If this goes ahead, I'm never buying anything on Beyond ever again. I'm simply not willing to risk having such a significant change in the license content.
What if a revised version of a source book is released, and it means I can no longer access the previous version?
I would've thought that unthinkable before this. Now I'm not so sure, and if this goes ahead, it's a risk I'll not be willing to take.
I'm sure there may be technical challenges, but I don't believe this is the only way it can be done. This is a choice being made. Rather than spend time and money coming up with a solution, they'd rather push people into buying new content.
The thing is, I was almost certainly going to buy that new content anyway. Not taking the risk now.
I'm here exclusively for 5e. If 5e content is removed from dndbeyond, or "updated", that won't make me transition to 6e, it will only serve to make me abandon dndbeyond.
Anyone thinking of a class action lawsuit? I'd be interested in joining. But I guess I learned my lesson. No more digital purchases. I can't trust WOTC or Hasbro as stewards of this hobby. Should have seen it coming.
In the terms of service you had to agree to, you acknowledged that D&D Beyond and WotC had the right to revoke access and content at any time for any reason. So, they have not done anything illegal nor have they broken their contract of sale with you. Your lawsuit won't do anything but cost you money.
I'm no lawyer but plenty of TOS have been defeated in court. If a lawyer takes it, I wouldn't be worried about it. A TOS isn't carte blanche to do whatever. A judge would determine whether it's reasonable, not a signature.
This is how they force everyone to buy into the new system. They took away buying options of pieces of content, then they wipe all the legacy spells... so now if you want to play a class using magic (which is most classes) you no longer have that beautiful selection of spells that you spent years gathering and paying for. You are back to square 1 basics. Laugh... so sure you have your legacy wizard subclass... but how useful is that with no spells.
This is how they force everyone to buy into the new system. They took away buying options of pieces of content, then they wipe all the legacy spells... so now if you want to play a class using magic (which is most classes) you no longer have that beautiful selection of spells that you spent years gathering and paying for. You are back to square 1 basics. Laugh... so sure you have your legacy wizard subclass... but how useful is that with no spells.
This is really it right here: the lukewarm response to their update and low presales
To make such significant changes to the system without even providing a toggle feature or an option to remain in the 2014 rules (because telling people to homebrew spells and magical items that they've already purchased only punishes the people who supported D&D Beyond by making purchases previously), means that going forward, any purchases on D&D Beyond will be seen as unreliable - as that is now my perspective on the current situation. I dropped my subscription, which I would have been fine keeping - if this had not been the choice that WotC made...
I will not be making any further purchases of anything on this site, nor will I resubscribe unless this situation is significantly remedied.
Don't know if this is part of the same issue or not but went to edit the race of a character I started working on a couple of months ago only to find most of the race options gone, like what even is that?
You probably had them via content sharing and content sharing ended. It has already been confirmed in the changelog they are not removing any race options, so you issue is irrelevant to this thread.
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This is exactly what we've been suspecting will happen all along, an effort to force people to adopt the new, inferior version of the game. Turns out we were 100% right, and explains the draconian efforts to silence anyone calling WotC out for all of their underhanded behaviour on these forums. Since I hold little to no hope that this decision will be reverted, I can only hope in its place that the number of people unsubscribing will be significant. The 2024 version of the game is for all intents and purposes a 6th edition. They've been trying to market it otherwise, but that is nothing more than a lie hidden behind a sales pitch of 'backwards compatibility' and now the truth is out. Given the politically motivated aspects now bleeding into the game as well, such as the removal of half-races, moving stat modifiers as far away from racial traits as they can, changing terminology like race->species, and so forth, this seems to be going down the path of other IP owners these days that seem to have an agenda to actively ruin their own product. RIP DNDBeyond, once upon a time a great set of digital tools for D&D.
This is the kind of heedless laziness you'd expect from a failing student who only starts working on projects the night they're due. It would do them well to remember where they came from.
Of course, though, it's probably intentional. I'm only glad I'm a player who doesn't pay for any of this crap.
