OR not buy it at all, choices am I right? 29.99 is not a low, low price for what the product is. 29.99 is a new video game, a new, non redundant, physical d&d book, a copy of burning wheel gold with enough left over to buy a coffee, a box of diapers, baby formula, a dinner for two sans drinks at a moderately priced restaurant. I own all the core books, I am not spending anything on them again. I don't care what quasi-ethical spin you want to put on that.
I don't mind paying a sub covering the development and maintenance of the site. But I'll be damned if I am going to get suckered into paying to just to have more than two feats in a character gen.
I don't mind paying a sub covering the development and maintenance of the site. But I'll be damned if I am going to get suckered into paying to just to have more than two feats in a character gen.
No company or tool can legally provide you the content you want without a license from WotC. What you are asking for is DDB to buy the PHB license for you out of the subscription cost, which of course, wouldn't actually provide them money to cover "the development and maintenance of the site" until they recouped the cost of the license, which could be over a year, depending on their cost for the actual license. Should they? Eh... maybe it would be a good business move to provide it for the master level subscription (and only while you are a subscriber), but that is a cost-reward benefit that they are not willing to make right now.
I'm loving it. I'm a middle class middle age guy who works at a well paid job. My gaming circle are mostly teenagers - I play with friends and their kids. I've been able to unlock most of the character creation content for them and they're loving it. They would offer me some of our club's money if I'd take it. It would have cost them less than ten bucks each.
Really looking forward to the campaign management tools.
Get together with some friends to play the game and help the guys at Curse earn a crust! They're doing a great job ;-)
trying to get D&D players and DMs to constantly rebuy the same material over and over
Maybe they were trying to get new players to buy the content for the first time, but the platform is sogood that those who've purchased physical copies feel compelled to buy it again digitally?
A monkey wrench for your argument - WOTC isn't the developer of D&D Beyond, so all the pointers to what they have done, or should do, are moot. Curse is behind D&D Beyond, and must monetize licensed content to recoup development/operating costs. Business, my dear Watson!
Good show, old chap. Jolly good show.
So, all of the people involved in the development of this site should just volunteer their time so that you can get the content for free? That would be a "jolly good show!"
That isn't even mentioning the money spent running or renting the servers and forming a business model around providing this content to you in this quite useful form. Please run along and look for hand outs elsewhere.
Eh? What?
Maybe I misunderstood your comment :) Sorry. I thought you are were being sarcastic.
it doesn't even give you access to the core rule books I've already payed for.
You've already compensated Curse for this license? Or are you inferring that you've paid a different retailer for this license, so Curse should provide you a digital one here without receiving a dime for their efforts? Why would anyone other than the manufacturer (WoTC) have anything to do with products you purchased elsewhere?
Feedback and criticism is nice to have and grow from, but it must first be based in logic and reason. D&D Beyond is not here to give away digital content to individuals who may have purchased a physical book from another retailer.
Here is an email I just wrote to your company under the title: "What Did I Buy?"
I just bought a D&D Beyond Hero Tier subscription. Among the items this is supposed to provide is: "this tier removes ads." On another page, it indicates Hero Tier: "Removes all ads from D&D Beyond." Yet, when I click on certain monsters in the monster listings, I still get an ad for a Monster Manual .pdf. Those are the only sorts of ads I've ever seen on here, so I assumed that's to what "this tier removes ads" refers. Is that not the case? Please let me know. Thank you.
I'm thinking, this being Sunday of Labor Day weekend, I might get a quicker answer here on the forums.
Here is an email I just wrote to your company under the title: "What Did I Buy?"
I just bought a D&D Beyond Hero Tier subscription. Among the items this is supposed to provide is: "this tier removes ads." On another page, it indicates Hero Tier: "Removes all ads from D&D Beyond." Yet, when I click on certain monsters in the monster listings, I still get an ad for a Monster Manual .pdf. Those are the only sorts of ads I've ever seen on here, so I assumed that's to what "this tier removes ads" refers. Is that not the case? Please let me know. Thank you.
I'm thinking, this being Sunday of Labor Day weekend, I might get a quicker answer here on the forums.
Thank you.
So did you JUST get the subsciption, or did you buy any of the rule books themselves. As a general note the master subscription is primarily there for you to share your DDB purchased content with other players. As far as I am aware the subcription does not provide anything apart from the sharing, ad free, and unlimited characters (second two are also part of the Hero sub).
