Muir coughs to bring attention to a point "Quite possibly Sam but, correct me if I am wrong elders, but Nivara is on a flying beast...I think it is more concealing said army and not transporting them. If she were to fly down with a gargantuan sized monster fielding an undead army, surely everyone would see causing alarm. She is missing some.....thing....." Muir stops there keeping his eyes affixed to the wall, making eye contact with no one "She has the army but not the power...."
"an Astral Dreadnaught, Lumithor called it a remnant of the time before realms, but I don't know what that means. Either way a creature capable of flight and big enough to be called massive even by an adult dragon." Serafina adds.
"Either way it is not her mobility that has stopped her." Kohso states, before continuing, attempting to draw a plan "I fear that understanding nivara's machinations may be beyond our understanding without a fuller picture. Though we have a plan, we will ready those who can fight here, prepare ourselves to be of help when the time comes. If you all can act as ambassadors of truth and inform Shenoh, then she will hopefully set precedent for the other djinni and we will take the whole realm to war with nivara. If you agree to this then take your time to prepare here, we can offer rations for the trip, you can rest and cure your lingering ailments from your fight against the corrupt in the caves, and then when you are ready. Find Ömertyr and take your message to Shenoh. Is this acceptable?"
Elthana gives the slightest grin to Sam as he exclaims that we have a ride. She always loves his enthusiasm.
As Kohso states their plan, Elthana nods to her, "Thank you for your quick and logical understanding of the situation. This is acceptable." Not trusting herself to say more, she leaves the room with another nod, and goes to find Hector.
Muir listens to Elthana quickly accept and watches her leave the room to assumingly go after Hector or maybe get some fresh air "Yes well....What can you tell us about Shenoh? Are they the leader of the Djinn? Why them and not Akiin who we already know?"
"Sounds big... Let's hope we don't need to fight that," Sam inputs wisely.
Sam gently touches Elthana's shoulder as she turns to leave. "You ok?" he asks in a hush, watching after her as she departs.
"Err, Shenoh is the military leader of the Djinn... and I think closer," Sam answers Muir. Hoping he is right. It's not usual for him to have an answer the elephant-man doesn't so he hopes he gets to gloat a bit instead of looking a fool...
"I do think our ailments are all lingered out," Sam says, looking around at the others. They all seem about as hale and hearty as ever. "I mean I do have a little situation but so far no luck on figuring that one out so I think we're pretty much ready when you are."
Muir nods at Sam "Ah Military...That's not really my forte....Ok so we travel there tell them what is going on but what can we expect from them? Is there a way we should present ourselves? What should we know about them....differences from Akiin? Similarities? Are they logical or emotional? If we are to speak to them we need to prepare and plan...."
"Knock on the door, have Griff introduce us, explain everything we figured out, have Griff vouch for us.... And then play it by ear," Sam suggests. "You should be able to cover that last part, right?"
Muir snorts out of his trunk at Sam "Play it by ear...I...well....I....Yeeesss, it pains me to be underprepared however....I can play it by ear as you so eloquently put it, while there I can sniff out any trouble as well" Muir offers a joke of his own
Griff steps forward, "before we were leaving Akiin's isle he was speaking with Shenoh to help plot our course to Gojiin. Shenoh was angry that Akiin is not having properly trained navigators due to his laziness and past dependency on the portal. We could pose as a military unit from akiin, there to train as navigators. This ruse should be enough to be getting us audience with Shenoh.
I am not sure how far we can get simply on my merit as Akiin's general, I am currently absent, likely missing, presumed dead."
"I'm proof that death doesn't always mean the end," Sam snarks...
"Honestly, I don't love the idea of going in starting with a lie. Not when we are going to be trying to convince Shenoh to believe us and trust in what we claim to be true. Isn't there some way to communicate ahead of time? To contact Gojiin and get him to vouch for us? Prepare Shenoh for our arrival?" Sam asks.
Vin calms down when Kohso deescalates the Elthana situation, and Neferox seems to sense his change in demeanour once more and looks to him questioningly. Something passes between them and they both retreat away from the others a little bit, but stays in the room listening.
All the talk of Nivara spending 4000 years waiting, and not doing anything, bothered him. After all, something happened more recently.
"We still don't know what happened a hundred years ago, because Nivara was definitely up to something then. Something that went wrong", he says out of nowhere.
