So I was looking at a homebrew race for a friend of mine and they said they would like to play a fiend in my campaign, so I came across this succubus race it seems highly rated but looking at it has my qeastioning it's strength,
Dex +1 Cha +2
Resistance to fire and posion
Vulnerable to radiant
Fly speed of 60ft
Proficiency with Persuasion and Deception.
Shapechanging
And the one I feel like might cause problems
"You know the draining kiss cantrip. When you reach 2nd level, you can cast the charm personspell as a 1st-level spell once with this trait and regain the ability to do so when you finish a long rest. When you reach 7th level, you can cast the polymorphspell once with this trait and regain the ability to do so when you finish a long rest. Charisma is your spellcasting ability for these spells."
Is this as op as it sounds to me or am I simply overreacting to a strong chacter
Even without the last feature is seems to have problems
1. Flying speed is REALLY STRONG. The old aaracokra had a 50 ft flying speed, and most tables banned that on its own despite its only other ability being a natural weapon. And the free HB Draining Kiss cantrip is better than the natural weapon alone. Flying speed is powerful for a race to give freely, especially at that high of a speed
2. Comparing it 1 to 1 with changeling presents issues. Changeling gets shapechange, 2 skills, and... Well thats about it. This gets shapechange, 2 skills, increased speed, extra spells, resistance to 2 fairly common damages. Its pretty clearly just a huge upgrade. Some may argue that radiant vulnerability makes up for the res, but radiant is a rare damage type.
Its definitely not the most OP race Ive seen, but its certainly going to be stronger than most other players if they use official races
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Yeah no that's broken. I would drop the polymorph and the flying speed. The homebrew cantrip is also very powerful. The fire resistance is okay, but combined with poison resistance might be a little too much. Additionally, shapechanging is pretty powerful. There's a reason why the changeling pretty much just gets some extra skills.
Yeah no that's broken. I would drop the polymorph and the flying speed. The homebrew cantrip is also very powerful. The fire resistance is okay, but combined with poison resistance might be a little too much.
Id perhaps replace the cantrip with the Friends cantrip?
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Yeah no that's broken. I would drop the polymorph and the flying speed. The homebrew cantrip is also very powerful. The fire resistance is okay, but combined with poison resistance might be a little too much.
Id perhaps replace the cantrip with the Friends cantrip?
That could work. I think there's a thread somewhere here about potential uses for the friends cantrip. I'd recommend having a look at the PHB races for reference on balance.
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So I was looking at a homebrew race for a friend of mine and they said they would like to play a fiend in my campaign, so I came across this succubus race it seems highly rated but looking at it has my qeastioning it's strength,
Dex +1 Cha +2
Resistance to fire and posion
Vulnerable to radiant
Fly speed of 60ft
Proficiency with Persuasion and Deception.
Shapechanging
And the one I feel like might cause problems
"You know the draining kiss cantrip. When you reach 2nd level, you can cast the charm person spell as a 1st-level spell once with this trait and regain the ability to do so when you finish a long rest. When you reach 7th level, you can cast the polymorph spell once with this trait and regain the ability to do so when you finish a long rest. Charisma is your spellcasting ability for these spells."
Is this as op as it sounds to me or am I simply overreacting to a strong chacter
All advice will help. Thank you
Even without the last feature is seems to have problems
1. Flying speed is REALLY STRONG. The old aaracokra had a 50 ft flying speed, and most tables banned that on its own despite its only other ability being a natural weapon. And the free HB Draining Kiss cantrip is better than the natural weapon alone. Flying speed is powerful for a race to give freely, especially at that high of a speed
2. Comparing it 1 to 1 with changeling presents issues. Changeling gets shapechange, 2 skills, and... Well thats about it. This gets shapechange, 2 skills, increased speed, extra spells, resistance to 2 fairly common damages. Its pretty clearly just a huge upgrade. Some may argue that radiant vulnerability makes up for the res, but radiant is a rare damage type.
Its definitely not the most OP race Ive seen, but its certainly going to be stronger than most other players if they use official races
NNCHRIS: SOUL THIEF, MASTER OF THE ARCANE, AND KING OF NEW YORKNN
Gdl Creator of Ilheia and her Knights of the Fallen Stars ldG
Lesser Student of Technomancy [undergrad student in computer science]
Supporter of the 2014 rules, and a MASSIVE Homebrewer. Come to me all ye who seek salvation in wording thy brews!
Open to homebrew trades at any time!! Or feel free to request HB, and Ill see if I can get it done for ya!
Characters (Outdated)
Yeah no that's broken. I would drop the polymorph and the flying speed. The homebrew cantrip is also very powerful. The fire resistance is okay, but combined with poison resistance might be a little too much. Additionally, shapechanging is pretty powerful. There's a reason why the changeling pretty much just gets some extra skills.
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Id perhaps replace the cantrip with the Friends cantrip?
NNCHRIS: SOUL THIEF, MASTER OF THE ARCANE, AND KING OF NEW YORKNN
Gdl Creator of Ilheia and her Knights of the Fallen Stars ldG
Lesser Student of Technomancy [undergrad student in computer science]
Supporter of the 2014 rules, and a MASSIVE Homebrewer. Come to me all ye who seek salvation in wording thy brews!
Open to homebrew trades at any time!! Or feel free to request HB, and Ill see if I can get it done for ya!
Characters (Outdated)
That could work. I think there's a thread somewhere here about potential uses for the friends cantrip. I'd recommend having a look at the PHB races for reference on balance.
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