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"Where words fail, swords prevail. Where blood is spilled, my cup is filled" -Cartaphilus
"I have found the answer to the meaning of life. You ask me what the answer is? You already know what the answer to life is. You fear it more than the strike of a viper, the ravages of disease, the ire of a lover. The answer is always death. But death is a gentle mistress with a sweet embrace, and you owe her a debt of restitution. Life is not a gift, it is a loan."
Honestly, even if I owned every single book (I don't, I have half of them) I'd still plunk down the money to get everything here because its just easier for me and in the end my time is worth it. This site is pretty f**king cool and its only going to get better. If you use evernote or one note its simple to port DnDB's version of the adventures over to your notebook and edit it as much as you want. Everything at a touch of the fingertips. No more "hold on" at the table while I pour through first one book then realize it was in another. I can't wait to see where this site goes. It's moved so fast so far. Eventually the things you get at those free sites will all be here, in one place and you won't have three different apps and sites running in the background as you jump from page to page. Just my two cents.
Youre buying another copy of a product in a different format.
Did owning the Tolkien books get you a free movie ticket when they came out? Did it get you the DVD? Did Apple say "oh this person paid to see the movie in the theater, they should download it for free"?
No. Even films that come with physical and digital copies are priced higher than buying either format individually.
A big part of 5e is enticing new players and former player into (re)discovering D&D. If you already own every book, supplement, and spell card: this product may not be being marketed to you.
I played 3/3.5 and had my heart broken by the mechanics of 4e. I walked away from the hobby thinking that my time playing D&D was over. The only physical copy of a 5e book I own is a PHB I bought when invited to guest at a buddies game. DnDBeyond is perfect for me and has inspired me to begin preparing a new campaign of my own.
There're lots of people in the world, not everything is going to be aimed directly at you. If a product doesn't make sense for your wallet, your group, or your situation: don't buy it. The rest of us don't need to hear you humblebrag about how you own soooooo many books you just couldn't possibly show further support in the hobby.
Here is an email I just wrote to your company under the title: "What Did I Buy?"
I just bought a D&D Beyond Hero Tier subscription. Among the items this is supposed to provide is: "this tier removes ads." On another page, it indicates Hero Tier: "Removes all ads from D&D Beyond." Yet, when I click on certain monsters in the monster listings, I still get an ad for a Monster Manual .pdf. Those are the only sorts of ads I've ever seen on here, so I assumed that's to what "this tier removes ads" refers. Is that not the case? Please let me know. Thank you.
I'm thinking, this being Sunday of Labor Day weekend, I might get a quicker answer here on the forums.
Thank you.
So did you JUST get the subsciption, or did you buy any of the rule books themselves. As a general note the master subscription is primarily there for you to share your DDB purchased content with other players. As far as I am aware the subcription does not provide anything apart from the sharing, ad free, and unlimited characters (second two are also part of the Hero sub).
I was under the impression that buying the Hero Tier subscription unlocked the content online (although you still would not get a pdf version unless you paid the additional price). The only time I saw ads on this site was when I tried to access certain content. I assumed, as those were the only ads, it meant those went away and you could access that content online by buying a subscription.
Here is an email I just wrote to your company under the title: "What Did I Buy?"
I just bought a D&D Beyond Hero Tier subscription. Among the items this is supposed to provide is: "this tier removes ads." On another page, it indicates Hero Tier: "Removes all ads from D&D Beyond." Yet, when I click on certain monsters in the monster listings, I still get an ad for a Monster Manual .pdf. Those are the only sorts of ads I've ever seen on here, so I assumed that's to what "this tier removes ads" refers. Is that not the case? Please let me know. Thank you.
I'm thinking, this being Sunday of Labor Day weekend, I might get a quicker answer here on the forums.
Thank you.
So did you JUST get the subsciption, or did you buy any of the rule books themselves. As a general note the master subscription is primarily there for you to share your DDB purchased content with other players. As far as I am aware the subcription does not provide anything apart from the sharing, ad free, and unlimited characters (second two are also part of the Hero sub).
I was under the impression that buying the Hero Tier subscription unlocked the content online (although you still would not get a pdf version unless you paid the additional price). The only time I saw ads on this site was when I tried to access certain content. I assumed, as those were the only ads, it meant those went away and you could access that content online by buying a subscription.
No, the subscriptions do not get you any non-free content.
Also, purchasing content does not give you any PDF. It does give you the content on DDB only.
The ads the subscriptions talk about appear as boxes in the toolset.
Here is an email I just wrote to your company under the title: "What Did I Buy?"
