I haven't read it yet using mostly cleric spells from it same as xanthas guide. In general there is a lot of things I miss about 3e, and 3.5e as well as Pathfinder that aren't in 5e but there is a lot of things that they tried to clear up and streamline in 5e that were screwed up in the previously stated. In short either edition is better then 4e that got totally nerfed.
I see your point but have a different question about cure wounds as for dice rolling. According to the spell it's 1d8 + your spellcasting ability modifier. This is for a current character and trying to understand why it displays this. I go through my spell list and cure wounds as 1st level spell is 1d8 + 7 and my modifier is +4. I am trying to figure out why that is so when my ability modifier is only +4 and it says I get +7. I know this isn't the correct place for this question but couldn't find an appropriate thread for it. If it is correct can someone explain to me where the additional +3 come from and why it increases at higher levels?
I see your point but have a different question about cure wounds as for dice rolling. According to the spell it's 1d8 + your spellcasting ability modifier. This is for a current character and trying to understand why it displays this. I go through my spell list and cure wounds as 1st level spell is 1d8 + 7 and my modifier is +4. I am trying to figure out why that is so when my ability modifier is only +4 and it says I get +7. I know this isn't the correct place for this question but couldn't find an appropriate thread for it. If it is correct can someone explain to me where the additional +3 come from and why it increases at higher levels?
To my knowledge it's up to the DM whether they want you to roll for a twinned spell.
The rule books just state "When you cast a spell that targets only one creature and doesn't have a range of self, you can spend a number of sorcery points equal to the spells level to target a second creature in range with the same spell (1 sorcery point if the spell is a cantrip).
So since what it does is allow you to spend sorcery points to target a second creature in range with the same spell and it's open for interpretation for whether its two rolls or one roll, final call goes to DM. The other thing to keep in mind is if you use twinned spell you have to be in range of both characters if you're going to twin cure wounds, since the range on the spell is touch (if you know the metamagic distant spell you can increase the range of Cure Wounds to 30 feet but than you would not be able to twin it I believe, unless that was house ruled, and if it was you could just blow through a bunch of sorcery points that way).
To my knowledge it's up to the DM whether they want you to roll for a twinned spell.
The rule books just state "When you cast a spell that targets only one creature and doesn't have a range of self, you can spend a number of sorcery points equal to the spells level to target a second creature in range with the same spell (1 sorcery point if the spell is a cantrip).
The fact that it says "target" makes it pretty clear you're expected to roll separately to hit IMO; especially since the second target may have a different AC, they could be obscured, or have some kind of special effect that imposes disadvantage and so-on, none of which should apply to the original target.
If you could roll once and hit the second target automatically then it would say "hit" or "affect" instead of "target" I think. If you mean rolling for the effect (damage, healing etc.) then you should really roll separately for those as well, but can roll once for speed, but this makes the result more swingy (could roll minimum or maximum whereas two separate rolls are more likely to average out).
Yeah been playing a life cleric with my current party because the party likes a lot of hack and slash with no regard for keeping themselves or the party as a whole alive. I usually run as a rogue been my favorite class since 1e but party has a rogue in it but no dedicated band aid.
What about twinning chain lightning? As the spell initially only targets one creature before leaping to others within range, would you argue that the spell meets the single target condition of twinned spell or not?
What about twinning chain lightning? As the spell initially only targets one creature before leaping to others within range, would you argue that the spell meets the single target condition of twinned spell or not?
I might be wrong about this but I believe chained lightning would be classified under the same umbrella as ice knife which Crawford says can't be twinned because it affects more than one creature.
"When you Cast a Spell that Targets only one creature and doesn’t have a range of self, you can spend a number of sorcery points equal to the spell’s level to target a second creature in range with the same spell (1 sorcery point if the spell is a cantrip).
To be eligible, a spell must be incapable of targeting more than one creature at the spell’s current level. For example, Magic Missile and Scorching Ray aren’t eligible, but Ray of Frost is."
This one also may be silly and I hesitate to ask but what about a spell that requires concentration but only targets one person like dominate person? Could that be twinned? Would that count as the same concentration or would it fail for try to concentrate twice?