Muir stops for a moment to consider Vin's words. Odd that Muir didn't really put together a cause for this. Of course he's written things down but Vin saying the quiet part out loud jolted the gray cells of Muir's brain "interesting question...what did happen that caused Elthana to wake. Before coming to this world Nivara sought out a shrine of Nectyran back in our world. I wonder if she was able to commune with the lord of the Shadowfell, make a deal, and when she came here, she eventually made good on the deal. If she became undead beating death perhaps that's what caused Elthana to wake? These are all just guesses of course....The only ways to find out would be to retrace Nivara's steps in our world to here or.....go to her ourselves. Oh and I agree with Sam...no lies. There's an old saying that the truth will set you free. I try to live by these words"
"truth will be setting you free? Eh.. we can arrive without excuse, but we will be having explaining to do, I would not be loudly proclaiming that the Vox is dead and the Djiini are being manipulated to the junior ranks though, we would be ending up in a dungeon before being heard by any decision makers in the ranks." Griff postures.
"Your plan of arrival to Shenoh aside for now" serafina interjects. "I have a little information on nivara, just what hector has told me during my life...
The shrine to nectyran that nivara found was indeed on your plane. I do not know what she found there but she definitely received her vampiric curse there and gave it to her family to stave off their death indefinitely, but that wasn't enough for her, she could have stopped there. Could have settled down and lived through the ages with no fear of her own demise, but something that she learned in that shrine drove her beyond her original goals, that is why she came here, and why she sought out the Shadowfell... Lumithor wasn't too forthcoming with what they discussed. But something he said must have changed her goals once more from the Shadowfell and she set her sights on the Vox Tontritor, This may be mere speculation, but I think her main goal is more power, changing herself, corrupting herself further. I don't know how she would do it, but it likely stems from what she found in that shrine."
Vin listens but isn't convinced that more speculation is getting them anywhere.
"So how do we respond to the obvious questions that will be asked of us. How can we convince the Djinni we are speaking the truth? And how do we convince them that Lumithor told us the truth? It is one thing persuading folk that believe Lumithor is innocent, but quite another convincing people who have thought him guilty for generations. Would it not be better to see the evidence for ourselves first?", he suggests. "We could use my crystal ball to scry on this Astral Dreadnought. If it works, we should see enough of the zombie kobold army to be first hand proof".
"they may be finding it some kind of an affront, but could we not be convincing them or showing them a scry upon Vox herself? Does scrying working on undead beings? We could be testing on Sam first" Griff asks unsure
"Hey!" Sam calls out, offended. But not quite sure why...
"I'm not really undead," he says to try to explain. "I'm just cursed that way... Because, you know, I didn't like... die... You should have to die to be undead, if ya ask me. Just making a perfectly good living person undead is a kind of cheat, I say..."
That out of the way, Sam thinks a bit upon Vin's suggestion...
"Way I understands it, the more you know the target the more likely it works, yes? You ain't never met the Dreadnought or the undead kobolds, have you?" Sam asks. "You ain't never met the Vox? Is there a way to up your odds at all? Or maybe someone else would have a better shot? Griff, would this Shenoh have met Vox at all, you think? Cause it is the ones we are trying to convince that need to see what's happening... Not us."
Gewyn taps his chin in thought. "Truth be told, truth's not my forte. Throughout that meeting, I came up with like 10 different strategies, and truth was not a big component of any of them. If we had time, that would be different. We could plant ideas that subvert the current paradigm, influence who rises to power, and cultivate a slow shifting of ideas. But to cause an ideological about-face in one go... that's a tall order."
He thinks on it a bit more. "Griff, do you think there is a way I could get close to Shenoh secretly before we have an official meeting? Or perhaps we could scry upon her. If I can learn just a little about how she thinks and operates, we can tailor our approach. Perhaps as a military woman, she will respond to reason and logic better than Akiin. The threat of a rival military of undead may be too big to simply dismiss without independent investigation."
"as the story goes, Vox Tontritor made the Djiini from the original elemental spirits of this plane, so all Djiini met the Vox upon their manifestation or the change they went through, Shenoh scrying on Vox should work..." Serafina states, trying to help.
"Their doing it themselves would be more convincing than us doing it for them anyway," Sam notes. "Trick will be getting to Shenoh and convincing her to do so..."