I just bought a D&D Beyond Hero Tier subscription. Among the items this is supposed to provide is: "this tier removes ads." On another page, it indicates Hero Tier: "Removes all ads from D&D Beyond." Yet, when I click on certain monsters in the monster listings, I still get an ad for a Monster Manual .pdf. Those are the only sorts of ads I've ever seen on here, so I assumed that's to what "this tier removes ads" refers. Is that not the case? Please let me know. Thank you.
I'm thinking, this being Sunday of Labor Day weekend, I might get a quicker answer here on the forums.
Thank you.
So did you JUST get the subsciption, or did you buy any of the rule books themselves. As a general note the master subscription is primarily there for you to share your DDB purchased content with other players. As far as I am aware the subcription does not provide anything apart from the sharing, ad free, and unlimited characters (second two are also part of the Hero sub).
I was under the impression that buying the Hero Tier subscription unlocked the content online (although you still would not get a pdf version unless you paid the additional price). The only time I saw ads on this site was when I tried to access certain content. I assumed, as those were the only ads, it meant those went away and you could access that content online by buying a subscription.
No, the subscriptions do not get you any non-free content.
Also, purchasing content does not give you any PDF. It does give you the content on DDB only.
The ads the subscriptions talk about appear as boxes in the toolset.
Alright, thank you for your holiday weekend response.
You know I'm in the camp of people who hate this pricing model but even I'm getting REALLY tired of people bringing it up.
Here's the thing, the "Buy The Books Again" pricing is set by Wizard's of the Coast which is set by their parent company Hasbro. If people want to complain pester the CEO of Hasbro with your complaints. You can bring up all your arguments to him. I'm sure he won't be really receptive, but more importantly you'll be complaining at someone who could actually change the prices. He won't but he could.
You can send him a strongly worded letter as mentioned before. Explain to him how the current pricing scheme places the largest financial burden for digital products on the strongest supporters of the print version of the game and adds an excessive price barrier to individuals who do things like demo the game or support large play groups. You can tell him how the price of digital products is not in parity with the digital offerings of their competition and so it will slow adoption. Heck you can even tell him how you've told all your friends to boycott their products until they change their digital products pricing model.
About a month ago I had a whole bunch more things that were decent strong arguments against this price model too, but I don't remember them now. I forgot them because I have more important things to do than complain about a pricing model that isn't going to change just cause I'm angry about it. Also Mr. Goldner sent me back a form letter thanking me for my feedback and thanking me for the concern. And nothing changed so... yeah. Get used to that price and start keeping an eye out for sales.
The issue of cost is completely out of Curse's control. That much is clear.
I tell you what though... there is a better way. Have a read here for an understanding of what Paizo have implemented this year. What would be lovely is if WOTC adopted a similar system. I doubt it will ever happen. But I feel Paizo have got this right compared to WOTC.
The issue of cost is completely out of Curse's control. That much is clear.
I tell you what though... there is a better way. Have a read here for an understanding of what Paizo have implemented this year. What would be lovely is if WOTC adopted a similar system. I doubt it will ever happen. But I feel Paizo have got this right compared to WOTC.
But I feel Paizo have got this right compared to WOTC.
That is the benefit of Paizo having an outlet through which they sell their products and no one else gets a piece of the "pie" - it would be pretty cool if WotC also ran their own webstore and sold product directly so they could even think about following along Paizo's approach, but it seems like a long-shot at best given they've already made a deal with someone else to run a webstore for them and deals with brick-and-mortar stores to favor those stores over other possible outlets for their products.
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You don't have to buy them separately.
For the low, low price of $29.99, you can purchase the PHB and utilize the site in amazing ways.
OR not buy it at all, choices am I right?
29.99 is not a low, low price for what the product is. 29.99 is a new video game, a new, non redundant, physical d&d book, a copy of burning wheel gold with enough left over to buy a coffee, a box of diapers, baby formula, a dinner for two sans drinks at a moderately priced restaurant. I own all the core books, I am not spending anything on them again. I don't care what quasi-ethical spin you want to put on that.
I don't mind paying a sub covering the development and maintenance of the site. But I'll be damned if I am going to get suckered into paying to just to have more than two feats in a character gen.
I'm loving it. I'm a middle class middle age guy who works at a well paid job. My gaming circle are mostly teenagers - I play with friends and their kids. I've been able to unlock most of the character creation content for them and they're loving it. They would offer me some of our club's money if I'd take it. It would have cost them less than ten bucks each.
Really looking forward to the campaign management tools.
