This list expands however, with Pact of the Tome (which may be part of the reason that dnd beyond still hasn't gotten AB figured out). The cantrips allowed there technically become "warlock cantrips" as well for the warlock using them (While the book is on your person, you have the chosen spells prepared, and they function as Warlock spells for you). So, essentially, any cantrip can potentially be a warlock cantrip.
This list expands however, with Pact of the Tome (which may be part of the reason that dnd beyond still hasn't gotten AB figured out). The cantrips allowed there technically become "warlock cantrips" as well for the warlock using them (While the book is on your person, you have the chosen spells prepared, and they function as Warlock spells for you). So, essentially, any cantrip can potentially be a warlock cantrip.
indeed. dropping it on sacred flame for celestials makes sense if you think you're going to need the spell. But yeah, pact of the tome opens it up a lot.
That said, sticking AB on most cantrips that is not eldritch blast is usually a poor move, at least at higher levels. It's something of a trap option.
EDIT: as you mention, for the questionable cases stacking that up with true strike and magic stone might be interesting, should that actually be legal.
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In the 2024 core rules you've got: Chill Touch, Eldritch Blast, Mind Sliver, Poison Spray, Thunderclap, and Toll the Dead. (Possibly also True Strike; that's something people have been arguing about for months and oh god we don't need another thread about that right now.)
Add in the Expanded Rules stuff and you've also got: Create Bonfire, Frostbite, Infestation, Lightning Lure, and Sword Burst. (Booming Blade, Green-Flame Blade, and Magic Stone are debatable for similar reasons to True Strike.)
Green Flame Blade already includes the caster's Spell casting Ability modifier in its damage roll.
In the 2024 core rules you've got: Chill Touch, Eldritch Blast, Mind Sliver, Poison Spray, Thunderclap, and Toll the Dead. (Possibly also True Strike; that's something people have been arguing about for months and oh god we don't need another thread about that right now.)
Add in the Expanded Rules stuff and you've also got: Create Bonfire, Frostbite, Infestation, Lightning Lure, and Sword Burst. (Booming Blade, Green-Flame Blade, and Magic Stone are debatable for similar reasons to True Strike.)
Green Flame Blade already includes the caster's Spell casting Ability modifier in its damage roll.
That would be why I said it was debatable, along with the others I said that about.
You can use AB on any warlock cantrip you want. The real question is why would you want to do that? EB works well because it's multiple beams, and applies you cha mod to each beam. So at level 5, you shoot two beams and apply your cha mod to each. No other cantrip works that way. Other cantrips scale by doubleing the damage dice, but it remains a single hit, so agonizing blast never taps more than once/turn.
I'd honestly argue that AB should not be a thing, and all cantrips should add your caster bonus out of the box.
I am fine with AB being how its done, I want base cantrips to be significantly weaker than base attacks given this is mainly applying to full casters. I just think it was a bad idea to make AB cantrip specific as opposed to just applying to all warlock cantrips with one invocation, same with repelling etc. The evoker gets to use their feature on every cantrip, let the warlock.
I don't mind base cantrips being worse than base weapon attacks. I'd prefer that delta came from smaller damage dice however. Rolling a 1 just feels bad. Cantrips sitting around d6, while most go-to 1h weapons sit at d8, not to mention two handers feels like the correct middle ground to me.
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Any time an unfathomably powerful entity sweeps in and offers godlike rewards in return for just a few teensy favors, it’s a scam. Unless it’s me. I’d never lie to you, reader dearest.
I don't mind base cantrips being worse than base weapon attacks. I'd prefer that delta came from smaller damage dice however. Rolling a 1 just feels bad. Cantrips sitting around d6, while most go-to 1h weapons sit at d8, not to mention two handers feels like the correct middle ground to me.
