Flat vs Rolled Blood Tax — Which Should Your Table Run?
The v8.0.0 vote is ongoing, and a fair number of you have asked some version of "okay, but which one is better?" Honest answer: neither. They're the same cost paid in different currencies, and which currency your table prefers is a temperament question. Here's the full side-by-side so you can pick deliberately.
First, What's Identical
Everything except the moment you pay. Same features, same tiers, same 1:3 ratio (T2 = 3× T1), same Overload Mastery, same psychic-resistance halving. And — this is the engineered part — the same average cost. One flat unit is PB; one rolled unit is your base MS die, and those track within ~1.5 at every level band. Over a campaign, both Vanguards pay roughly the same total HP for their power. The difference is entirely in the shape of the payment.
The Case for Flat (Mainline)
Absolute predictability. Before you declare, you know the exact cost. "Can I afford this turn?" has a yes/no answer, every time. The L15 sequence tables aren't estimates — 8×PB means exactly 40, plan around it to the hit point.
You cannot accidentally kill yourself. This is the big one. With flat tax, a Vanguard at 20 HP knows a T2 Overload costs exactly 15 and declares it with certainty of survival. Blood Tax debt is a price you read off a menu, never a debt collector showing up with a surprise.
Zero added table time. A nova turn already involves attack rolls, damage dice, saves, and rider dice. Flat BT adds no rolls at all. Over a session, that's real minutes.
Stable attrition for the DM. Encounter budgeting around a flat-tax Vanguard is arithmetic.
The Case for Rolled (v7.18.0A)
The fantasy is felt, not bookkept. This is a class about tearing yourself open for power. With flat tax, the recoil is a subtraction. With rolled tax, it's an event — the whole table watches the dice to see how badly you hurt yourself. Sometimes you push past your limits and walk away clean. Sometimes you don't. That's the throttle made visceral.
Sometimes the gamble pays. About one turn in eight, a 3d10 Tier 2 tax comes in at 10 or under — cheaper than the flat 15. Variance cuts both ways, and the cheap rolls feel great.
Every Overload is a decision with stakes. Flat tax answers "is this worth it?" once, in the abstract. Rolled tax makes you re-ask it at the table, at your current HP, with your gut involved.
The Number That Decides It
Here's the same declaration under both rules. Level 15 Vanguard, 20 HP remaining, declares one T2 Overload:
Flat: costs exactly 15. You survive with 5 HP, guaranteed. You knew that before you rolled.
Rolled: costs 3d10 (3–30, avg 16.5). Roughly 28% of the time — better than 1 in 4 — that roll comes in at 20+ and drops you. The same declaration that's mathematically safe under flat is a genuine coin-flip-adjacent gamble under rolled.
That's the whole choice, compressed: under flat tax, "suiciding via Blood Tax debt" is impossible by inspection. Under rolled tax, it's a live possibility you manage with judgment and luck. Whether that 28% reads as thrilling or unacceptable tells you which version your table should run.
One more data point: below level 10 the two systems are nearly indistinguishable (1d4 vs flat 2–3, no T2 yet). The fork only matters in tier 3+ play, when the dice get big and the novas get greedy.
A Suggestion
If you're unsure: run rolled for one session at level 11+, with at least one desperate low-HP Overload decision in it. You'll know within an hour which game you're playing. Then come tell the thread — session reports are what decide the v8.0.0 promotion, and "we tried both" posts are worth their weight in gold.
Spotted a layout slip on the Cryokinesis player sheet: Overload Mastery II and Inner Reserve had wandered into the middle of the Cryo discipline block instead of sitting at the end of the Advanced Training list like they do on the other sheets. They're back where they belong. Nothing mechanical changed anywhere — all five docs bumped to v7.18.2 purely for version cleanliness.
Small, surgical nerf. Barrier was too juicy a pick, and the culprit was one specific clause on its Tier 2.
The Change
Before: Barrier T2 raised the duration to 10 minutes and let you spend a bonus action each round to swap one active effect for another, free of Psi and Blood Tax.
After: T2 still raises the duration to 10 minutes and still carries two effects (inherited from T1) — but those effects lock in once Barrier is active. No more mid-combat swapping.
Why
The swap clause quietly turned Barrier into an always-correct defense. Caster comes out swinging? Bonus-action into Spellward. Now they switch to weapons? Swap to Blade Shield. Grappler closes in? Steadfast Guard. One pick was answering every threat in the encounter, re-tuning itself round by round for zero cost. That's more than a single Advanced Training slot should do — it was crowding out the actual decision the feature is supposed to pose: read the fight, pick your two, commit.
