My warlock player has a Genie Patron and he has access to the Bottled Respite feature, where you can enter your Genie Vessel, which is an extradimensional space. If he also has a bag of holding, does he need to leave the bag of holding outside the Vessel? Thanks.
My warlock player has a Genie Patron and he has access to the Bottled Respite feature, where you can enter your Genie Vessel, which is an extradimensional space. If he also has a bag of holding, does he need to leave the bag of holding outside the Vessel? Thanks.
A Bag of Holding does not have generic rules for exploding in every extradimensional space, which is why it's not normally a problem to take one into a rope trick. Your bag should be fine inside your vessel unless your DM rules it's similar to a handy haversack or portable hole. Differences include being only available via subclass feature, which is very significant: one creature can credibly stuff a bag of holding into a bag of holding, but it's impossible for a single creature to stuff a genielock vessel into a genielock vessel.
My warlock player has a Genie Patron and he has access to the Bottled Respite feature, where you can enter your Genie Vessel, which is an extradimensional space. If he also has a bag of holding, does he need to leave the bag of holding outside the Vessel? Thanks.
A Bag of Holding does not have generic rules for exploding in every extradimensional space, which is why it's not normally a problem to take one into a rope trick. Your bag should be fine inside your vessel.
This.
There are only 3 extra dimensional space items (I think) that can't be stored in each other. And the rule doesn't apply to anything else.
My warlock player has a Genie Patron and he has access to the Bottled Respite feature, where you can enter your Genie Vessel, which is an extradimensional space. If he also has a bag of holding, does he need to leave the bag of holding outside the Vessel? Thanks.
A Bag of Holding does not have generic rules for exploding in every extradimensional space, which is why it's not normally a problem to take one into a rope trick. Your bag should be fine inside your vessel.
My warlock player has a Genie Patron and he has access to the Bottled Respite feature, where you can enter your Genie Vessel, which is an extradimensional space. If he also has a bag of holding, does he need to leave the bag of holding outside the Vessel? Thanks.
A Bag of Holding does not have generic rules for exploding in every extradimensional space, which is why it's not normally a problem to take one into a rope trick. Your bag should be fine inside your vessel.
This.
There are only 3 extra dimensional space items (I think) that can't be stored in each other. And the rule doesn't apply to anything else.
There are only 3 extra dimensional space items (I think) that can't be stored in each other. And the rule doesn't apply to anything else.
Other than the words "or similar item" in each of the three item descriptions.
Right other than that.
So spells, and class features are safe.
I disagree, and I'm playing a Genie Warlock. The Genie's Vessel is an item and it creates an Extradimensional Space. That meets the wording of a Bag of Holding to me.
There are only 3 extra dimensional space items (I think) that can't be stored in each other. And the rule doesn't apply to anything else.
Other than the words "or similar item" in each of the three item descriptions.
Right other than that.
So spells, and class features are safe.
The class feature is literally an item that creates an extradimensional space :)
But I don't think it was designed with that restriction in mind. I also don't think it's a particularly meaningful distinction for a DM to enforce, unless the warlock just wants a challenge for story purposes.
I guess it depends on if you consider bottled respite to be a class feature that only the warlock can do or a magic item property that anyone holding the vessel can do.
You can only use Bottled Respite as the warlock. The warlock can take others along, but when the warlock leaves (or chooses to do so before leaving with a bonus action with no save), everyone gets kicked out of the vessel.
Also, the Genie Vessel is a space that has a breathable environment. The other magical items similiar to Bag of Holding aren't limited to one use per long rest, can be opened by anyone, aren't a spellcasting focus, are hostile to long term visitors (not breathable after 10 minutes), don't require any innate attunement (like a class feature does), and are fabric in make. Also "Your patron gifts you a magical vessel that grants you a measure of the genie’s power." Aka, the Genie Vessel doesn't create the space, the connection to the genie's magic does.
Which is why I'd personally rule that Bottled Respite (a class feature) - is significantly different to the Bag of Holding. If it was intended to impact the Bag of Holding, the class feature would include a decription (like the other items that destroy each other when used in combination all have in common) that an interaction with a Bag of Holding or similiar items (handy haversack, portable hole) destroys both and causes a gate to the Astral Plane to open.
