Instead of using a weapon to make a melee attack, you can use a punch, kick, headbutt, or similar forceful blow. In game terms, this is an Unarmed Strike—a melee attack that involves you using your body to damage, grapple, or shove a target within 5 feet of you."
This is really bad writing. It states what unarmed strike is, then says it is more. This is causing a bunch of Dms to think you grapple by rolling to hit. A better wording would be:
"Unarmed Strike
Instead of using a weapon to make a melee attack, you can either use a punch, kick, headbutt, or similar forceful blow to do damage, or a DC contest to control your opponent. In game terms, this is an Unarmed Strike—a melee attack that involves you using your body to damage, grapple, or shove a target within 5 feet of you."
Though realistically I would just rewrite the whole thing. It doesn't make sense as it is written currently. Not sure if this is the place for this post, but link wear it should go if you know better.
That would be redundant. The Unarmed Strike section contains instructions for how to handle damage, grapple, or shove immediately after the part you quoted.
The Unarmed Strike say "Whenever you use your Unarmed Strike, choose one of the following options for its effect." then list the effect of Damage, Grapple or Shove. Some rely on Saving Throw and other on Attack Roll.
I think it's clear enougth but if you believe it need a rewrite for your game feel free to do so.
The Unarmed Strike say "Whenever you use your Unarmed Strike, choose one of the following options for its effect." then list the effect of Damage, Grapple or Shove. Some rely on Saving Throw and other on Attack Roll.
I think it's clear enougth but if you believe it need a rewrite for your game feel free to do so.
This has actually sparked a debate in one of my groups because as far as I can see the rule is you need to make an unarmed strike (so an attack) to trigger grappling whilst one of my players quite reasonably is arguing if the attack is standard for all three effects why does the damage option specifically say you need to make an attack roll, which would imply you don’t make an attack roll for the other two.
Stuff like this is why no one understanding the grapple rules is a meme
The Unarmed Strike say "Whenever you use your Unarmed Strike, choose one of the following options for its effect." then list the effect of Damage, Grapple or Shove. Some rely on Saving Throw and other on Attack Roll.
I think it's clear enougth but if you believe it need a rewrite for your game feel free to do so.
This has actually sparked a debate in one of my groups because as far as I can see the rule is you need to make an unarmed strike (so an attack) to trigger grappling whilst one of my players quite reasonably is arguing if the attack is standard for all three effects why does the damage option specifically say you need to make an attack roll, which would imply you don’t make an attack roll for the other two.
Stuff like this is why no one understanding the grapple rules is a meme
While Unarmed Strike is a melee attack, it's not necessarily to Damage with an Attack Roll, clearly offering other options that are not doing that but to Shove or Grapple with a Saving Throw.
The Grappling rule meme is likely dating from 3E because 5E has simplified it considerably.
TBH lot of debate and confusion often come from people debating rules while misinterpreting or misremembering them when not outright mixing with knowledge of previous editions, unless a rule is written vague enought but i don't think its the case for Unarmed Strike. For example, a debating ground such as the D&D Beyond Forums here don't have a lot of questions on the way Unarmed Strike works, while they can often be one, it doesn't generate pages and pages of posts that other debate do, and this for me is a good indicator that this rule is clear enought. YMMV
"Unarmed Strike
Instead of using a weapon to make a melee attack, you can use a punch, kick, headbutt, or similar forceful blow. In game terms, this is an Unarmed Strike—a melee attack that involves you using your body to damage, grapple, or shove a target within 5 feet of you."
This is really bad writing. It states what unarmed strike is, then says it is more. This is causing a bunch of Dms to think you grapple by rolling to hit. A better wording would be:
"Unarmed Strike
Instead of using a weapon to make a melee attack, you can either use a punch, kick, headbutt, or similar forceful blow to do damage, or a DC contest to control your opponent. In game terms, this is an Unarmed Strike—a melee attack that involves you using your body to damage, grapple, or shove a target within 5 feet of you."
Though realistically I would just rewrite the whole thing. It doesn't make sense as it is written currently. Not sure if this is the place for this post, but link wear it should go if you know better.
That would be redundant. The Unarmed Strike section contains instructions for how to handle damage, grapple, or shove immediately after the part you quoted.
The Unarmed Strike say "Whenever you use your Unarmed Strike, choose one of the following options for its effect." then list the effect of Damage, Grapple or Shove. Some rely on Saving Throw and other on Attack Roll.
I think it's clear enougth but if you believe it need a rewrite for your game feel free to do so.
I really don't see why that's necessary, and mixing flavor text and references to game mechanics in the same sentence like that feels really weird.
For what matters i find 4E Powers had neat way to distinguish them but i disgress;
This has actually sparked a debate in one of my groups because as far as I can see the rule is you need to make an unarmed strike (so an attack) to trigger grappling whilst one of my players quite reasonably is arguing if the attack is standard for all three effects why does the damage option specifically say you need to make an attack roll, which would imply you don’t make an attack roll for the other two.
Stuff like this is why no one understanding the grapple rules is a meme
While Unarmed Strike is a melee attack, it's not necessarily to Damage with an Attack Roll, clearly offering other options that are not doing that but to Shove or Grapple with a Saving Throw.