i paid for the 5e rules. I've chosen to not buy the new 5.5 rules. Now theyre saying I have access to nothing unless I upgrade. Are you not seeing the problem here? This whole time WotC has said that we could still play the 2014 rules.
The clarification is them thinking we are stupid, but no:
We want the 2014 spells in our character sheets! We properly understood that in the first place! The clarification clarifies only one thing: WotC doesn't understand what we're not happy about.
The clarification obfuscates the most basic point many people appear to be concerned about - will they be able to use 2014 spells in their digital character sheets (I believe the answer so far is no, not unless you Homebrew it)?
"All 2014 versions of Spells will still be accessible in the D&D Beyond Compendium and available for players to access."
"...still be accessible in the D&D Beyond Compendium" - seems to mean you'll still be able to read the old versions of the spells, but doesn't mean it'll be available in tooltips etc.
"...available for players to access" - ambiguous. Access how and for what purpose?
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Currently homebrewing the Mistveil Rogue, an elusive infiltrator that can vanish into thin air.
The clarification obfuscates the most basic point many people appear to be concerned about - will they be able to use 2014 spells in their digital character sheets (I believe the answer so far is no, not unless you Homebrew it)?
"All 2014 versions of Spells will still be accessible in the D&D Beyond Compendium and available for players to access."
"...still be accessible in the D&D Beyond Compendium" - seems to mean you'll still be able to read the old versions of the spells, but doesn't mean it'll be available in tooltips etc.
"...available for players to access" - ambiguous. Access how and for what purpose?
The way I see it, if I have to homebrew it, I can’t use it.
si yeah it’s basically “Read Only” and you can’t use them as part of you character sheet
Feels like the making of a class action lawsuit. People who purchased digital content to intentionally use that content in the digital tool no longer having the content, is blatant theft.
My players are in the middle of a campaign and I had no intent to switch to the new rules until we finish. If they push the changes, I may just wrap the campaign early and jump to a new system.
Money grab from companies is not my jam. I work in IT application design. Marking things legacy here is not difficult. It's not really that much data and if designed well could be implemented fairly easy.
Just wanted to throw my two cents in that I agree that this is completely unacceptable. They need to add a 2024 and 5e toggle in the character creator. Then they can make that character use the items, spells, and content from whichever edition that is toggled and paid for.
I'm not touching the 2024 books with a 10-ft pole, so I'm literally just losing content that I paid for.
Congratulations, WotC/Hasbro, I'll be canceling my subscription of five or so years. I will not be using your service, and I will not recommend this game to anyone. In fact, I will actively recommend other games, or recommend to buy physical books of older editions. For my own use, I'll fall back on my collection of physical books [REDACTED], since you have decided to make your easy and useful digital tools hostile to your customers. Again, congrats on losing another customer, one who's been playing D&D since 1994.
If I can’t access and make character sheets easily with the content I bought I’d like a refund. It’s insane how inconvenient they are making this. The whole point of digital is convenience and this isn’t it anymore.
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Cancelled my Master Tier Subscription 01/12/23 because of OGL 1.1
All sales are final on digital via support/tos. Don’t like the changes and practices of Hasbro/WoTC stop paying subs/buying their products. That’s what I am doing now.
The clarification is them thinking we are stupid, but no:
We want the 2014 spells in our character sheets! We properly understood that in the first place! The clarification clarifies only one thing: WotC doesn't understand what we're not happy about.
Yeah, I read the "clarification" and I am still in the same place I was. I always understood that you can view the 2014 books in the compendium section but I want the 2014 rules on character sheets!
I will not be purchasing any further D&D beyond content now that I have no way of knowing when it will expire and be removed from the site. Wizards of the Coast has fully shattered any remaining trust I had in them and I will be switching over to Pathfinder and cancelling my subscription once 2014 D&D becomes unplayable.
As a Dm that runs a game for special needs players im afraid that this is going to cause us a massive headache. My players need to be able to reread their spells quite often. I fear that if the spells suddenly change from how they have been reading for the past ten years then our game will become completely de railed and we'll be put into a position that we have to learn a lot of 5e all over again. Very disappointing to see how dnd beyond is acting after guaranteeing that those of us who wanted(or needed) to stay on 5e could do so.
