What annoys me the most about this is that I most likely was going to switch to the 2024 rules ... I just wanted to do so on my own terms and at my own pace. I was hoping I could wait until all three core rulebooks are out, and then maybe wait some more till we get the inevitable errata / sage advice to fix the janky stuff (like the new stealth rules and the fact that the new goliath's Powerful Build feature does nothing as written). But if I want to keep using D&D Beyond, then I've not only got no choice but to switch, I have to put up with an evolving hybrid ruleset for the next six months.
EDIT: That being said, I will wait and see if this gets reversed before deciding whether to vote with my wallet.
Also canceling my subscription unless this change is reversed. My group is not switching to the 2024 rules for our current ongoing campaign and I refuse to go through the extra effort of creating homebrew versions of spells and magic items that I paid for and already exist in the tool as-is. That is an absurd thing to even suggest as a "solution." This is not the backwards compatibility that was promised.
EDIT: That being said, I will wait and see if this gets reversed before deciding whether to vote with my wallet.
If you have a subscription, cancelling it now is part of the way to pressure WotC.
But practically speaking, waiting to see before voting with your wallet (aside from not purchasing new material) allows them to stay the course.
Ultimately a decision we'll all make for ourselves. But did want to point that out. IIRC during the OGL it was DDB subscriptions getting cancelled over it that helped push them to relent.
EDIT: That being said, I will wait and see if this gets reversed before deciding whether to vote with my wallet.
If you have a subscription, cancelling it now is part of the way to pressure WotC.
But practically speaking, waiting to see before voting with your wallet (aside from not purchasing new material) allows them to stay the course.
Ultimately a decision we'll all make for ourselves. But did want to point that out. IIRC during the OGL it was DDB subscriptions getting cancelled over it that helped push them to relent.
Sure. For the record, I didn't cancel my subscription during the OGL fiasco either.
2024 is not the same as 2014 and that is fine, different balancing and theme targets... but let me use what I purchased.
Exactly!
I never expected to get any 5.5 content for free. I was fine and dandy with the idea that I'd have to pay additional money to use anything outside the 5.5 SRD. My group is 5.0, my current Play-by-Post (PBP) DMs intend to stay on 5.0, and I intended to stay on 5.0 for any PBPs I ran.
I even fully supported that people with 5.0 PHB/DMG/MM would not get 5.5 PHB/DMG/MM for free. Seemed reasonable enough to me. Just let me use what I owned and everything was fine.
That's the big issue with this change, removing access to the utility of what I purchased. I and many others are not asking for DDB to do something new. We just want to be able to continue using the functionality we've used with the books we've used. As long as we don't see changes to functionality we're happy campers.
And I also have a feeling that if this change goes live, they're gonna see a lot more angry people. Because this announcement wasn't front-and-center anywhere. So there's a lot of people unaware of what's planned. And when they open their character sheet and start seeing their spells got changed they're gonna ask, "Um... what?"
I hate this. This is what will finally make me unsubscribe.
I already downgraded from master tier because content sharing is blocked on the vtt and now you're forcing us to use content some of us didn't want to buy when we have already double paid for the 2014 versions!
I have always bought the physical and digital versions and now you're deleting them. I'm lucky that I prepared for this kind of horrendous behavior in having the physical copies as back ups but this makes me so mad I don't even want to play any wizards content and if I hadn't already paid for Magic Con this would have made me skip it too.
Poorly done, and after so many of us stayed after the open source fiasco too.
EDIT: Since the retraction I've had mixed feelings. I'm glad that we get to keep content we paid for without being forced into the new system. I now feel like I have more time to finish my Saltmarsh and Waterdeep campaigns but am scared something like this will happen again. So many of my friends have already quit this service and abandoned the games I run because I stick with D&D. I feel like Wizards is so out of touch with their players not to have expected this kind of devastation. I'll be encouraging my players to switch back to paper after this, and I've put a reminder in my calendar of my subscription renewal just in case. Shape up! Your die-hard fans are taking a beating out here!
Retroactively applying new rules to existing characters in ongoing campaigns seems needlessly confusing to me. Especially with <1 months' notice, and with DMs not even having a chance to read the new material before it goes live on character sheets.
