This is something that is probably obvious, but I'll ask anyway to see some different perspectives. Does a Hexblade Warlock's patron have to be from the Shadowfell and/or be the weapon itself? The description varies depending on source material, but I know it usually says one of those two. I was thinking about a dip into hexblade, but I wanted an Archfey patron(Titania). Its stated in lore she usually has emissaries who wield magic daggers, and I thought that could be the pact weapon. It's a real toss up between Hexblade and Archfey for me as I know both will have their benefits, Hexblade leading to higher damage output and Archfey having social utility.
There is nothing that says all sentient weapons of great power are confined to the Shadowfell. What you can't have is the benefit of both the Archfey and the Hexblade at the same time, as you only get one Patron, no matter where they reside. If you take the servant of Titania herself, your Patron is The Archfey, and if that servant has a massively powerful sentient dagger and you take it for your Patron, you're a Hexblade.
There is nothing that says all sentient weapons of great power are confined to the Shadowfell. What you can't have is the benefit of both the Archfey and the Hexblade at the same time, as you only get one Patron, no matter where they reside. If you take the servant of Titania herself, your Patron is The Archfey, and if that servant has a massively powerful sentient dagger and you take it for your Patron, you're a Hexblade.
I asked the question as far as the hexblade goes if it had to be from shadowfell because in the first sentence under the hexblade subclass says that the patron is from shadowfell. I understand any good DM is probably not going to hold you to that, but I was curious other people's thoughts on it.
Sure. And you got your answer. The Patron can be any deity class creature or item, anywhere the Patron happens to be; try restricting something with the powers of a god and see what happens. I just warned you that you can't have two patrons in case you were confused on that point.
I can't keep just editing my post, so I'll add this. The Patron of a Hexblade must ultimately have come from the Shadowfell, somewhere back in the mists of time. Where it is when you make the pact is entirely up to the Patron.
This is something that is probably obvious, but I'll ask anyway to see some different perspectives. Does a Hexblade Warlock's patron have to be from the Shadowfell and/or be the weapon itself?
There's a bizarre internet meme that your patron be the weapon itself, but it has no basis in the RAW. Ordinarily, your patron will be an entity of great power from the Shadowfell - and hence is highly unlikely to be in the shape of a weapon. Even if it is in the shape of a weapon, it's probably not going to be in your inventory. Even if it is in your inventory, unless your DM is being overly generous with its capabilities, you'll probably usually prefer some other weapon in actual combat, since even just being magical is over-the-top generous as a gift to a level 1 character.
The description varies depending on source material, but I know it usually says one of those two. I was thinking about a dip into hexblade, but I wanted an Archfey patron(Titania). Its stated in lore she usually has emissaries who wield magic daggers, and I thought that could be the pact weapon. It's a real toss up between Hexblade and Archfey for me as I know both will have their benefits, Hexblade leading to higher damage output and Archfey having social utility.
A DM refusing to let you use the Hexblade rules to represent your pact with Titania is being unduly harsh. The bit about being from the Shadowfell is exactly the sort of thing you should reflavor to fit the character and the campaign.
Our dm hasn't refused and he's actually very open to Homebrew and whatnot. We actually haven't started the campaign yet. I was just curious on people's thoughts about it.
Hm... Well, while I can't see Titania herself as a Hexblade Patron, since she's clearly not from the Shadowfell, and I agree, it can't be one of the weapons from there, that just leaves anything powerful enough that came from the Shadowfell at one point, and is currently somewhere else. That could be the Raven Queen herself visiting with Titania, or some other being of similar power that doesn't have a name we have been given, so make up a name that makes you and your DM happy, or use the Raven Queen.
Does a Hexblade Warlock's patron have to be from the Shadowfell and/or be the weapon itself?
The original Hexblade concept outlined in Xanathar's Guide states that the pact is made with an entity from the Shadowfell. However, as Quindraco already pointed out above, a good DM will probably help you reskin the design a bit to fit other potential concepts. Personally, I've helped one of my players reskin his hexblade warlock in a way that allows his character to serve a fiendish patron as their "Blood Warrior" servant. Hexblade made more sense for their concept and design, so they get the same benefits from a patron of the Nine Hells versus the Shadowfell.
As Geann noted, they still only get one subclass, so they don't gain any of the Fiendish patron subclass benefits. However, having their hexblade's curse and hex warrior abilities was much more appropriate and thematic for what they wanted.
A DM refusing to let you use the Hexblade rules to represent your pact with Titania is being unduly harsh. The bit about being from the Shadowfell is exactly the sort of thing you should reflavor to fit the character and the campaign.
Similar to the fiendish "Blood Warrior" example above, I could easily see a DM allowing you to have some sort of fey sponsored Hexblade warlock. Perhaps, Titania wants somebody to act as her "Knight of the Summer Court" versus just being a more standard Archfey pact. You are different from most of the other warlocks, since your pact more directly focuses on defending the Summer Court's interests and removing its enemies...for which your hexblade abilities are well suited.
I don't see a problem in using hexblade mechanics with a fey patron. Reading from Xanathar's you can be a hexblade without having a weapon as a patron/focus.
As far as fey/hexblade lock goes, I would ask you what you want your role to be. Do you want to be a blaster or a "faceman" more? What does you party need?
I don't see a problem in using hexblade mechanics with a fey patron. Reading from Xanathar's you can be a hexblade without having a weapon as a patron/focus.
As far as fey/hexblade lock goes, I would ask you what you want your role to be. Do you want to be a blaster or a "faceman" more? What does you party need?
I am definitely striving to be the face of the party, but also some support and the striker. I'm trying to multiclass bard/rogue/warlock. Warlock will probably be just a 2-3 level dip depending on where the story goes. I'm not going to take eldritch blast, but instead I was aiming for the cantrips booming blade and "dagger" burst.