Master tier subscriber and legendary bundle owner here. I cancelled before when they did the OGL stuff. I'm cancelling again, but it will be more difficult to get me back this time. They are establishing themselves not as a source, and not as a companion, but as an adversary to my fun. At this point, even on their own site, third party content is a better value up front and a more stable product long term. Add to this the fact that the third party content is available on other platforms that treat customers better, and Hasbro/WotC has a problem on their hands. #TakingMyMoney
I had been cautiously waiting on the 2024 material to decide if I am going to upgrade / move my current tables over to it. Some of my tables are interested, some are not. My plan had been to wait until the entirety of the core books were out to make my final decision.
However, with this change to the character builder, I now understand that unless I buy the PHB in september, my players spell lists on their character sheets will drop down to only the "free" rules spells unless I make the herculean effort to redo "homebrew" work that is already done in the system now. I pay a subscription here for the ease of use, particularly on my players side. This change breaks the implied consumer covenant that you have been operating on for the last 6 years and why I subscribe to D&D Beyond in the first place.
If this change goes through as is, I will be cancelling my D&D Beyond subscription, I will also not be buying into the 2024 ruleset either physically or digitally. Instead, I will be migrating my players to other games, most notably Pathfinder. If you are not going to maintain my ease of access to the materials that I have purchased, then I will not be support your company going into the future.
Same as many above. This change breaks my existing campaigns. The convenience I pay for is now gone, and there is no need to continue paying for your “service.”
Say goodbye to the money you were getting, for your frequent money grabs are like grasping sand too tightly. You’ll always lose. One would think that upon recovering from shooting oneself in the foot, the company would look down and be cautious before shooting again. Alas, it seems that would be too strong a confidence in your business savvy.
Keep spells and magic items from 2014 as legacy items, create rule-set toggles just like you do with optional content, and don’t break thousands of subscribers games - or lose us all, forever. The choice is up to you.
I hope you make the right one, and that you stop using this dice you’re continually rolling Nat 1s on.
TBH I don't post anything on forums usually, but after the OGL problems and now this I'm switching to a better site. this is crazy. I know I don't "own" the content I paid for, but if that was the case make it included in the subscription plan instead of making us buy everything and telling us we can't access a third of it anymore without homebrewing it. I had a master sub before I made this post. not anymore. I'm tired of all this money-grubbing Hasbro stuff. If I can't find a suitable alternative to this, I guess I'm taking my money to Paizo
TBH I don't post anything on forums usually, but after the OGL problems and now this I'm switching to a better site. this is crazy. I know I don't "own" the content I paid for, but if that was the case make it included in the subscription plan instead of making us buy everything and telling us we can't access a third of it anymore without homebrewing it. I had a master sub before I made this post. not anymore. I'm tired of all this money-grubbing Hasbro stuff. If I can't find a suitable alternative to this, I guess I'm taking my money to Paizo
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TBH I don't post anything on forums usually, but after the OGL problems and now this I'm switching to a better site. this is crazy. I know I don't "own" the content I paid for, but if that was the case make it included in the subscription plan instead of making us buy everything and telling us we can't access a third of it anymore without homebrewing it. I had a master sub before I made this post. not anymore. I'm tired of all this money-grubbing Hasbro stuff. If I can't find a suitable alternative to this, I guess I'm taking my money to Paizo
What's Paizo? Truly curious
Ok, looked it up. I'm looking for a new companion to 5e right now to finish our current campaigns with. Then i will need to retire dnd and go with something less evil. This looks like it will do nice
I'm gonna add my voice to this, I'm a subscribed dm. I paid for content and our group will not be using any 2024 features. It feels like a punishment for not buying more stuff tbh.
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If this goes ahead, I'm never buying anything on Beyond ever again. I'm simply not willing to risk having such a significant change in the license content.
What if a revised version of a source book is released, and it means I can no longer access the previous version?
I would've thought that unthinkable before this. Now I'm not so sure, and if this goes ahead, it's a risk I'll not be willing to take.
I'm sure there may be technical challenges, but I don't believe this is the only way it can be done. This is a choice being made. Rather than spend time and money coming up with a solution, they'd rather push people into buying new content.
The thing is, I was almost certainly going to buy that new content anyway. Not taking the risk now.
So when are we exactly are we getting a refund on the stuff we purchased and won't be able to use anymore?
I agree. It doesn't even make sense.
I'm here exclusively for 5e. If 5e content is removed from dndbeyond, or "updated", that won't make me transition to 6e, it will only serve to make me abandon dndbeyond.
Has anyone made a change.org petition or something? This is seriously gonna disrupt ongoing campaigns!
