just give us stats? (That's a problem for me.) Do players want backgrounds that give them feats? Expect some wild and weird behavior from WotC over the next few months as they try and figure out what changes people are willing to pay for, and which they're not. Do we want flying races? Bunnies? Combat free adventures? Classic settings? Outer space? Are we willing to replace the traditional pub with a coffee shop? Should the next "home" world for D&D stay Forgotten realms or move towards Alice in Wonderland, or Hogwarts, or steampunk, or anime, or return to something like Greyhawk or Krynn. 

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Yes. These books will be available. The purpose of this book is to act as a preview of the direction D&D plans on heading in for their 2024 next edition. Right now WotC is using the old Italian cook's method of revamping. Throw it at the wall and see if it sticks. Are players interested in separating race and culture? (not a problem in my book). Can WotC quit developing cultures all together and just give us stats? (That's a problem for me.) Do players want backgrounds that give them feats? Expect some wild and weird behavior from WotC over the next few months as they try and figure out what changes people are willing to pay for, and which they're not. Do we want flying races? Bunnies? Combat free adventures? Classic settings? Outer space? Are we willing to replace the traditional pub with a coffee shop? Should the next "home" world for D&D stay Forgotten realms or move towards Alice in Wonderland, or Hogwarts, or steampunk, or anime, or return to something like Greyhawk or Krynn. 

 Are you reading my mind?

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Hello fellow DnD beyonders, this has probably been answered elsewhere but i can't use the search tool within forums to find this info about the new monsters of the multiverse book.

As i am a fan of dnd since 2nd edition, i am however not a fan of the new woke dnd concept.

That being said, IF i buy the new book, will we have the option to select which version of the races individually of it will be either all updated races or none?

It is an easy thing to do that with physical book but with the app it will be harder to individually filter what i give access to my players.

 

 

 

 Yes you can. It’s stated in the article. Also “woke”? What’s “woke” about this? It’s mechanical changes with non universe specific lore. 

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Hello fellow DnD beyonders, this has probably been answered elsewhere but i can't use the search tool within forums to find this info about the new monsters of the multiverse book.

As i am a fan of dnd since 2nd edition, i am however not a fan of the new woke dnd concept.

That being said, IF i buy the new book, will we have the option to select which version of the races individually of it will be either all updated races or none?

It is an easy thing to do that with physical book but with the app it will be harder to individually filter what i give access to my players.

 Yes you can. It’s stated in the article. Also “woke”? What’s “woke” about this? It’s mechanical changes with non universe specific lore. 

The "woke"-ness I assume he's referring to is probably attributed to the exchange of races getting boosts to specific modifiers for +2 and +1, or +1 to 3, (which he alluded to in his post) as well as including the preferred pronouns and removal of set alignments within official D&D material, which is a mechanical change attributed to the way the real world is evolving.

That is the only example that I could find that could be called "woke"

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IF i buy the new book, will we have the option to select which version of the races individually of it will be either all updated races or none?

The FAQ they put out clarifies that if you already have the older Volo's Guide etc. versions of a race or monster, then you'll still have those after buying the new book, but it's unclear yet how that will be presented in the UI. We don't know for example if the updated races will appear as variants, or if the old races will be renamed.

I would probably wager on the latter, as this is how DDB used to handle Unearthed Arcana content, for example the UA version of summon undead was listed as "summon undead (UA)". Of course it's also potentially the worst option, as it means that you'll see double the races and monsters so I'm hoping I'm wrong and they'll display it some other way.

My personal preference would be for it to appear like older versions of homebrew, i.e- you can see that there have been previous version of the race/monster and view them if you want to, but otherwise you're taken to the latest version when you search.

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IF i buy the new book, will we have the option to select which version of the races individually of it will be either all updated races or none?

The FAQ they put out clarifies that if you already have the older Volo's Guide etc. versions of a race or monster, then you'll still have those after buying the new book, but it's unclear yet how that will be presented in the UI. We don't know for example if the updated races will appear as variants, or if the old races will be renamed.

I would probably wager on the latter, as this is how DDB used to handle Unearthed Arcana content, for example the UA version of summon undead was listed as "summon undead (UA)". Of course it's also potentially the worst option, as it means that you'll see double the races and monsters so I'm hoping I'm wrong and they'll display it some other way.

My personal preference would be for it to appear like older versions of homebrew, i.e- you can see that there have been previous version of the race/monster and view them if you want to, but otherwise you're taken to the latest version when you search.

They may have a toggle set for Pre-2022 Update Races, similar to Eberon and Critical Role content, etc.

What i referred to was the new way dnd is headed by modifying content because ppl get offended that a drow elf is genetically more agile than let's say a bugbear, or that a lvl 1 giant is inherently stronger than a lvl 1 gnome. I get the genetic vs ambitions choices and i don't mind a stone giant wizard because it can live the dream, but let's not forget that the stats rolled and ability score increases forge those characters. 

Anyway i didn't want to start a whole discussion about the social concept we have in real society and am sorry if i offended anyone, that was not the goal. I was looking for an answer plain and simple

I honestly think it’s really unfair to make the previous owners of Volo’s and Tome of Foes buy Multiverse just to get the updates. If these are the new and updated versions of these races forever they should just be updated on the website. I shouldn’t have to buy an update to something I own. That’s like a game company charging you for the rebalance patch they’re applying to their own game.

Edit: the amount of comments saying DDB isn’t a WotC company that were made before that announcement seem to lack any teeth now. Since that announcement has been made what do you say about us voicing our displeasure in these comments? They seem to fit in to the right place now.

So, why did it take so long to add the information about VGtM and MToF becoming unavailable? It seems like Beyond had the information for over a month before adding it to the website at all.

Also, I'm amused by the decision to reference MToF in the introduction, considering. "Golly," says the hypothetical newbie on May 18, "Mordenkainen wrote another book too? I want both of them! I'll have a complete Mordenkainen collection!"