If you cast a spell from the 1st level spell list at 3rd level, you aren't casting a 1st level spell. It's a 3rd level spell from the 1st level spell list. This is true for all class features.
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I haven't read it yet using mostly cleric spells from it same as xanthas guide. In general there is a lot of things I miss about 3e, and 3.5e as well as Pathfinder that aren't in 5e but there is a lot of things that they tried to clear up and streamline in 5e that were screwed up in the previously stated. In short either edition is better then 4e that got totally nerfed.
I see your point but have a different question about cure wounds as for dice rolling. According to the spell it's 1d8 + your spellcasting ability modifier. This is for a current character and trying to understand why it displays this. I go through my spell list and cure wounds as 1st level spell is 1d8 + 7 and my modifier is +4. I am trying to figure out why that is so when my ability modifier is only +4 and it says I get +7. I know this isn't the correct place for this question but couldn't find an appropriate thread for it. If it is correct can someone explain to me where the additional +3 come from and why it increases at higher levels?
Does it add your proficiency bonus on top of your spell casting modifier?
Are you a Life Cleric?
To my knowledge it's up to the DM whether they want you to roll for a twinned spell.
The rule books just state "When you cast a spell that targets only one creature and doesn't have a range of self, you can spend a number of sorcery points equal to the spells level to target a second creature in range with the same spell (1 sorcery point if the spell is a cantrip).
So since what it does is allow you to spend sorcery points to target a second creature in range with the same spell and it's open for interpretation for whether its two rolls or one roll, final call goes to DM. The other thing to keep in mind is if you use twinned spell you have to be in range of both characters if you're going to twin cure wounds, since the range on the spell is touch (if you know the metamagic distant spell you can increase the range of Cure Wounds to 30 feet but than you would not be able to twin it I believe, unless that was house ruled, and if it was you could just blow through a bunch of sorcery points that way).
The fact that it says "target" makes it pretty clear you're expected to roll separately to hit IMO; especially since the second target may have a different AC, they could be obscured, or have some kind of special effect that imposes disadvantage and so-on, none of which should apply to the original target.
If you could roll once and hit the second target automatically then it would say "hit" or "affect" instead of "target" I think. If you mean rolling for the effect (damage, healing etc.) then you should really roll separately for those as well, but can roll once for speed, but this makes the result more swingy (could roll minimum or maximum whereas two separate rolls are more likely to average out).
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This may be silly question but I am not allowed to target the same creature with my twinned spell right?
No. You must target two different creatures.
Yeah been playing a life cleric with my current party because the party likes a lot of hack and slash with no regard for keeping themselves or the party as a whole alive. I usually run as a rogue been my favorite class since 1e but party has a rogue in it but no dedicated band aid.
What about twinning chain lightning? As the spell initially only targets one creature before leaping to others within range, would you argue that the spell meets the single target condition of twinned spell or not?
I might be wrong about this but I believe chained lightning would be classified under the same umbrella as ice knife which Crawford says can't be twinned because it affects more than one creature.
I assumed as much but wanted to get other peoples thoughts on it.
For clarification purposes, does it cost 1 SP to twin a cantrip and also 1 SP to twin a 1st level spell? Or does it go:
Cantrip: 1 SP
1st level: 2 SP
2nd level: 3 SP
3rd level: 4th SP etc.
Cantrip: 1 SP
1st level: 1 SP
2nd level: 2 SP, etc.
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You can't use Twinned spell on a single target.
"When you Cast a Spell that Targets only one creature and doesn’t have a range of self, you can spend a number of sorcery points equal to the spell’s level to target a second creature in range with the same spell (1 sorcery point if the spell is a cantrip).
To be eligible, a spell must be incapable of targeting more than one creature at the spell’s current level. For example, Magic Missile and Scorching Ray aren’t eligible, but Ray of Frost is."
This one also may be silly and I hesitate to ask but what about a spell that requires concentration but only targets one person like dominate person? Could that be twinned? Would that count as the same concentration or would it fail for try to concentrate twice?
Dominate Person, Haste, Poymorph and other single target concentration spells can be twinned. I've had a lot of fun with twinned polymorph.
If you cast a spell from the 1st level spell list at 3rd level, you aren't casting a 1st level spell. It's a 3rd level spell from the 1st level spell list. This is true for all class features.