That could work as well. I'm not sure where eldritch blast would fall then though or what invocation be there to boost a warlocks cantrips as they are not full casters they are closer to a mystic archer. Though back when they were playtesting 2024 I was pushing for eldritch blast to not be a separate cantrip but a baked in way to modify cantrips. A level 5 feature that split the damage of your cantrips into multiple attacks, in theory it could then also have boosted the damage a die type.
I've said for years that Warlock is the best arcane archer in the game. It IS an archer. EB should be a class feature for warlocks that scales on warlock level rather than a cantrip that scales on character level. 2024 was a missed opportunity in that regard. As far as the invocations go, they basically gave those invocations to martials as weapon masteries. If any masteries were missed, they should filter back to warlocks. I'd consider making EB work the way it did in 4e where you could choose to have a range of touch or a range of 120 I think it is. So, you could choose be ranged or melee when you build the character. maybe be able to change when you level.
Any time an unfathomably powerful entity sweeps in and offers godlike rewards in return for just a few teensy favors, it’s a scam. Unless it’s me. I’d never lie to you, reader dearest.
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This list expands however, with Pact of the Tome (which may be part of the reason that dnd beyond still hasn't gotten AB figured out). The cantrips allowed there technically become "warlock cantrips" as well for the warlock using them (While the book is on your person, you have the chosen spells prepared, and they function as Warlock spells for you). So, essentially, any cantrip can potentially be a warlock cantrip.
Excellent point.
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indeed. dropping it on sacred flame for celestials makes sense if you think you're going to need the spell. But yeah, pact of the tome opens it up a lot.
That said, sticking AB on most cantrips that is not eldritch blast is usually a poor move, at least at higher levels. It's something of a trap option.
EDIT: as you mention, for the questionable cases stacking that up with true strike and magic stone might be interesting, should that actually be legal.
Any time an unfathomably powerful entity sweeps in and offers godlike rewards in return for just a few teensy favors, it’s a scam. Unless it’s me. I’d never lie to you, reader dearest.
Tasha
Green Flame Blade already includes the caster's Spell casting Ability modifier in its damage roll.
That would be why I said it was debatable, along with the others I said that about.
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I am fine with AB being how its done, I want base cantrips to be significantly weaker than base attacks given this is mainly applying to full casters. I just think it was a bad idea to make AB cantrip specific as opposed to just applying to all warlock cantrips with one invocation, same with repelling etc. The evoker gets to use their feature on every cantrip, let the warlock.
I don't mind base cantrips being worse than base weapon attacks. I'd prefer that delta came from smaller damage dice however. Rolling a 1 just feels bad. Cantrips sitting around d6, while most go-to 1h weapons sit at d8, not to mention two handers feels like the correct middle ground to me.
Any time an unfathomably powerful entity sweeps in and offers godlike rewards in return for just a few teensy favors, it’s a scam. Unless it’s me. I’d never lie to you, reader dearest.
Tasha
That could work as well. I'm not sure where eldritch blast would fall then though or what invocation be there to boost a warlocks cantrips as they are not full casters they are closer to a mystic archer. Though back when they were playtesting 2024 I was pushing for eldritch blast to not be a separate cantrip but a baked in way to modify cantrips. A level 5 feature that split the damage of your cantrips into multiple attacks, in theory it could then also have boosted the damage a die type.
I've said for years that Warlock is the best arcane archer in the game. It IS an archer. EB should be a class feature for warlocks that scales on warlock level rather than a cantrip that scales on character level. 2024 was a missed opportunity in that regard. As far as the invocations go, they basically gave those invocations to martials as weapon masteries. If any masteries were missed, they should filter back to warlocks. I'd consider making EB work the way it did in 4e where you could choose to have a range of touch or a range of 120 I think it is. So, you could choose be ranged or melee when you build the character. maybe be able to change when you level.
Any time an unfathomably powerful entity sweeps in and offers godlike rewards in return for just a few teensy favors, it’s a scam. Unless it’s me. I’d never lie to you, reader dearest.
Tasha