I want to create a character that collects...talents...and bard, specifically eloquence is where i have landed at the moment.
BACKGROUND
Taking inspiration from a number of fictional characters: Sylar (Heroes), Hoid (Brandon Sandersons - Cosmere), Wayne (also from Cosmere) and even maybe Professor Slughorn (Harry Potter), or the Doctor (Doctor who). Thes last two look to the collecting of favours from other people aspect of this character. He is sly, slippery, clever and hated or loved depending on which side of him you are caught facing.
The eloquence bards Silver tongue ability is probably core to this idea, able to deceive, or persuade others to do, or give him what he needs/wants. What i imagine is that long after the campaign (i imagine him as somewhat immortal from an ageing perspective) he will have gone well beyond a single class of level 20 for what purpose i am not yet sure. For now as the campaign goes on i want to hint/suggest that the abilities he has have been learnt, stolen, or given over an extended period and he is looking for that next thing he might need.
At first this screamed multiclass and with a decent enough base stats (17 / 15 / 15 / 14 /14 /10) that seems possible if not entirely sensible. With the aforementioned long term goal i pictured him as a single target neutralising legend, and had even run some ideas thru my head of a monk multiclass using unsettling words and stunning stike. Perhaps that is a goal for the character after the game is over. But maybe this is the humble beginnings?
To be frank i dont picture this character with 9th level bard spells so im not worried about losing them, and i think there are diminishing returns after 5th levels in bard (although there are some cool spells).
SETUP
I enter the story at level 8. The party contains an as yet unknown type of wizard (new player replacing my old wizard), a conquest paladin (front line) and life cleric (mid/front) and a barbarian/battlemaster grappler (front line) and i came to bard in this ideas infancy because in combat i wanted to play the control/buff/debuff role.
I am neither committed to bard, the subclass - eloquence, or to my role.
THOUGHTS
In my wild silly planning i have some 'interesting' level 20s planned out, they all showcase the characters long term plans but in speed run mode.
eg. Eloquence 12 + Fathomless/Genielock 2 + Divine Soul Sorcerer 1 + Order cleric 1 +War wizard 2 + Artificer 2 (dropping wizard or artificer for more warlock gives another asi which is potentially another 'talent' collected)
Bard 8 + Rogue 5 + Monk 5 + War Magic 2 (still get 4 asi, benefits of +2 shield, but bard starts to lose its juice).
What do you think?
Im thinking less is more even as i type this out. If we envisage this as levels 8-12 for now what do these levels look like? What might you suggest as ways i can flavour or build around this collector idea?
Note: we dont play that specifically to the idea of your a class. In particular my character is a collection of skills that may or may not resemble a classic bard. Hope that makes sense.
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I want to create a character that collects...talents...and bard, specifically eloquence is where i have landed at the moment.
BACKGROUND
Taking inspiration from a number of fictional characters: Sylar (Heroes), Hoid (Brandon Sandersons - Cosmere), Wayne (also from Cosmere) and even maybe Professor Slughorn (Harry Potter), or the Doctor (Doctor who). Thes last two look to the collecting of favours from other people aspect of this character. He is sly, slippery, clever and hated or loved depending on which side of him you are caught facing.
The eloquence bards Silver tongue ability is probably core to this idea, able to deceive, or persuade others to do, or give him what he needs/wants. What i imagine is that long after the campaign (i imagine him as somewhat immortal from an ageing perspective) he will have gone well beyond a single class of level 20 for what purpose i am not yet sure. For now as the campaign goes on i want to hint/suggest that the abilities he has have been learnt, stolen, or given over an extended period and he is looking for that next thing he might need.
At first this screamed multiclass and with a decent enough base stats (17 / 15 / 15 / 14 /14 /10) that seems possible if not entirely sensible. With the aforementioned long term goal i pictured him as a single target neutralising legend, and had even run some ideas thru my head of a monk multiclass using unsettling words and stunning stike. Perhaps that is a goal for the character after the game is over. But maybe this is the humble beginnings?
To be frank i dont picture this character with 9th level bard spells so im not worried about losing them, and i think there are diminishing returns after 5th levels in bard (although there are some cool spells).
SETUP
I enter the story at level 8. The party contains an as yet unknown type of wizard (new player replacing my old wizard), a conquest paladin (front line) and life cleric (mid/front) and a barbarian/battlemaster grappler (front line) and i came to bard in this ideas infancy because in combat i wanted to play the control/buff/debuff role.
I am neither committed to bard, the subclass - eloquence, or to my role.
THOUGHTS
In my wild silly planning i have some 'interesting' level 20s planned out, they all showcase the characters long term plans but in speed run mode.
eg. Eloquence 12 + Fathomless/Genielock 2 + Divine Soul Sorcerer 1 + Order cleric 1 +War wizard 2 + Artificer 2 (dropping wizard or artificer for more warlock gives another asi which is potentially another 'talent' collected)
Or
Bard- Fighter 10-4 / 12-2 + Monk 5 + Divine Soul 1 (still 4 asi)
Or could lean towards the martial
Bard 8 + Rogue 5 + Monk 5 + War Magic 2 (still get 4 asi, benefits of +2 shield, but bard starts to lose its juice).
What do you think?
Im thinking less is more even as i type this out. If we envisage this as levels 8-12 for now what do these levels look like? What might you suggest as ways i can flavour or build around this collector idea?
Note: we dont play that specifically to the idea of your a class. In particular my character is a collection of skills that may or may not resemble a classic bard. Hope that makes sense.