Locking the effects restores that decision. You still choose the right two for the situation when you cast Barrier — you just have to read the room at cast time instead of hot-swapping after the fact. T2 remains a clear upgrade over T1 (double duration, same two effects); it's just no longer a Swiss-army shield.
Nothing else changed. No other feature touched, no Blood Tax math altered.
Both Tracks Updated
This change ships to both rule tracks — mainline (flat Blood Tax, now v7.18.3) and the rolled-Blood-Tax variant (now v7.18.3A). The variant's Blood Tax rules are untouched; it just inherits the Barrier fix like everything else. The player sheets and DMQR serve both tracks as always.
The flat-vs-rolled v8.0.0 vote stays open — this patch doesn't tip it either way.
Kinetic Vanguard v7.18.4 — Barrier T2 Swap Restored (Now With a Cost)
You asked, and here's the compromise. Two patches back I hard-locked Barrier's Tier 2 effects. You pushed back. So it's getting un-locked — but it's not free anymore.
Two-Patch Quick Recap
v7.18.3: Barrier T2 lost its mid-combat effect swap entirely. The two effects locked in once Barrier was active.
v7.18.4 (now): The swap is back. While Barrier is active, you can use a bonus action to replace one of your chosen effects with a different one from the list. Each swap costs psychic self-damage equal to a Tier 1 Overload's Blood Tax — your Proficiency Bonus on the flat track, one base Manifested Strike die on the rolled track.
The 10-minute duration and the two carried effects are unchanged. Same action economy as the original swap; the only new thing is the price tag.
On the Fast Turnaround
I want to be upfront about the whiplash here, because some of you noticed: a hard nerf in .3, a partial walk-back in .4, two patches apart. That's not indecision — that's the development loop working as intended. Fail fast. Ship a change, watch how the table reacts, correct. The hard lock was a real hypothesis (that the swap was the problem), and your feedback was real data (that the swap wasn't the problem — the free part was). Better to find that out in two days of patches than to sit on a half-baked version for a month "to look decisive." The version number is cheap. Your play experience isn't. I'd rather iterate in public and get it right than guard a wrong answer.
Why a Cost Instead of a Lock
The original swap was an always-correct defense: bonus-action into whatever resistance the current threat demanded, round after round, for zero cost. That's too much for one Advanced Training slot. But the hard lock over-corrected — it killed the adaptability that made Barrier interesting, not just the part that made it broken.
A cost fixes the real problem. Swapping now hurts, so you don't do it reflexively every round — but when the fight genuinely turns and you need to re-tune, the option's there for a price you can pay. That keeps the decision live instead of removing it.
Why T1 Blood Tax and not T2: T2 (3×PB / 3 dice) was on the table, and playtesters called it too punishing for a defensive utility — you'd never pay 15 HP at level 15 just to swap a resistance. T1 (PB / 1 die) is enough to make a swap a real choice without making it a trap.
Important interaction: the swap cost is not an Overload, so Overload Mastery does not waive it. No free swaps on your nova turn. This was deliberate — otherwise the OM turn becomes "swap to everything for free," and we're right back where we started.
Both Tracks
Ships to both rule tracks: mainline flat (v7.18.4) and the rolled-Blood-Tax variant (v7.18.4A). The variant's underlying Blood Tax rules are untouched; it just inherits the Barrier change with the cost expressed in dice. The flat-vs-rolled v8.0.0 vote stays open — this patch is track-neutral and doesn't tip it.
Kinetic Vanguard v7.18.5 — Barrier T2, Final Cost Pass
Last Barrier patch for a good while. v7.18.4 put a price on the Tier 2 effect swap; this tightens that price to where it actually bites, and then Barrier goes quiet.
The Change
Barrier T2's mid-combat swap now costs 1 Psi point in addition to the Tier 1 Blood Tax it already cost. So each swap is 1 Psi + T1 Blood Tax (your Proficiency Bonus on the flat track, one base Manifested Strike die on the rolled track). Everything else about Barrier T2 is unchanged — 10-minute duration, two carried effects, bonus action to swap.
