2) Moving fire relies on the fire already being present, so this aspect of using it relies on you using another ED or tag teaming with a party member.
Lanterns, torches, Campfires, alchemist fire. any spell that sets things on fire. you could literally bring the same campfire all day if you keep moving it at the same speed as a normal PC.
You can use your action to briefly control elemental forces within 30 feet of you, causing one of the following effects of your choice:
Create a harmless, instantaneous sensory effect related to air, earth, fire, or water such as a shower of sparks, a puff of wind, a spray of light mist, or a gentle rumbling of stone.
Instantaneously light or snuff out a candle, a torch, or a small campfire.
Chill or warm up to 1 pound of nonliving material for up to 1 hour.
Cause earth, fire, water, or mist that can fit within a 1-foot cube to shape itself into a crude form you designate for 1 minute.
”such as .. a spray of light mist”
this clearly isn’t meant to be a limited list
"Cause earth, fire, water or mist to shape itself into a crude form you designate for 1 minute"
You can shape 4 things, thats it. Earth (presumably loose earth or stone based on Mold Earth), Water (liquid water), Fire (self explanatory), or Mist (while this is clearly meant to be the "air" aspect, mist is another form of water as well). All of this is to say that ice is not included in that list for things that can be reshaped.
If we say that "water" also includes its solid form (ice), should we also include the liquid form of earth (molten lava)?
Again, if you take Shape Water as an example, it explicitly tells you that you can use its effect to freeze or unfreeze water. For elemental attunement, it states that you can chill or warm a material, but that is a separate effect from the reshaping effect, which does not state it allows you to change an objects form (from water to mist, water to ice, earth to lava, etc). The material must keep its original form and only change its geometric shape.
I think you may be right on water and ice being different. I remember JC saying something to that affect but couldn't find where.
Also, different bullets are distinctly different uses. You are absolutely correct on that.
However, your crude form should allow you to create solid water for one minute which is weird because it is exactly how ice would behave minus the heat absorption. As for going through the ice well.. you can shape the fire and focus the heat any way you want so as long as you create the fire it will help. This is why you have access to a hooded-lantern for setting up quick manipulation of the fire.
You can use your action to briefly control elemental forces within 30 feet of you, causing one of the following effects of your choice:
Create a harmless, instantaneous sensory effect related to air, earth, fire, or water such as a shower of sparks, a puff of wind, a spray of light mist, or a gentle rumbling of stone.
Instantaneously light or snuff out a candle, a torch, or a small campfire.
Chill or warm up to 1 pound of nonliving material for up to 1 hour.
Cause earth, fire, water, or mist that can fit within a 1-foot cube to shape itself into a crude form you designate for 1 minute.
”such as .. a spray of light mist”
this clearly isn’t meant to be a limited list
"Cause earth, fire, water or mist to shape itself into a crude form you designate for 1 minute"
You can shape 4 things, thats it. Earth (presumably loose earth or stone based on Mold Earth), Water (liquid water), Fire (self explanatory), or Mist (while this is clearly meant to be the "air" aspect, mist is another form of water as well). All of this is to say that ice is not included in that list for things that can be reshaped.
If we say that "water" also includes its solid form (ice), should we also include the liquid form of earth (molten lava)?
Again, if you take Shape Water as an example, it explicitly tells you that you can use its effect to freeze or unfreeze water. For elemental attunement, it states that you can chill or warm a material, but that is a separate effect from the reshaping effect, which does not state it allows you to change an objects form (from water to mist, water to ice, earth to lava, etc). The material must keep its original form and only change its geometric shape.
I think you may be right on water and ice being different. I remember JC saying something to that affect but couldn't find where.
Also, different bullets are distinctly different uses. You are absolutely correct on that.
However, your crude form should allow you to create solid water for one minute which is weird because it is exactly how ice would behave minus the heat absorption. As for going through the ice well.. you can shape the fire and focus the heat any way you want so as long as you create the fire it will help. This is why you have access to a hooded-lantern for setting up quick manipulation of the fire.
Yeah, I dont think melting ice is any issue. Its just a matter of reshaping it.
Also, I think one can validate the difference between water and ice in 4EM by looking at another ED. Shape of the Flowing River costs 1 ki and explicitly allows the reshaping / form changing of water to ice or vice versa along with other neat effects
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Lanterns, torches, Campfires, alchemist fire. any spell that sets things on fire. you could literally bring the same campfire all day if you keep moving it at the same speed as a normal PC.
I think you may be right on water and ice being different. I remember JC saying something to that affect but couldn't find where.
Also, different bullets are distinctly different uses. You are absolutely correct on that.
However, your crude form should allow you to create solid water for one minute which is weird because it is exactly how ice would behave minus the heat absorption. As for going through the ice well.. you can shape the fire and focus the heat any way you want so as long as you create the fire it will help. This is why you have access to a hooded-lantern for setting up quick manipulation of the fire.
Yeah, I dont think melting ice is any issue. Its just a matter of reshaping it.
Also, I think one can validate the difference between water and ice in 4EM by looking at another ED. Shape of the Flowing River costs 1 ki and explicitly allows the reshaping / form changing of water to ice or vice versa along with other neat effects
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