I'm no lawyer but plenty of TOS have been defeated in court. If a lawyer takes it, I wouldn't be worried about it. A TOS isn't carte blanche to do whatever. A judge would determine whether it's reasonable, not a signature.
This is how they force everyone to buy into the new system. They took away buying options of pieces of content, then they wipe all the legacy spells... so now if you want to play a class using magic (which is most classes) you no longer have that beautiful selection of spells that you spent years gathering and paying for. You are back to square 1 basics. Laugh... so sure you have your legacy wizard subclass... but how useful is that with no spells.
This is really it right here: the lukewarm response to their update and low presales
This is ridiculous. I'm not going to keep using this system if I have to do extra work to use the content I own.
I want a refund for any digital content that will be made unavailable as a result of this action.
To make such significant changes to the system without even providing a toggle feature or an option to remain in the 2014 rules (because telling people to homebrew spells and magical items that they've already purchased only punishes the people who supported D&D Beyond by making purchases previously), means that going forward, any purchases on D&D Beyond will be seen as unreliable - as that is now my perspective on the current situation. I dropped my subscription, which I would have been fine keeping - if this had not been the choice that WotC made...
I will not be making any further purchases of anything on this site, nor will I resubscribe unless this situation is significantly remedied.
You probably had them via content sharing and content sharing ended. It has already been confirmed in the changelog they are not removing any race options, so you issue is irrelevant to this thread.
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This is exactly what we've been suspecting will happen all along, an effort to force people to adopt the new, inferior version of the game. Turns out we were 100% right, and explains the draconian efforts to silence anyone calling WotC out for all of their underhanded behaviour on these forums. Since I hold little to no hope that this decision will be reverted, I can only hope in its place that the number of people unsubscribing will be significant. The 2024 version of the game is for all intents and purposes a 6th edition. They've been trying to market it otherwise, but that is nothing more than a lie hidden behind a sales pitch of 'backwards compatibility' and now the truth is out. Given the politically motivated aspects now bleeding into the game as well, such as the removal of half-races, moving stat modifiers as far away from racial traits as they can, changing terminology like race->species, and so forth, this seems to be going down the path of other IP owners these days that seem to have an agenda to actively ruin their own product. RIP DNDBeyond, once upon a time a great set of digital tools for D&D.
There is absolutely no excuse for this. I expect I'll be cancelling my subscription if this isn't changed.
This is the kind of heedless laziness you'd expect from a failing student who only starts working on projects the night they're due. It would do them well to remember where they came from.
Of course, though, it's probably intentional. I'm only glad I'm a player who doesn't pay for any of this crap.
Master tier subscriber and legendary bundle owner here. I cancelled before when they did the OGL stuff. I'm cancelling again, but it will be more difficult to get me back this time. They are establishing themselves not as a source, and not as a companion, but as an adversary to my fun. At this point, even on their own site, third party content is a better value up front and a more stable product long term. Add to this the fact that the third party content is available on other platforms that treat customers better, and Hasbro/WotC has a problem on their hands. #TakingMyMoney
Same as many above. This change breaks my existing campaigns. The convenience I pay for is now gone, and there is no need to continue paying for your “service.”
Say goodbye to the money you were getting, for your frequent money grabs are like grasping sand too tightly. You’ll always lose. One would think that upon recovering from shooting oneself in the foot, the company would look down and be cautious before shooting again. Alas, it seems that would be too strong a confidence in your business savvy.
Keep spells and magic items from 2014 as legacy items, create rule-set toggles just like you do with optional content, and don’t break thousands of subscribers games - or lose us all, forever. The choice is up to you.
I hope you make the right one, and that you stop using this dice you’re continually rolling Nat 1s on.
What's Paizo? Truly curious
The people who own Pathfinder.
Click ✨ HERE ✨ For My Youtube Videos featuring Guides, Tips & Tricks for using D&D Beyond.
Need help with Homebrew? Check out ✨ this FAQ/Guide thread ✨ by IamSposta.
Ok, looked it up. I'm looking for a new companion to 5e right now to finish our current campaigns with. Then i will need to retire dnd and go with something less evil. This looks like it will do nice
I'm gonna add my voice to this, I'm a subscribed dm. I paid for content and our group will not be using any 2024 features. It feels like a punishment for not buying more stuff tbh.