Why Add Psi
When I priced the swap at Blood Tax only in v7.18.4, I had it half-right. Here's the hole: at the levels where you actually have Barrier (15+), the Tier 1 Blood Tax is tiny relative to your hit point bar — 5-ish HP at level 15, a near rounding error on a Fighter. A cost you don't feel isn't a cost; it's flavor text. You'd still swap every round because why not.
Psi is the fix because Psi is the resource the whole subclass is built to keep scarce — no in-combat recovery, a pool you're constantly rationing between Overloads, Deflection Screens, and your riders. Spending 1 Psi on a Barrier swap means not spending it on offense or defense that round. That's a real decision, and it's the same kind of decision Kinetic Vanguard asks you to make everywhere else. It also closes a gap the HP-only cost left open: a tanky, high-HP build could shrug off the Blood Tax indefinitely. Nobody shrugs off Psi.
The two halves are priced independently and that matters for one interaction: Overload Mastery still does not waive the Blood Tax (it's not an Overload), and the 1 Psi is always spent regardless of OM. So even on your nova turn, swapping isn't free. That was deliberate — a free-swap OM turn would put us right back at the always-correct defense this whole arc was about removing.
Why This Is the Last One
Three patches in a row touched Barrier T2: a hard lock (.3), a Blood Tax cost (.4), and now a Psi cost (.5). I want to be clear that's a mechanic settling, not thrashing — each step moved less than the one before, and we've now taxed every axis a swap can be taxed on: the scarce resource, the health bar, and the action economy (it's always been a bonus action). There's nothing left to add without crossing from "priced" into "punished," and punishing a feature you paid an Advanced Training slot and 3 Psi to have would be bad design.
So this is the resting point. Barrier T2 gives you adaptable defense that costs real resources to re-tune — available and useful, but never reflexive. If it still reads as a problem after tables run it, the answer won't be a v7.18.6 nerf; it'll be a ground-up reconsideration of the feature. But I don't expect that. This feels right.
Both Tracks
Ships to mainline flat (v7.18.5) and the rolled variant (v7.18.5A). The variant's Blood Tax rules are untouched; it just expresses the cost in dice. The flat-vs-rolled v8.0.0 vote stays open and this patch is track-neutral.
Flat vs Rolled Blood Tax — Which Should Your Table Run?
The v8.0.0 vote is ongoing, and a fair number of you have asked some version of "okay, but which one is better?" Honest answer: neither. They're the same cost paid in different currencies, and which currency your table prefers is a temperament question. Here's the full side-by-side so you can pick deliberately.
First, What's Identical
Everything except the moment you pay. Same features, same tiers, same 1:3 ratio (T2 = 3× T1), same Overload Mastery, same psychic-resistance halving. And — this is the engineered part — the same average cost. One flat unit is PB; one rolled unit is your base MS die, and those track within ~1.5 at every level band. Over a campaign, both Vanguards pay roughly the same total HP for their power. The difference is entirely in the shape of the payment.
The Case for Flat (Mainline)
Absolute predictability. Before you declare, you know the exact cost. "Can I afford this turn?" has a yes/no answer, every time. The L15 sequence tables aren't estimates — 8×PB means exactly 40, plan around it to the hit point.
You cannot accidentally kill yourself. This is the big one. With flat tax, a Vanguard at 20 HP knows a T2 Overload costs exactly 15 and declares it with certainty of survival. Blood Tax debt is a price you read off a menu, never a debt collector showing up with a surprise.
Zero added table time. A nova turn already involves attack rolls, damage dice, saves, and rider dice. Flat BT adds no rolls at all. Over a session, that's real minutes.
Stable attrition for the DM. Encounter budgeting around a flat-tax Vanguard is arithmetic.
The Case for Rolled (v7.18.0A)
The fantasy is felt, not bookkept. This is a class about tearing yourself open for power. With flat tax, the recoil is a subtraction. With rolled tax, it's an event — the whole table watches the dice to see how badly you hurt yourself. Sometimes you push past your limits and walk away clean. Sometimes you don't. That's the throttle made visceral.
Sometimes the gamble pays. About one turn in eight, a 3d10 Tier 2 tax comes in at 10 or under — cheaper than the flat 15. Variance cuts both ways, and the cheap rolls feel great.
Every Overload is a decision with stakes. Flat tax answers "is this worth it?" once, in the abstract. Rolled tax makes you re-ask it at the table, at your current HP, with your gut involved.