Get together with some friends to play the game and help the guys at Curse earn a crust! They're doing a great job ;-)
Here is an email I just wrote to your company under the title: "What Did I Buy?"
I just bought a D&D Beyond Hero Tier subscription. Among the items this is supposed to provide is: "this tier removes ads." On another page, it indicates Hero Tier: "Removes all ads from D&D Beyond." Yet, when I click on certain monsters in the monster listings, I still get an ad for a Monster Manual .pdf. Those are the only sorts of ads I've ever seen on here, so I assumed that's to what "this tier removes ads" refers. Is that not the case? Please let me know. Thank you.
I'm thinking, this being Sunday of Labor Day weekend, I might get a quicker answer here on the forums.
Thank you.
"Where words fail, swords prevail. Where blood is spilled, my cup is filled" -Cartaphilus
"I have found the answer to the meaning of life. You ask me what the answer is? You already know what the answer to life is. You fear it more than the strike of a viper, the ravages of disease, the ire of a lover. The answer is always death. But death is a gentle mistress with a sweet embrace, and you owe her a debt of restitution. Life is not a gift, it is a loan."
Honestly, even if I owned every single book (I don't, I have half of them) I'd still plunk down the money to get everything here because its just easier for me and in the end my time is worth it. This site is pretty f**king cool and its only going to get better. If you use evernote or one note its simple to port DnDB's version of the adventures over to your notebook and edit it as much as you want. Everything at a touch of the fingertips. No more "hold on" at the table while I pour through first one book then realize it was in another. I can't wait to see where this site goes. It's moved so fast so far. Eventually the things you get at those free sites will all be here, in one place and you won't have three different apps and sites running in the background as you jump from page to page. Just my two cents.
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I fully don't understand some people's logic.
Youre buying another copy of a product in a different format.
Did owning the Tolkien books get you a free movie ticket when they came out? Did it get you the DVD? Did Apple say "oh this person paid to see the movie in the theater, they should download it for free"?
No. Even films that come with physical and digital copies are priced higher than buying either format individually.
A big part of 5e is enticing new players and former player into (re)discovering D&D. If you already own every book, supplement, and spell card: this product may not be being marketed to you.
I played 3/3.5 and had my heart broken by the mechanics of 4e. I walked away from the hobby thinking that my time playing D&D was over. The only physical copy of a 5e book I own is a PHB I bought when invited to guest at a buddies game. DnDBeyond is perfect for me and has inspired me to begin preparing a new campaign of my own.
There're lots of people in the world, not everything is going to be aimed directly at you. If a product doesn't make sense for your wallet, your group, or your situation: don't buy it. The rest of us don't need to hear you humblebrag about how you own soooooo many books you just couldn't possibly show further support in the hobby.
You know I'm in the camp of people who hate this pricing model but even I'm getting REALLY tired of people bringing it up.
Here's the thing, the "Buy The Books Again" pricing is set by Wizard's of the Coast which is set by their parent company Hasbro. If people want to complain pester the CEO of Hasbro with your complaints. You can bring up all your arguments to him. I'm sure he won't be really receptive, but more importantly you'll be complaining at someone who could actually change the prices. He won't but he could.
Here's his contact information.
Email - brian.goldner@hasbro.com
Telephone - 401-431-8697
Website - http://www.hasbro.com
Postal Address - 1027 Newport Ave, Pawtucket, RI, 02861M
You can send him a strongly worded letter as mentioned before. Explain to him how the current pricing scheme places the largest financial burden for digital products on the strongest supporters of the print version of the game and adds an excessive price barrier to individuals who do things like demo the game or support large play groups. You can tell him how the price of digital products is not in parity with the digital offerings of their competition and so it will slow adoption. Heck you can even tell him how you've told all your friends to boycott their products until they change their digital products pricing model.
About a month ago I had a whole bunch more things that were decent strong arguments against this price model too, but I don't remember them now. I forgot them because I have more important things to do than complain about a pricing model that isn't going to change just cause I'm angry about it. Also Mr. Goldner sent me back a form letter thanking me for my feedback and thanking me for the concern. And nothing changed so... yeah. Get used to that price and start keeping an eye out for sales.
This is how we live now.
*slow clap*
The issue of cost is completely out of Curse's control. That much is clear.
I tell you what though... there is a better way. Have a read here for an understanding of what Paizo have implemented this year. What would be lovely is if WOTC adopted a similar system. I doubt it will ever happen. But I feel Paizo have got this right compared to WOTC.
http://www.wolflair.com/blog/2017/02/06/realm-works-content-market/
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