That said, if you want to rule otherwise, understand it could be potentially used as a strategy in a large boss fight (only need to find bags of holding since the genie vessel regenerates), and maybe have an artificer (or artificer levels) to create bags of holding (which they are limited in only creating one at a time, but it's enough for this strategy to work).
There are only 3 extra dimensional space items (I think) that can't be stored in each other. And the rule doesn't apply to anything else.
Other than the words "or similar item" in each of the three item descriptions.
Right other than that.
So spells, and class features are safe.
The class feature is literally an item that creates an extradimensional space :)
Arguably it doesn't *create* one, as the text in Bag of Holding specifies, but just *is* one. It's magical when you get it at level 1, and the level 6 feature doesn't give it the ability to have this extradimensional space -- it gives *you* the ability to *access* the space.
I don't really buy this myself, but I guess it holds up.
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My warlock player has a Genie Patron and he has access to the Bottled Respite feature, where you can enter your Genie Vessel, which is an extradimensional space. If he also has a bag of holding, does he need to leave the bag of holding outside the Vessel? Thanks.
You could certainly make the case that the extradimensional space within the vessel would be incompatible with the bag of holding.
"Not all those who wander are lost"
A Bag of Holding does not have generic rules for exploding in every extradimensional space, which is why it's not normally a problem to take one into a rope trick. Your bag should be fine inside your vessel unless your DM rules it's similar to a handy haversack or portable hole. Differences include being only available via subclass feature, which is very significant: one creature can credibly stuff a bag of holding into a bag of holding, but it's impossible for a single creature to stuff a genielock vessel into a genielock vessel.
This.
There are only 3 extra dimensional space items (I think) that can't be stored in each other. And the rule doesn't apply to anything else.
Thanks!
Other than the words "or similar item" in each of the three item descriptions.
Right other than that.
So spells, and class features are safe.
I disagree, and I'm playing a Genie Warlock. The Genie's Vessel is an item and it creates an Extradimensional Space. That meets the wording of a Bag of Holding to me.
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The class feature is literally an item that creates an extradimensional space :)
But I don't think it was designed with that restriction in mind. I also don't think it's a particularly meaningful distinction for a DM to enforce, unless the warlock just wants a challenge for story purposes.
"Not all those who wander are lost"
I guess it depends on if you consider bottled respite to be a class feature that only the warlock can do or a magic item property that anyone holding the vessel can do.
You can only use Bottled Respite as the warlock. The warlock can take others along, but when the warlock leaves (or chooses to do so before leaving with a bonus action with no save), everyone gets kicked out of the vessel.
Also, the Genie Vessel is a space that has a breathable environment. The other magical items similiar to Bag of Holding aren't limited to one use per long rest, can be opened by anyone, aren't a spellcasting focus, are hostile to long term visitors (not breathable after 10 minutes), don't require any innate attunement (like a class feature does), and are fabric in make. Also "Your patron gifts you a magical vessel that grants you a measure of the genie’s power." Aka, the Genie Vessel doesn't create the space, the connection to the genie's magic does.
Which is why I'd personally rule that Bottled Respite (a class feature) - is significantly different to the Bag of Holding. If it was intended to impact the Bag of Holding, the class feature would include a decription (like the other items that destroy each other when used in combination all have in common) that an interaction with a Bag of Holding or similiar items (handy haversack, portable hole) destroys both and causes a gate to the Astral Plane to open.
That said, if you want to rule otherwise, understand it could be potentially used as a strategy in a large boss fight (only need to find bags of holding since the genie vessel regenerates), and maybe have an artificer (or artificer levels) to create bags of holding (which they are limited in only creating one at a time, but it's enough for this strategy to work).
Bottled Respite is more like Magnificent Mansion than a Bag of Holding in my opinion.
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Arguably it doesn't *create* one, as the text in Bag of Holding specifies, but just *is* one. It's magical when you get it at level 1, and the level 6 feature doesn't give it the ability to have this extradimensional space -- it gives *you* the ability to *access* the space.
I don't really buy this myself, but I guess it holds up.