The Number That Decides It
Here's the same declaration under both rules. Level 15 Vanguard, 20 HP remaining, declares one T2 Overload:
That's the whole choice, compressed: under flat tax, "suiciding via Blood Tax debt" is impossible by inspection. Under rolled tax, it's a live possibility you manage with judgment and luck. Whether that 28% reads as thrilling or unacceptable tells you which version your table should run.
One more data point: below level 10 the two systems are nearly indistinguishable (1d4 vs flat 2–3, no T2 yet). The fork only matters in tier 3+ play, when the dice get big and the novas get greedy.
A Suggestion
If you're unsure: run rolled for one session at level 11+, with at least one desperate low-HP Overload decision in it. You'll know within an hour which game you're playing. Then come tell the thread — session reports are what decide the v8.0.0 promotion, and "we tried both" posts are worth their weight in gold.
Mainline v7.18.1 (flat) · v7.18.0A (rolled) · The player sheets and DMQR serve both rules.
Kinetic Vanguard by NixNinja. © 2024–present. Free for non-commercial use with credit.
Kinetic Vanguard v7.18.2 — Quick Fix
Spotted a layout slip on the Cryokinesis player sheet: Overload Mastery II and Inner Reserve had wandered into the middle of the Cryo discipline block instead of sitting at the end of the Advanced Training list like they do on the other sheets. They're back where they belong. Nothing mechanical changed anywhere — all five docs bumped to v7.18.2 purely for version cleanliness.
The v8.0.0 flat-vs-rolled trial continues — v7.18.0A pairs with these sheets as before.
Kinetic Vanguard by NixNinja. © 2024–present.
Kinetic Vanguard v7.18.3 — Barrier T2 Toned Down
Small, surgical nerf. Barrier was too juicy a pick, and the culprit was one specific clause on its Tier 2.
The Change
Before: Barrier T2 raised the duration to 10 minutes and let you spend a bonus action each round to swap one active effect for another, free of Psi and Blood Tax.
After: T2 still raises the duration to 10 minutes and still carries two effects (inherited from T1) — but those effects lock in once Barrier is active. No more mid-combat swapping.
Why
The swap clause quietly turned Barrier into an always-correct defense. Caster comes out swinging? Bonus-action into Spellward. Now they switch to weapons? Swap to Blade Shield. Grappler closes in? Steadfast Guard. One pick was answering every threat in the encounter, re-tuning itself round by round for zero cost. That's more than a single Advanced Training slot should do — it was crowding out the actual decision the feature is supposed to pose: read the fight, pick your two, commit.
Locking the effects restores that decision. You still choose the right two for the situation when you cast Barrier — you just have to read the room at cast time instead of hot-swapping after the fact. T2 remains a clear upgrade over T1 (double duration, same two effects); it's just no longer a Swiss-army shield.
Nothing else changed. No other feature touched, no Blood Tax math altered.
Both Tracks Updated
This change ships to both rule tracks — mainline (flat Blood Tax, now v7.18.3) and the rolled-Blood-Tax variant (now v7.18.3A). The variant's Blood Tax rules are untouched; it just inherits the Barrier fix like everything else. The player sheets and DMQR serve both tracks as always.
The flat-vs-rolled v8.0.0 vote stays open — this patch doesn't tip it either way.
Documents
Previous patch: v7.18.2 (Cryo sheet layout fix).
Kinetic Vanguard by NixNinja. © 2024–present. Free for non-commercial use with credit.
Kinetic Vanguard v7.18.4 — Barrier T2 Swap Restored (Now With a Cost)
You asked, and here's the compromise. Two patches back I hard-locked Barrier's Tier 2 effects. You pushed back. So it's getting un-locked — but it's not free anymore.
Two-Patch Quick Recap
The 10-minute duration and the two carried effects are unchanged. Same action economy as the original swap; the only new thing is the price tag.
On the Fast Turnaround
I want to be upfront about the whiplash here, because some of you noticed: a hard nerf in .3, a partial walk-back in .4, two patches apart. That's not indecision — that's the development loop working as intended. Fail fast. Ship a change, watch how the table reacts, correct. The hard lock was a real hypothesis (that the swap was the problem), and your feedback was real data (that the swap wasn't the problem — the free part was). Better to find that out in two days of patches than to sit on a half-baked version for a month "to look decisive." The version number is cheap. Your play experience isn't. I'd rather iterate in public and get it right than guard a wrong answer.