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Muir coughs to bring attention to a point "Quite possibly Sam but, correct me if I am wrong elders, but Nivara is on a flying beast...I think it is more concealing said army and not transporting them. If she were to fly down with a gargantuan sized monster fielding an undead army, surely everyone would see causing alarm. She is missing some.....thing....." Muir stops there keeping his eyes affixed to the wall, making eye contact with no one "She has the army but not the power...."
"an Astral Dreadnaught, Lumithor called it a remnant of the time before realms, but I don't know what that means. Either way a creature capable of flight and big enough to be called massive even by an adult dragon." Serafina adds.
"Either way it is not her mobility that has stopped her." Kohso states, before continuing, attempting to draw a plan "I fear that understanding nivara's machinations may be beyond our understanding without a fuller picture. Though we have a plan, we will ready those who can fight here, prepare ourselves to be of help when the time comes. If you all can act as ambassadors of truth and inform Shenoh, then she will hopefully set precedent for the other djinni and we will take the whole realm to war with nivara. If you agree to this then take your time to prepare here, we can offer rations for the trip, you can rest and cure your lingering ailments from your fight against the corrupt in the caves, and then when you are ready. Find Ömertyr and take your message to Shenoh. Is this acceptable?"
Elthana gives the slightest grin to Sam as he exclaims that we have a ride. She always loves his enthusiasm.
As Kohso states their plan, Elthana nods to her, "Thank you for your quick and logical understanding of the situation. This is acceptable." Not trusting herself to say more, she leaves the room with another nod, and goes to find Hector.
Muir listens to Elthana quickly accept and watches her leave the room to assumingly go after Hector or maybe get some fresh air "Yes well....What can you tell us about Shenoh? Are they the leader of the Djinn? Why them and not Akiin who we already know?"
"Sounds big... Let's hope we don't need to fight that," Sam inputs wisely.
Sam gently touches Elthana's shoulder as she turns to leave. "You ok?" he asks in a hush, watching after her as she departs.
"Err, Shenoh is the military leader of the Djinn... and I think closer," Sam answers Muir. Hoping he is right. It's not usual for him to have an answer the elephant-man doesn't so he hopes he gets to gloat a bit instead of looking a fool...
"I do think our ailments are all lingered out," Sam says, looking around at the others. They all seem about as hale and hearty as ever. "I mean I do have a little situation but so far no luck on figuring that one out so I think we're pretty much ready when you are."
Muir nods at Sam "Ah Military...That's not really my forte....Ok so we travel there tell them what is going on but what can we expect from them? Is there a way we should present ourselves? What should we know about them....differences from Akiin? Similarities? Are they logical or emotional? If we are to speak to them we need to prepare and plan...."
"Knock on the door, have Griff introduce us, explain everything we figured out, have Griff vouch for us.... And then play it by ear," Sam suggests. "You should be able to cover that last part, right?"
Muir snorts out of his trunk at Sam "Play it by ear...I...well....I....Yeeesss, it pains me to be underprepared however....I can play it by ear as you so eloquently put it, while there I can sniff out any trouble as well" Muir offers a joke of his own
Griff steps forward, "before we were leaving Akiin's isle he was speaking with Shenoh to help plot our course to Gojiin. Shenoh was angry that Akiin is not having properly trained navigators due to his laziness and past dependency on the portal. We could pose as a military unit from akiin, there to train as navigators. This ruse should be enough to be getting us audience with Shenoh.
I am not sure how far we can get simply on my merit as Akiin's general, I am currently absent, likely missing, presumed dead."
"I'm proof that death doesn't always mean the end," Sam snarks...
"Honestly, I don't love the idea of going in starting with a lie. Not when we are going to be trying to convince Shenoh to believe us and trust in what we claim to be true. Isn't there some way to communicate ahead of time? To contact Gojiin and get him to vouch for us? Prepare Shenoh for our arrival?" Sam asks.
Vin calms down when Kohso deescalates the Elthana situation, and Neferox seems to sense his change in demeanour once more and looks to him questioningly. Something passes between them and they both retreat away from the others a little bit, but stays in the room listening.
All the talk of Nivara spending 4000 years waiting, and not doing anything, bothered him. After all, something happened more recently.
"We still don't know what happened a hundred years ago, because Nivara was definitely up to something then. Something that went wrong", he says out of nowhere.