WHAT THE F***. IS IT NOT AN EASY SOLUTION TO JUST MARK IT AS LEGACY CONTENT AND ALLOW US TO USE 2014 SPELLS AND ITEMS?????
It's more than just that. This change is going to alter all the tooltips and links between the sourcebooks. Clicking on goblin in Lost Mines of Phandelver will take you to the 5e24 goblin, not the 5e14 goblin. Mousing over something like exhaustion will also show the 5e24 rules, not the 5e14. It's a bigger mess than just being able to use the 5e14 spells and items on character sheets.
People want to know what's going to happen with the Character Builder and Character Sheets.
I'm not buying the 2024 books. If I cannot continue to use the 2014 books with the Character Sheets then I have no further use for Dndbeyond as that was the entire reason I chose to buy my books here instead of buying them physically.
This is so incredibly disappointing, while they're patting themselves on the back for the new 2024 D&D they're just trying to push everyone away from the old rules. My table has no interest in using the 2024 system, we've fixed a lot of what we wanted to with homebrew for 5e already.
Some of my players just learned 5e and aren't interested in relearning rules. We wanted to continue to use dndbeyond as a tool but if they take away that option they will loose my subscription, at that point its not even worth it. Anyone have some alternative sites to use for characters?
I've been a dndbeyond subscriber for over a year, and I didn't even unsub during the OGL controversy. But mark my words if these changes go through, I'm canceling and never coming back, ecosystem investments be damned.
It's funny—back when OneD&D was first announced, my group speculated on whether we'd have to switch to a ruleset we didn't ask for.
No way! They'd have a legacy option. They wouldn't just pull support, or even worse, give us a short countdown to grab what we could carry and run. And then release carefully worded statements that neither acknowledge nor address customer concerns.
If they go through with removing the 2014 spells/items I for one will never again use any dndbeyond content, tools, etc. This is absolutely ridiculous, people pay good money to be able to access content through dndbeyond, and now there is a large swath of that content...that people have paid for, not just via subscription services, but by having BOUGHT source books through dndbeyond, that they are going to no longer have access to! This is a completely betrayal by dndbeyond! They could create a way to choose if you want to see the older, or the newer content, the technology exists! This smells of "no, we want you to HAVE to use the new stuff, so you HAVE to buy the new books from us." I REFUSE! I will not pay dndbeyond one more penny EVER if they go through with this.
i paid for the 5e rules. I've chosen to not buy the new 5.5 rules. Now theyre saying I have access to nothing unless I upgrade. Are you not seeing the problem here? This whole time WotC has said that we could still play the 2014 rules.
The clarification is them thinking we are stupid, but no:
We want the 2014 spells in our character sheets! We properly understood that in the first place! The clarification clarifies only one thing: WotC doesn't understand what we're not happy about.
The clarification obfuscates the most basic point many people appear to be concerned about - will they be able to use 2014 spells in their digital character sheets (I believe the answer so far is no, not unless you Homebrew it)?
"All 2014 versions of Spells will still be accessible in the D&D Beyond Compendium and available for players to access."
"...still be accessible in the D&D Beyond Compendium" - seems to mean you'll still be able to read the old versions of the spells, but doesn't mean it'll be available in tooltips etc.
"...available for players to access" - ambiguous. Access how and for what purpose?
Currently homebrewing the Mistveil Rogue, an elusive infiltrator that can vanish into thin air.
The way I see it, if I have to homebrew it, I can’t use it.
si yeah it’s basically “Read Only” and you can’t use them as part of you character sheet
Feels like the making of a class action lawsuit. People who purchased digital content to intentionally use that content in the digital tool no longer having the content, is blatant theft.
My players are in the middle of a campaign and I had no intent to switch to the new rules until we finish. If they push the changes, I may just wrap the campaign early and jump to a new system.
Money grab from companies is not my jam. I work in IT application design. Marking things legacy here is not difficult. It's not really that much data and if designed well could be implemented fairly easy.
Just wanted to throw my two cents in that I agree that this is completely unacceptable. They need to add a 2024 and 5e toggle in the character creator. Then they can make that character use the items, spells, and content from whichever edition that is toggled and paid for.
I'm not touching the 2024 books with a 10-ft pole, so I'm literally just losing content that I paid for.