Our campaign is winding up and our very last game session will be right after the new rules drop. Now I'm feeling concerned that the session is going to be bogged down with confusion about rules and spells instead of focused on narrative.
Can't you just please make the Spells and Magic Items have a legacy tag as well? This would make it so much easier for our 2014 game. Our home game liked 2014 better and are contented with it. Please don't make this harder for us.
EDIT: That being said, I will wait and see if this gets reversed before deciding whether to vote with my wallet.
If you have a subscription, cancelling it now is part of the way to pressure WotC.
But practically speaking, waiting to see before voting with your wallet (aside from not purchasing new material) allows them to stay the course.
Ultimately a decision we'll all make for ourselves. But did want to point that out. IIRC during the OGL it was DDB subscriptions getting cancelled over it that helped push them to relent.
I did that and hope everyone else concerned with it do it as well, but I'm not hopeful about them changing their mind for that, I unsubscribed for myself, not for them to change.
The OGL thing worked because not only there were plenty of un-subscriptions, but MANY creators stand out to talk about it, since this affected them directly. This new thing will not be the case for creators, it will not affect them. And besides that, WoTC learned their lesson, and now those creators are part of their paycheck, they will never speak against D&D and risk losing money and privileges from WoTC.
The only way it's to hope for the downfall of this company. Hoping for them to make the right thing because a few users are canceling their subscription is hard, they just believe they can simply compensate for that with new users.
Literally the absolute worst handling you could implement. I will Not be using your site any longer against my own wishes because I will Not be implementing your new rules in my campaign. Now I'll have to use a new system entirely because I'm tired of playing this song and dance with you. You are ruining DnD. Thank you so much.
This is an incredibly bad move. My current campaign is not updating to 5.5, we may for our next campaign - but we aren't about to switch rule systems mid-game. Even if folks are planning to try out the new updates, excited even, you can't honestly expect everyone to want to make that switch in the middle of a campaign - so now I'll need to either do an insane amount of work to "Homebrew" everything in a very short amount of time OR go back to pen and paper - which honestly is feeling like the correct call. If I can't have access to the content I paid for, I see no reason to keep paying you.
It does suck to lose access to the spells, but who is actually interested in using the older version of those spells? The vast majority very much needed the changes. Could just treat it as errata, no?
What annoys me the most about this is that I most likely was going to switch to the 2024 rules ... I just wanted to do so on my own terms and at my own pace. I was hoping I could wait until all three core rulebooks are out, and then maybe wait some more till we get the inevitable errata / sage advice to fix the janky stuff (like the new stealth rules and the fact that the new goliath's Powerful Build feature does nothing as written). But if I want to keep using D&D Beyond, then I've not only got no choice but to switch, I have to put up with an evolving hybrid ruleset for the next six months.
EDIT: That being said, I will wait and see if this gets reversed before deciding whether to vote with my wallet.
Also canceling my subscription unless this change is reversed. My group is not switching to the 2024 rules for our current ongoing campaign and I refuse to go through the extra effort of creating homebrew versions of spells and magic items that I paid for and already exist in the tool as-is. That is an absurd thing to even suggest as a "solution." This is not the backwards compatibility that was promised.
If you have a subscription, cancelling it now is part of the way to pressure WotC.
But practically speaking, waiting to see before voting with your wallet (aside from not purchasing new material) allows them to stay the course.
Ultimately a decision we'll all make for ourselves. But did want to point that out. IIRC during the OGL it was DDB subscriptions getting cancelled over it that helped push them to relent.
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Sure. For the record, I didn't cancel my subscription during the OGL fiasco either.
Yeah put me with the others here... I wanted to have both 2024 and 2014 S separate entities so I could swap between them at will.
2024 is not the same as 2014 and that is fine, different balancing and theme targets... but let me use what I purchased.
Exactly!
I never expected to get any 5.5 content for free. I was fine and dandy with the idea that I'd have to pay additional money to use anything outside the 5.5 SRD. My group is 5.0, my current Play-by-Post (PBP) DMs intend to stay on 5.0, and I intended to stay on 5.0 for any PBPs I ran.
I even fully supported that people with 5.0 PHB/DMG/MM would not get 5.5 PHB/DMG/MM for free. Seemed reasonable enough to me. Just let me use what I owned and everything was fine.