Muir stops for a moment to consider Vin's words. Odd that Muir didn't really put together a cause for this. Of course he's written things down but Vin saying the quiet part out loud jolted the gray cells of Muir's brain "interesting question...what did happen that caused Elthana to wake. Before coming to this world Nivara sought out a shrine of Nectyran back in our world. I wonder if she was able to commune with the lord of the Shadowfell, make a deal, and when she came here, she eventually made good on the deal. If she became undead beating death perhaps that's what caused Elthana to wake? These are all just guesses of course....The only ways to find out would be to retrace Nivara's steps in our world to here or.....go to her ourselves. Oh and I agree with Sam...no lies. There's an old saying that the truth will set you free. I try to live by these words"
"truth will be setting you free? Eh.. we can arrive without excuse, but we will be having explaining to do, I would not be loudly proclaiming that the Vox is dead and the Djiini are being manipulated to the junior ranks though, we would be ending up in a dungeon before being heard by any decision makers in the ranks." Griff postures.
"Your plan of arrival to Shenoh aside for now" serafina interjects. "I have a little information on nivara, just what hector has told me during my life...
The shrine to nectyran that nivara found was indeed on your plane. I do not know what she found there but she definitely received her vampiric curse there and gave it to her family to stave off their death indefinitely, but that wasn't enough for her, she could have stopped there. Could have settled down and lived through the ages with no fear of her own demise, but something that she learned in that shrine drove her beyond her original goals, that is why she came here, and why she sought out the Shadowfell... Lumithor wasn't too forthcoming with what they discussed. But something he said must have changed her goals once more from the Shadowfell and she set her sights on the Vox Tontritor, This may be mere speculation, but I think her main goal is more power, changing herself, corrupting herself further. I don't know how she would do it, but it likely stems from what she found in that shrine."
Vin listens but isn't convinced that more speculation is getting them anywhere.
"So how do we respond to the obvious questions that will be asked of us. How can we convince the Djinni we are speaking the truth? And how do we convince them that Lumithor told us the truth? It is one thing persuading folk that believe Lumithor is innocent, but quite another convincing people who have thought him guilty for generations. Would it not be better to see the evidence for ourselves first?", he suggests. "We could use my crystal ball to scry on this Astral Dreadnought. If it works, we should see enough of the zombie kobold army to be first hand proof".
"they may be finding it some kind of an affront, but could we not be convincing them or showing them a scry upon Vox herself? Does scrying working on undead beings? We could be testing on Sam first" Griff asks unsure
"Hey!" Sam calls out, offended. But not quite sure why...
"I'm not really undead," he says to try to explain. "I'm just cursed that way... Because, you know, I didn't like... die... You should have to die to be undead, if ya ask me. Just making a perfectly good living person undead is a kind of cheat, I say..."
That out of the way, Sam thinks a bit upon Vin's suggestion...
"Way I understands it, the more you know the target the more likely it works, yes? You ain't never met the Dreadnought or the undead kobolds, have you?" Sam asks. "You ain't never met the Vox? Is there a way to up your odds at all? Or maybe someone else would have a better shot? Griff, would this Shenoh have met Vox at all, you think? Cause it is the ones we are trying to convince that need to see what's happening... Not us."
Muir surprised by Sam's knowledge of scrying. Muir can't help but wonder if Sam's scried or seen it done before.
Gewyn taps his chin in thought. "Truth be told, truth's not my forte. Throughout that meeting, I came up with like 10 different strategies, and truth was not a big component of any of them. If we had time, that would be different. We could plant ideas that subvert the current paradigm, influence who rises to power, and cultivate a slow shifting of ideas. But to cause an ideological about-face in one go... that's a tall order."
He thinks on it a bit more. "Griff, do you think there is a way I could get close to Shenoh secretly before we have an official meeting? Or perhaps we could scry upon her. If I can learn just a little about how she thinks and operates, we can tailor our approach. Perhaps as a military woman, she will respond to reason and logic better than Akiin. The threat of a rival military of undead may be too big to simply dismiss without independent investigation."
"as the story goes, Vox Tontritor made the Djiini from the original elemental spirits of this plane, so all Djiini met the Vox upon their manifestation or the change they went through, Shenoh scrying on Vox should work..." Serafina states, trying to help.
"Their doing it themselves would be more convincing than us doing it for them anyway," Sam notes. "Trick will be getting to Shenoh and convincing her to do so..."