""You stop being hidden immediately after any of the following occurs: you make a sound louder than a whisper, an enemy finds you, you make an attack roll, or you cast a spell with a Verbal component."
2014 rules used to have a feat that allowed an archer to remain hidden if they missed on an attack roll. The idea being your bow/arrow was quiet enough, and if no one was actually hit, then no one noticed the arrow go into the woods, or at least didnt see where it came from.
That option seems to be removed for martial builds.
However, if you are a spellcaster with subtle metamagic you can concievably cast a spell like fireball with subtle metamagic, from a hidden position, and remain hidden even though the spell description says: "A bright streak flashes from your pointing finger to a point you choose within range"
If the whish of an arrow and its blur through the air is enough to auto-reveal your hidden position, then any spell description that includes a beam of energy, a bolt of lightning, or any other visible phenomenon that starts from the caster's position and streaks to the target, should also give their position away.
Raulothim's Psychic Lance says "You unleash a shimmering lance of psychic power from your forehead at a creature that you can see within range." Its an int saving throw, not an attack roll, so concievably one could cast it with subtle metamagic, and RAW would not auto-reveal a hidden sorcerer...
From 2024 rules for hide action:
""You stop being hidden immediately after any of the following occurs: you make a sound louder than a whisper, an enemy finds you, you make an attack roll, or you cast a spell with a Verbal component."
2014 rules used to have a feat that allowed an archer to remain hidden if they missed on an attack roll. The idea being your bow/arrow was quiet enough, and if no one was actually hit, then no one noticed the arrow go into the woods, or at least didnt see where it came from.
That option seems to be removed for martial builds.
However, if you are a spellcaster with subtle metamagic you can concievably cast a spell like fireball with subtle metamagic, from a hidden position, and remain hidden even though the spell description says: "A bright streak flashes from your pointing finger to a point you choose within range"
If the whish of an arrow and its blur through the air is enough to auto-reveal your hidden position, then any spell description that includes a beam of energy, a bolt of lightning, or any other visible phenomenon that starts from the caster's position and streaks to the target, should also give their position away.
Raulothim's Psychic Lance says "You unleash a shimmering lance of psychic power from your forehead at a creature that you can see within range." Its an int saving throw, not an attack roll, so concievably one could cast it with subtle metamagic, and RAW would not auto-reveal a hidden sorcerer...
Common sense is always to be used. It is a loophole, not the only one.