That's the big issue with this change, removing access to the utility of what I purchased. I and many others are not asking for DDB to do something new. We just want to be able to continue using the functionality we've used with the books we've used. As long as we don't see changes to functionality we're happy campers.
And I also have a feeling that if this change goes live, they're gonna see a lot more angry people. Because this announcement wasn't front-and-center anywhere. So there's a lot of people unaware of what's planned. And when they open their character sheet and start seeing their spells got changed they're gonna ask, "Um... what?"
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Silverwood Group 1 | Silverwood Group 2
Get rickrolled here. Awesome music here. Track 52, 12/23/25, O Holy Night
I hate this. This is what will finally make me unsubscribe.
I already downgraded from master tier because content sharing is blocked on the vtt and now you're forcing us to use content some of us didn't want to buy when we have already double paid for the 2014 versions!
I have always bought the physical and digital versions and now you're deleting them. I'm lucky that I prepared for this kind of horrendous behavior in having the physical copies as back ups but this makes me so mad I don't even want to play any wizards content and if I hadn't already paid for Magic Con this would have made me skip it too.
Poorly done, and after so many of us stayed after the open source fiasco too.
EDIT: Since the retraction I've had mixed feelings. I'm glad that we get to keep content we paid for without being forced into the new system. I now feel like I have more time to finish my Saltmarsh and Waterdeep campaigns but am scared something like this will happen again. So many of my friends have already quit this service and abandoned the games I run because I stick with D&D. I feel like Wizards is so out of touch with their players not to have expected this kind of devastation. I'll be encouraging my players to switch back to paper after this, and I've put a reminder in my calendar of my subscription renewal just in case. Shape up! Your die-hard fans are taking a beating out here!
Retroactively applying new rules to existing characters in ongoing campaigns seems needlessly confusing to me. Especially with <1 months' notice, and with DMs not even having a chance to read the new material before it goes live on character sheets.
Our campaign is winding up and our very last game session will be right after the new rules drop. Now I'm feeling concerned that the session is going to be bogged down with confusion about rules and spells instead of focused on narrative.
Can't you just please make the Spells and Magic Items have a legacy tag as well? This would make it so much easier for our 2014 game. Our home game liked 2014 better and are contented with it. Please don't make this harder for us.
I did that and hope everyone else concerned with it do it as well, but I'm not hopeful about them changing their mind for that, I unsubscribed for myself, not for them to change.
The OGL thing worked because not only there were plenty of un-subscriptions, but MANY creators stand out to talk about it, since this affected them directly.
This new thing will not be the case for creators, it will not affect them. And besides that, WoTC learned their lesson, and now those creators are part of their paycheck, they will never speak against D&D and risk losing money and privileges from WoTC.
The only way it's to hope for the downfall of this company. Hoping for them to make the right thing because a few users are canceling their subscription is hard, they just believe they can simply compensate for that with new users.
Seriously thanks for the gigantic **** you Hasbro. At least buy me a drink next time will you?
Literally the absolute worst handling you could implement. I will Not be using your site any longer against my own wishes because I will Not be implementing your new rules in my campaign. Now I'll have to use a new system entirely because I'm tired of playing this song and dance with you. You are ruining DnD. Thank you so much.
This is an incredibly bad move. My current campaign is not updating to 5.5, we may for our next campaign - but we aren't about to switch rule systems mid-game. Even if folks are planning to try out the new updates, excited even, you can't honestly expect everyone to want to make that switch in the middle of a campaign - so now I'll need to either do an insane amount of work to "Homebrew" everything in a very short amount of time OR go back to pen and paper - which honestly is feeling like the correct call. If I can't have access to the content I paid for, I see no reason to keep paying you.
Are they just trying to tell us to homebrew all of their paid for content and never buy from them again? because thats what it sounds like to me
Yep, cancelled subscription and voting with feet.
Lets see what the future holds.
how can i refund my book? i dont see any value in keeping it anymore.
i want to use the version of the stuff i paid for
If this goes live, I will be unsubscribing and not purchasing any more digital content.
Removing functionality from purchased content is akin to taking away a digital movie, song, or television show I purchased. Completely unacceptable.
Just goes to show, you can’t trust any digital media company. “You’ll own nothing and be happy.” 😡
If you have a subscription, cancelling it now is part of the way to pressure WotC.