I don't see a problem in using hexblade mechanics with a fey patron. Reading from Xanathar's you can be a hexblade without having a weapon as a patron/focus.
As far as fey/hexblade lock goes, I would ask you what you want your role to be. Do you want to be a blaster or a "faceman" more? What does you party need?
I am definitely striving to be the face of the party, but also some support and the striker. I'm trying to multiclass bard/rogue/warlock. Warlock will probably be just a 2-3 level dip depending on where the story goes. I'm not going to take eldritch blast, but instead I was aiming for the cantrips booming blade and "dagger" burst.
If you're skipping Eldritch Blast, you might want to ask your DM to allow the blast Invocations to effect one other Cantrip, such as Booming Blade... There can be some fun synergies, and it's not game breaking at all.
And to chime in on your original question... just reskin the fluff as desired. If you want to be a Hexblade follower of Titania, do that. It's just the way that your patron's powers manifest.
This is something that is probably obvious, but I'll ask anyway to see some different perspectives. Does a Hexblade Warlock's patron have to be from the Shadowfell and/or be the weapon itself? The description varies depending on source material, but I know it usually says one of those two. I was thinking about a dip into hexblade, but I wanted an Archfey patron(Titania). Its stated in lore she usually has emissaries who wield magic daggers, and I thought that could be the pact weapon. It's a real toss up between Hexblade and Archfey for me as I know both will have their benefits, Hexblade leading to higher damage output and Archfey having social utility.
There is nothing that says all sentient weapons of great power are confined to the Shadowfell. What you can't have is the benefit of both the Archfey and the Hexblade at the same time, as you only get one Patron, no matter where they reside. If you take the servant of Titania herself, your Patron is The Archfey, and if that servant has a massively powerful sentient dagger and you take it for your Patron, you're a Hexblade.
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I asked the question as far as the hexblade goes if it had to be from shadowfell because in the first sentence under the hexblade subclass says that the patron is from shadowfell. I understand any good DM is probably not going to hold you to that, but I was curious other people's thoughts on it.
Sure. And you got your answer. The Patron can be any deity class creature or item, anywhere the Patron happens to be; try restricting something with the powers of a god and see what happens. I just warned you that you can't have two patrons in case you were confused on that point.
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I can't keep just editing my post, so I'll add this. The Patron of a Hexblade must ultimately have come from the Shadowfell, somewhere back in the mists of time. Where it is when you make the pact is entirely up to the Patron.
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There's a bizarre internet meme that your patron be the weapon itself, but it has no basis in the RAW. Ordinarily, your patron will be an entity of great power from the Shadowfell - and hence is highly unlikely to be in the shape of a weapon. Even if it is in the shape of a weapon, it's probably not going to be in your inventory. Even if it is in your inventory, unless your DM is being overly generous with its capabilities, you'll probably usually prefer some other weapon in actual combat, since even just being magical is over-the-top generous as a gift to a level 1 character.
A DM refusing to let you use the Hexblade rules to represent your pact with Titania is being unduly harsh. The bit about being from the Shadowfell is exactly the sort of thing you should reflavor to fit the character and the campaign.
Our dm hasn't refused and he's actually very open to Homebrew and whatnot. We actually haven't started the campaign yet. I was just curious on people's thoughts about it.
Hm... Well, while I can't see Titania herself as a Hexblade Patron, since she's clearly not from the Shadowfell, and I agree, it can't be one of the weapons from there, that just leaves anything powerful enough that came from the Shadowfell at one point, and is currently somewhere else. That could be the Raven Queen herself visiting with Titania, or some other being of similar power that doesn't have a name we have been given, so make up a name that makes you and your DM happy, or use the Raven Queen.
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The original Hexblade concept outlined in Xanathar's Guide states that the pact is made with an entity from the Shadowfell. However, as Quindraco already pointed out above, a good DM will probably help you reskin the design a bit to fit other potential concepts. Personally, I've helped one of my players reskin his hexblade warlock in a way that allows his character to serve a fiendish patron as their "Blood Warrior" servant. Hexblade made more sense for their concept and design, so they get the same benefits from a patron of the Nine Hells versus the Shadowfell.
As Geann noted, they still only get one subclass, so they don't gain any of the Fiendish patron subclass benefits. However, having their hexblade's curse and hex warrior abilities was much more appropriate and thematic for what they wanted.
Similar to the fiendish "Blood Warrior" example above, I could easily see a DM allowing you to have some sort of fey sponsored Hexblade warlock. Perhaps, Titania wants somebody to act as her "Knight of the Summer Court" versus just being a more standard Archfey pact. You are different from most of the other warlocks, since your pact more directly focuses on defending the Summer Court's interests and removing its enemies...for which your hexblade abilities are well suited.
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I don't see a problem in using hexblade mechanics with a fey patron. Reading from Xanathar's you can be a hexblade without having a weapon as a patron/focus.
As far as fey/hexblade lock goes, I would ask you what you want your role to be. Do you want to be a blaster or a "faceman" more? What does you party need?
I am definitely striving to be the face of the party, but also some support and the striker. I'm trying to multiclass bard/rogue/warlock. Warlock will probably be just a 2-3 level dip depending on where the story goes. I'm not going to take eldritch blast, but instead I was aiming for the cantrips booming blade and "dagger" burst.
If you're skipping Eldritch Blast, you might want to ask your DM to allow the blast Invocations to effect one other Cantrip, such as Booming Blade... There can be some fun synergies, and it's not game breaking at all.
And to chime in on your original question... just reskin the fluff as desired. If you want to be a Hexblade follower of Titania, do that. It's just the way that your patron's powers manifest.
Just by sure of your timing so you don't miss out on your ASIs/feats.