Why a Cost Instead of a Lock
The original swap was an always-correct defense: bonus-action into whatever resistance the current threat demanded, round after round, for zero cost. That's too much for one Advanced Training slot. But the hard lock over-corrected — it killed the adaptability that made Barrier interesting, not just the part that made it broken.
A cost fixes the real problem. Swapping now hurts, so you don't do it reflexively every round — but when the fight genuinely turns and you need to re-tune, the option's there for a price you can pay. That keeps the decision live instead of removing it.
Why T1 Blood Tax and not T2: T2 (3×PB / 3 dice) was on the table, and playtesters called it too punishing for a defensive utility — you'd never pay 15 HP at level 15 just to swap a resistance. T1 (PB / 1 die) is enough to make a swap a real choice without making it a trap.
Important interaction: the swap cost is not an Overload, so Overload Mastery does not waive it. No free swaps on your nova turn. This was deliberate — otherwise the OM turn becomes "swap to everything for free," and we're right back where we started.
Both Tracks
Ships to both rule tracks: mainline flat (v7.18.4) and the rolled-Blood-Tax variant (v7.18.4A). The variant's underlying Blood Tax rules are untouched; it just inherits the Barrier change with the cost expressed in dice. The flat-vs-rolled v8.0.0 vote stays open — this patch is track-neutral and doesn't tip it.
Documents
Keep the session reports coming — that feedback is exactly what turned .3 into .4.
Kinetic Vanguard by NixNinja. © 2024–present. Free for non-commercial use with credit.
Kinetic Vanguard v7.18.5 — Barrier T2, Final Cost Pass
Last Barrier patch for a good while. v7.18.4 put a price on the Tier 2 effect swap; this tightens that price to where it actually bites, and then Barrier goes quiet.
The Change
Barrier T2's mid-combat swap now costs 1 Psi point in addition to the Tier 1 Blood Tax it already cost. So each swap is 1 Psi + T1 Blood Tax (your Proficiency Bonus on the flat track, one base Manifested Strike die on the rolled track). Everything else about Barrier T2 is unchanged — 10-minute duration, two carried effects, bonus action to swap.
Why Add Psi
When I priced the swap at Blood Tax only in v7.18.4, I had it half-right. Here's the hole: at the levels where you actually have Barrier (15+), the Tier 1 Blood Tax is tiny relative to your hit point bar — 5-ish HP at level 15, a near rounding error on a Fighter. A cost you don't feel isn't a cost; it's flavor text. You'd still swap every round because why not.
Psi is the fix because Psi is the resource the whole subclass is built to keep scarce — no in-combat recovery, a pool you're constantly rationing between Overloads, Deflection Screens, and your riders. Spending 1 Psi on a Barrier swap means not spending it on offense or defense that round. That's a real decision, and it's the same kind of decision Kinetic Vanguard asks you to make everywhere else. It also closes a gap the HP-only cost left open: a tanky, high-HP build could shrug off the Blood Tax indefinitely. Nobody shrugs off Psi.
The two halves are priced independently and that matters for one interaction: Overload Mastery still does not waive the Blood Tax (it's not an Overload), and the 1 Psi is always spent regardless of OM. So even on your nova turn, swapping isn't free. That was deliberate — a free-swap OM turn would put us right back at the always-correct defense this whole arc was about removing.
Why This Is the Last One
Three patches in a row touched Barrier T2: a hard lock (.3), a Blood Tax cost (.4), and now a Psi cost (.5). I want to be clear that's a mechanic settling, not thrashing — each step moved less than the one before, and we've now taxed every axis a swap can be taxed on: the scarce resource, the health bar, and the action economy (it's always been a bonus action). There's nothing left to add without crossing from "priced" into "punished," and punishing a feature you paid an Advanced Training slot and 3 Psi to have would be bad design.
So this is the resting point. Barrier T2 gives you adaptable defense that costs real resources to re-tune — available and useful, but never reflexive. If it still reads as a problem after tables run it, the answer won't be a v7.18.6 nerf; it'll be a ground-up reconsideration of the feature. But I don't expect that. This feels right.
Both Tracks
Ships to mainline flat (v7.18.5) and the rolled variant (v7.18.5A). The variant's Blood Tax rules are untouched; it just expresses the cost in dice. The flat-vs-rolled v8.0.0 vote stays open and this patch is track-neutral.
Documents
Barrier's done for now — back to the table. Session reports welcome as always.
Kinetic Vanguard by NixNinja. © 2024–present. Free for non-commercial use with credit.