Congratulations, WotC/Hasbro, I'll be canceling my subscription of five or so years. I will not be using your service, and I will not recommend this game to anyone. In fact, I will actively recommend other games, or recommend to buy physical books of older editions. For my own use, I'll fall back on my collection of physical books [REDACTED], since you have decided to make your easy and useful digital tools hostile to your customers. Again, congrats on losing another customer, one who's been playing D&D since 1994.
If I can’t access and make character sheets easily with the content I bought I’d like a refund. It’s insane how inconvenient they are making this. The whole point of digital is convenience and this isn’t it anymore.
Cancelled my Master Tier Subscription 01/12/23 because of OGL 1.1
All sales are final on digital via support/tos. Don’t like the changes and practices of Hasbro/WoTC stop paying subs/buying their products. That’s what I am doing now.
Yeah, I read the "clarification" and I am still in the same place I was. I always understood that you can view the 2014 books in the compendium section but I want the 2014 rules on character sheets!
I will not be purchasing any further D&D beyond content now that I have no way of knowing when it will expire and be removed from the site. Wizards of the Coast has fully shattered any remaining trust I had in them and I will be switching over to Pathfinder and cancelling my subscription once 2014 D&D becomes unplayable.
You made a HORRIFIC business decision here, WOTC.
If this goes live I am done with this site. Never ever a broken penny, PF2 here we go.
Get fun with being sued to oblivion in EU.
As a Dm that runs a game for special needs players im afraid that this is going to cause us a massive headache. My players need to be able to reread their spells quite often. I fear that if the spells suddenly change from how they have been reading for the past ten years then our game will become completely de railed and we'll be put into a position that we have to learn a lot of 5e all over again. Very disappointing to see how dnd beyond is acting after guaranteeing that those of us who wanted(or needed) to stay on 5e could do so.
WHAT THE F***. IS IT NOT AN EASY SOLUTION TO JUST MARK IT AS LEGACY CONTENT AND ALLOW US TO USE 2014 SPELLS AND ITEMS?????
It's more than just that. This change is going to alter all the tooltips and links between the sourcebooks. Clicking on goblin in Lost Mines of Phandelver will take you to the 5e24 goblin, not the 5e14 goblin. Mousing over something like exhaustion will also show the 5e24 rules, not the 5e14. It's a bigger mess than just being able to use the 5e14 spells and items on character sheets.
Compendium, compendium, compendium.
People want to know what's going to happen with the Character Builder and Character Sheets.
I'm not buying the 2024 books. If I cannot continue to use the 2014 books with the Character Sheets then I have no further use for Dndbeyond as that was the entire reason I chose to buy my books here instead of buying them physically.
This is so incredibly disappointing, while they're patting themselves on the back for the new 2024 D&D they're just trying to push everyone away from the old rules. My table has no interest in using the 2024 system, we've fixed a lot of what we wanted to with homebrew for 5e already.
Some of my players just learned 5e and aren't interested in relearning rules. We wanted to continue to use dndbeyond as a tool but if they take away that option they will loose my subscription, at that point its not even worth it. Anyone have some alternative sites to use for characters?
Wouldn't it be theft otherwise?
I've been a dndbeyond subscriber for over a year, and I didn't even unsub during the OGL controversy. But mark my words if these changes go through, I'm canceling and never coming back, ecosystem investments be damned.
It's funny—back when OneD&D was first announced, my group speculated on whether we'd have to switch to a ruleset we didn't ask for.
No way! They'd have a legacy option. They wouldn't just pull support, or even worse, give us a short countdown to grab what we could carry and run. And then release carefully worded statements that neither acknowledge nor address customer concerns.
I want to say I can't believe it, but Oh, I can.
If they go through with removing the 2014 spells/items I for one will never again use any dndbeyond content, tools, etc. This is absolutely ridiculous, people pay good money to be able to access content through dndbeyond, and now there is a large swath of that content...that people have paid for, not just via subscription services, but by having BOUGHT source books through dndbeyond, that they are going to no longer have access to! This is a completely betrayal by dndbeyond! They could create a way to choose if you want to see the older, or the newer content, the technology exists! This smells of "no, we want you to HAVE to use the new stuff, so you HAVE to buy the new books from us." I REFUSE! I will not pay dndbeyond one more penny EVER if they go through with this.