Focus on charisma and dex isn't too bad. There's some synergies with illusions and hiding. Farie fire can help self advantage if you don't mind the setup.
It's a fun concept but probably not for super difficult tables.
There are several subclasses that are synergistic with this concept.
Thief for a healer role
Archane trickster for a steath caster.
College of swords for a Frontliner
And more depending on what roles you want to play.
FWIW, adding a few levels in Bard to a Rogue would make a stronger Rogue because some of those early spells would be great for a Rogue to have when he needed to solo.
I think the best Bards are pure Bards, and Lore bards at that. But that is just my opinion.
But a big problem with multi-classing is you are a level or two behind all the other party members but you have a bigger array of base skills. Except for that, multi-classing is the bomb.
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I think a bard is easily just a spellcasting rogue - the 2 classes are very complementary - I'm not even sure you need to multiclass to create a bard that can play like a rogue. I play a 5th level College of Lore Bard who started as a support character (at level 3) but has evolved out of party necessity into more of a swashbuckler type. With the Jack of All Trades class feature at 2nd level you can easily become proficient in stealth and sleight of hand.
College of Eloquence has some good rougue-ish features (Silver tongue and Unsettling Words). And the spells complement rogue behavior too: like Disguise self, Distort Value, Mage Hand, Unseen Servant, Suggestion, Minor Illusion, etc.
"...at worst if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
I agree the classes are very similar. If a Bard can get proficiency with Thieves' Tools and learn Thieves' Cant, then they are a Rogue. They are slightly less stabby-stabby than a basic Rogue, but the bard gets all the spell casting, "which is nice." <said in my best Bill Murray Voice>
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So, I have no idea is this would work, but I'm thinking of using both the bard and rogue class together. What are your opinions?
Focus on charisma and dex isn't too bad. There's some synergies with illusions and hiding. Farie fire can help self advantage if you don't mind the setup.
It's a fun concept but probably not for super difficult tables.
There are several subclasses that are synergistic with this concept.
Thief for a healer role
Archane trickster for a steath caster.
College of swords for a Frontliner
And more depending on what roles you want to play.
FWIW, adding a few levels in Bard to a Rogue would make a stronger Rogue because some of those early spells would be great for a Rogue to have when he needed to solo.
I think the best Bards are pure Bards, and Lore bards at that. But that is just my opinion.
But a big problem with multi-classing is you are a level or two behind all the other party members but you have a bigger array of base skills. Except for that, multi-classing is the bomb.
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Swashbuckler rogue has a charisma component and swords bard has a very similar flavor to rogue. These could be combined pretty well.
I think a bard is easily just a spellcasting rogue - the 2 classes are very complementary - I'm not even sure you need to multiclass to create a bard that can play like a rogue. I play a 5th level College of Lore Bard who started as a support character (at level 3) but has evolved out of party necessity into more of a swashbuckler type. With the Jack of All Trades class feature at 2nd level you can easily become proficient in stealth and sleight of hand.
College of Eloquence has some good rougue-ish features (Silver tongue and Unsettling Words). And the spells complement rogue behavior too: like Disguise self, Distort Value, Mage Hand, Unseen Servant, Suggestion, Minor Illusion, etc.
"...at worst if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
I agree the classes are very similar. If a Bard can get proficiency with Thieves' Tools and learn Thieves' Cant, then they are a Rogue. They are slightly less stabby-stabby than a basic Rogue, but the bard gets all the spell casting, "which is nice." <said in my best Bill Murray Voice>
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